Alright Already, when Is Sonar being released!!

[User 905133]

2 hours ago, Bapu said:

I'm a neophyte when it comes to EDM, please explain what are the things that make a  DAW more EDM friendly.

I don't make EDM, but I thought it made extensive use of samples.  If so, I'd think EDM producers would like to have a built-in, fully-integrated sampler complete with all sorts of sample manipulation tools including a variety of looping functions.

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From hip-hop to EDM, many of the world's most famous music producers have been using loops and samples to create their tracks for decades. 

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EDM uses samples of many sounds from drums to vocals to everyday sounds. 

 

[SteveStrummerUK]

Sonar the Hedgehog?

[Bapu]

3 minutes ago, SteveStrummerUK said:

Sonar the Hedgehog?

Hedwig and the Angry Sonar

[Bapu]

1 hour ago, Pragi said:

Here we go :

Ableton.

Thank you for the smallest picture of the internet but from what I can tell overall that looks, in it's own way, similar to CbB TV in reverse order from left to right. Am I wrong?  

[Pragi]

11 hours ago, Bapu said:

Thank you for the smallest picture of the internet but from what I can tell overall that looks, in it's own way, similar to CbB TV in reverse order from left to right. Am I wrong?  

No, the picture is from the "beginners guide for Ableton:

https://integraudio.com/ableton-10-live-for-beginners/

And no, no A minor bass  scale in it.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Pragi

[Starship Krupa]

On 9/2/2023 at 12:06 AM, Canopus said:

Maybe the Cakewalk bashing should be turned down a bit?

Were you referring to something someone said in this topic?

I don't see any bashing going on.

If you're referring to my opinion that Cakewalk Sonar is going to be, feature-wise, in the under $99 leagues, I don't think that's "bashing" at all. I certainly didn't mean it as such.

3 hours ago, Bapu said:

I'm a neophyte when it comes to EDM, please explain what are the things that make a  DAW more EDM friendly.

As a producer of electronic music, I'd like to have an integrated sampler instrument. I'd also like for the process of setting the program up for drum synth programming to be smoother. I've ranted about it multiple times in the past: the process of setting up the Piano Roll View to display drum instrument names is needlessly obscure and clumsy.

An Ableton-style clip launcher for that style of performance/composing is necessary. Matrix View exists, but development seems to have stopped a little short of being finished. It does most of the things a clip launcher panel should do, except that you can't record directly into cells. Matrix is a solid foundation, it just needs a little bit of finishing off. More integration with Track View.

As an example of the kind of "integration" I'm talking about, in regard to both the sampler and Matrix View, there should be things like being able to select a region of audio in Track View, right-clicking, and having the option to send the selected audio to a Matrix cell or sampler slot.

Another feature that needs just a little bit more polish is the built-in arpeggiator. It's already great, and one of the coolest Cakewalk features, but there's no facility for programming one's own patterns. It's restricted to only the presets that come with it (and the "Alesion" set that's floating around). I guess Project 5 could program new arp patterns, but it's not around any more.

[Grem]

47 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

but there's no facility for programming one's own patterns.

Have you never worked with the Step Sequencer?

I believe more could be done to improve that tool, but it is very useful for programing your own patterns.  

[Grem]

9 minutes ago, Grem said:

I believe more could be done to improve that tool, but it is very useful for programing your own patterns.  

This is another one of the features that came out and has tons of potential, such as the Matrix View. Smoothing out some of the rough edges would make these tools into must have items for all genre's of music

Edited September 4, 2023 by Grem

[paulo]

4 hours ago, Bapu said:

I'm a neophyte when it comes to EDM, please explain what are the things that make a  DAW more EDM friendly.

Talent button.

Wooshy things.

 

 

 

[pulsewalk]

5 hours ago, Bapu said:

I'm a neophyte when it comes to EDM, please explain what are the things that make a  DAW more EDM friendly.

Well, there are actually many things, but some are the way to side chain which is easier to do in some DAWs, and more difficult in some, it can be included VSTi's / VST FX. For example, there's no integrated VA in Cakewalk, not even the most basic one afaik.

Some integrated instruments in Cakewalk are the Virtual Drum Kit, Virtual Bass Guitar, Virtual Electric Piano and Virtual Strings. These are not quite EDM oriented even though they may be used in EDM sometimes or even often to a certain small degree.

More EDM oriented DAW's like Logic for example, comes with at least one really good integrated VA. The ES2 in Logic is fantastic by the way.

As a person working with all kinds of Sequencers/DAW's (at least to some degree) since the 90's, I can't see how Cakewalk would be EDM oriented.

However, since I'm so used to Cakewalk, I use it anyway. I like the workflow. There's a few EDM producers that use Cakewalk, but they're indeed not many.

Logic, Ableton, FL Studio are on the other hand all huge DAWs among the most known EDM producers in the world.

There's also other stuff that has been mentioned here, which makes it easier to work with loops and such. etc.

Edited September 4, 2023 by pulsewalk

[craigb]

6 hours ago, Bapu said:

I'm a neophyte when it comes to EDM, please explain what are the things that make a  DAW more EDM friendly.

Psychedelics? ?

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[Starship Krupa]

4 hours ago, Grem said:

Have you never worked with the Step Sequencer?

I believe more could be done to improve that tool, but it is very useful for programing your own patterns.  

What I meant was that there's no way to program one's own arpeggiator patterns for the built-in arpeggiator.

Yes, the Step Sequencer is great, and has some really cool hidden features having to do with randomization that I bet few people who use it know about. I only found them while working on themes. You can change the probability that  a given note will sound in a cycle, which can make for pleasing variations.

Which tool were you referring to that you think could be improved? And how could it be improved?

[Heath Row]

6 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

 but development seems to have stopped a little short of being finished. 

it just needs a little bit of finishing off.

but, but, but, that's the Cakewalk way. ?

I know you are only new here (relatively speaking) joining the old forums around the time of the great crash and the beginning of the ensuing uprising, I've been around since the dawn of time itself.

Edited September 5, 2023 by heath row

[Starship Krupa]

5 minutes ago, heath row said:

but, but, but, that's the Cakewalk way. ?

I know you are only new here (relatively speaking) joining the old forums around the time of the great crash and the beginning of the ensuing uprising, I've been here since the dawn of time itself.

Now, that's kinda bash-y. ?

I suspect that pre-BandLab, SONAR suffered (as many programs do) from feature/license chasing at the expense of polishing what was already there.

Cool new feature, everyone buy your upgrade licenses! But then the cool new feature (and many existing bugs) never quite gets finished as the team gets assigned with the task of implementing the next big feature.

I think that in the past 5 1/2 years, Cakewalk has benefited greatly from not having to chase upgrade licenses. The code is in the best shape it's ever been. However, I also think that it's fallen behind somewhat as far as adding new features.

Only two major ones in 5 years? Yes, great features, and of course all of the smaller ease-of-use features are a longtime user's dream, but the other DAW's have been taking bigger steps in regard to features.

I'm not griping, I love using the software and I have much respect for BandLab and the Cakewalk developers.

It has been interesting to see where the free subscription model took Cakewalk (and I think the results were wonderful), and it will be interesting to see where the return to a payware model will take it in the future.

BandLab claims 2,000,000 CbB users. I don't know how they're counting, if that's people who installed it or people who continue to use it (which they get updated stats on due to the need to refresh the license). I hope it's the latter.

Other DAW's are still just getting around to adding features that Cakewalk had many years ago (Studio One just implemented their version of Workspaces and Pro Tools just got a clip launcher). I'd like to see Cakewalk return the compliment. ?

[mettelus]

1 hour ago, heath row said:

I've been around since the dawn of time itself.

that is good!

[Heath Row]

2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Now, that's kinda bash-y. ?

No, more like fact-y, or perhaps 'accusator-y' thought, at least in certain groups of users eyes, you don't have to travel back to far to find evidence of users 'discussing' the issue , and no, I'm not going to find it for you, although CCC and Rapture Pro etc 'might' be good places to start if one wanted to find examples of that particular trait on display,  and going back further in time things like the Matrix etc anyway.

as for the 2,000,000 CbB users, perhaps that is that other online app DAW thingy they are talking about, I have seen it discussed and that seemed to be the general thought, but anyway (2)

I hope it works out for them and the users, personally I don't think I'll ever come back, been gone for 8+ years now, but it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds, could make for good entertainment, especially if you get some of those 'Lifetime Updaters' that have a certain feeling of entitlement, could be fun   I purchased the Lifetime Update deal even though I had already departed, would have been a good deal if I ever came back, . . . and if it lasted longer than the blink of an eye lol, but we wont talk about that anyway (3)

Interesting to see that new 'Next' thing when it drops, see what it's all about. anyway (4) I'm off.

Edited September 5, 2023 by heath row

[User 905133]

9 hours ago, heath row said:

No, more like fact-y, or perhaps 'accusator-y' thought, at least in certain groups of users eyes, you don't have to travel back to far to find evidence of users 'discussing' the issue , and no, I'm not going to find it for you, although CCC and Rapture Pro etc 'might' be good places to start if one wanted to find examples of that particular trait on display,  and going back further in time things like the Matrix etc anyway.

as for the 2,000,000 CbB users, perhaps that is that other online app DAW thingy they are talking about, I have seen it discussed and that seemed to be the general thought, but anyway (2)

I hope it works out for them and the users, personally I don't think I'll ever come back, been gone for 8+ years now, but it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds, could make for good entertainment, especially if you get some of those 'Lifetime Updaters' that have a certain feeling of entitlement, could be fun   I purchased the Lifetime Update deal even though I had already departed, would have been a good deal if I ever came back, . . . and if it lasted longer than the blink of an eye lol, but we wont talk about that anyway (3)

Interesting to see that new 'Next' thing when it drops, see what it's all about. anyway (4) I'm off.

 

                    WTF?

I really hate it when people rant just to say, "I'm done with Cakewalk."  I never understood why people don't just leave. It's been said that misery loves company, but honestly get on with your life and stop trying to bludgeon others.

You have a choice to use any software or to not use it.  It's really that simple. 

As for the the Lifetime Updates Gibson offered, I distinctly remember asking myself, "Who's lifetime?" based on all the "End of Life" notifications I had received for various products I had purchased. I don't feel Bandlad owes people anything more over the Gibson "money grab."

Bandlab has generously provided free updates with some amazing new features and many improvements and bug fixes for five years.

Please just move on. Stop inflicting your misery on others.

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 . . . personally I don't think I'll ever come back, been gone for 8+ years now, but it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds, could make for good entertainment,

  JMO: People who plan their future so they can do revenge should find better things to do with their lives.

Edited September 5, 2023 by User 905133
fixed typo

[Grem]

17 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

What I meant was that there's no way to program one's own arpeggiator patterns for the built-in arpeggiator.

Yes, I see, and understand that now. 

17 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Which tool were you referring to that you think could be improved? And how could it be improved?

Matrix View, more integration with the track view. It has been a while since I used it, and Craig Anderton had a tutorial on it, but I still never got "into" it. If it was easier to use, I can see the potential in it for all genre's of music. 

Step Squencer, as you said, one of it's hidden features is that randomization of notes. The velocity setting of the notes, being able to split a note, and the timing of a note. All these little things are not that known. I found out a lot about them out of trial and error.

Session Drummer was a really good sampler. It would not have taken much to turn it's UI from a Drum oriented sampler to a General Purpose Intergrated Sampler/ROMpler.

I am at work and not able to open CW to remind myself of the things I think would help improve CW!!

Edited September 5, 2023 by Grem

[craigb]

[Heath Row]

11 hours ago, User 905133 said:

 

                    WTF?

I really hate it when people rant just to say, "I'm done with Cakewalk."  I never understood why people don't just leave. It's been said that misery loves company, but honestly get on with your life and stop trying to bludgeon others.

You have a choice to use any software or to not use it.  It's really that simple. 

As for the the Lifetime Updates Gibson offered, I distinctly remember asking myself, "Who's lifetime?" based on all the "End of Life" notifications I had received for various products I had purchased. I don't feel Bandlad owes people anything more over the Gibson "money grab."

Bandlab has generously provided free updates with some amazing new features and many improvements and bug fixes for five years.

Please just move on. Stop inflicting your misery on others.

  JMO: People who plan their future so they can do revenge should find better things to do with their lives.

Off our meds today are we? ?