Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: This. Horses for courses. Linux is great at what it does best, which is hosting servers, enabling people to get extra life out of older hardware, and provide a viable productivity desktop for people and organizations who wish to save money on OS licenses. It also provides an alternative for users who don't care for Microsoft's and Apple's policies and behavior. The primary function of a company is to make money. If they can't make enough profit from some activity (even indirectly), they will either not engage in that activity or cease to engage in it. Witness the impending freeze of freeware CbB and advent of payware Cakewalk Sonar. The "building brand awareness" era was great, but about to come to an end. The 5-year introductory offer. ? It's difficult for audio software companies to make money on Linux because A, there are so very few people using it for audio, and B, frankly, Linux users are used to getting most of their software for free. The potential customers are LOUD, but few. I would pay for any software I need on Linux, I recently bought pianoteq which is not cheap, and Reaper, and if Cakewalk was available I would pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, User 905133 said: My bad. I have a lifelong habit of being late to spot malevolent intent. I am waiting on a reply from the site management team, then I will be gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: I believe you meant to say: ? Really, folks, look at this guy's content (as well has his change of handle). The only places he's "contributed" to are the "Delusional Linux" topic in Coffee House and here. The "is that all you got," the change of handle, the repeated assertions that he's "out of here" yet always coming back, it's obvious. He's a skillful troll, and it's been fun to play Poke The Troll with him, but he's just getting a kick out of the attention and how much he can bait us. And sincerely, Mr. Linux Advocates Are The Worst, my (red) hat is off to you. You played the 90's "Linux Loony" to a T. It was fun to revisit my younger days. ? Happy to help, but your wrong, typical name caller, am no troll. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, msmcleod said: I think @Lord Tim's post with the baker's analogy and @azslow3's post sum the situation up quite nicely. Cakewalk by BandLab/SONAR are heavily reliant on the Windows operating system, and are extremely "Windows Compliant" in that regard. That's why much older versions of SONAR will work on more modern versions of Windows, largely without issue. This is mostly due to historical reasons. Cakewalk/SONAR has always been based on Microsoft technologies - first on DOS, and then on Windows. It leverages as much as it can from the operating system to make it perform well, which was very much needed on the slow hardware of the past. The SONAR for Mac project (which was before my time as a staff member) looked into ways at getting it to run on a Mac with help from the guys at Codeweavers. It did pretty well to be honest, but there were a bunch of performance issues and plugin support was a nightmare. To cut a long story short, to make it work well would have taken too long to develop, and cost far too much - something Gibson at the time was not prepared to fund. As @azslow3 has mentioned, various versions of SONAR have run on Linux in the past under Wine (in fact our CTO, Noel was on the Wine team for a number of years), and again this was due to the tight integration with Windows, enabling Wine to handle the various calls correctly. Plugin support and performance were yet again the main issues though, and the same time/cost issues apply to making it a Linux native app. I developed on / managed developers working soley on Linux for 11 years prior to joining the Cakewalk team, and for many years prior to that had to work with both Windows and Linux. I personally think it's an awesome operating system, but not for running a DAW on (in fact, I've pretty much Linux for everything apart from running a DAW). It's not that it's not capable - it certainly is - but lack of professional driver support and lack of commercial plugin support make it a non-starter for the majority of users. Great explanation, thanks. I can tell there will be no Cakewalk for linux coming, but if Reaper and Waveform can run on Linux and do so very well, then Linux can not be said to be good for lots of things but not for a DAW, when clearly it can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, pwalpwal said: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share /hth Your link is malformed, and according to wikipedia 42% of web devices use the linux kernel, that does not include embeded devices or games consoles, the word computer seems to have a different meaning to Cakewalk fans. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 7:09 AM, Bruno de Souza Lino said: maybe a Linux version would be a nice differential which could potentially gather a different type of cust.... No, god, no, please, anything but that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Your link is malformed It works just fine on my system. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I am still waiting for the BeOS version of Cakewalk 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I'm not gonna be a happy camper until we see Cakewalk running as a Reason RE on Minix3. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Pfft. Where's the Comnodore 64 version, eh? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 where is the voice controlled CbB on Plan9 OS? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: It works just fine on my system. ? Am running Linux, that must me whats wrong. Edited June 23, 2023 by Linux Daws Are The Best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Am running Linux, that must me whats wrong. I'm running Firefox under Windows and it works perfectly for me. Your issue might be a thing with Brave: https://community.brave.com/t/dns-probe-possible-cant-access-any-sites/400496 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share Works fine here on Windows 10 under Firefox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Canopus said: Your issue might be a thing with Brave: Brave on Windows 10 over here. Works a treat. Maybe Linux systems have a feature that blocks hard information about the OS' market share. That would explain a LOT. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 "Most computers." "42% of web devices." Etc, etc. This is a prime example of what my wife calls "technical truth." In other words, paltering. While technically true that smartphones, servers, IOT devices and gaming consoles are in fact computers, using that definition is misleading and in the case of our religious zealot OP, intentionally so. But it really isn't an answer that facilitates clear communication. Most people, when you say "computer," call to mind a box sitting on your desk with a monitor and keyboard attached to it; a desktop or laptop PC. Even those who know that their smartphone and the PCM (powertrain control module) in their car are also technically computers. So, in the real world this is what the figures really look like: Even for those who "know better." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) i had to look it up in order to eschew obfuscation: VERB paltering (present participle) equivocate or prevaricate in action or speech: "if you palter or double in your answers, I will have thee hung alive in an iron chain" Edited June 23, 2023 by Glenn Stanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I'm using it in the more modern sense of "misleading with truthful statements." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Although I know it's useless to use facts and logic to change an opinion that wasn't formed using facts and logic, let's check out how Linux has fared in the desktop market in the past 5 years. In Jan 2018, Linux had a 1.69% share of the market. OSX had 12.8%, and Windows 82.68% In Jan 2023 Linux had a 2.91% share, OSX had 15.33%, and Windows 74.14% So in the past 5 years, Linux has gained 1.22%, OSX a (surprising, way to go Apple) 2.53% gain, and Windows has dropped 8.54% Not exactly a tidal wave. Speaking of which, one of the things I've noticed about people with irrational beliefs is that they often preach that there is an impending cataclysmic event or shift of some kind that will elevate those who think and act as they do to a superior status. This will be their reward for whatever deprivations they are suffering now (with Linux loonies, the deprivation is usually lack of software choices and hardware support). "You'll see! Just wait! You won't be laughing 5 years from now!" The thing is, it's trivial. If, 5 years from now there's been some breakthrough that actually does make Linux a superior platform (and that would need to include core audio functionality similar to Microsoft's and Apple's), and software vendors are supporting it as well as they do Windows, then there could be a reason to switch. I use my computers to make music, browse the web, and play games. When they no longer do that to my satisfaction, I change them. By adding storage, changing to a more powerful CPU or graphics card, switching to different software to perform those functions, a different audio interface, or whatever. When there is a compelling reason. Not one that I fantasize about happening in the future, but WHEN it's necessary. All the pieces are subject to change, including the OS if one more suited to my tasks comes along. Hasn't yet. I'm just not that emotionally attached to computer parts, including the software. I have some odd quirks about what I use; I still prefer Firewire, so I bought a new-in-box Focusrite Saffire Pro 40. I don't annoy people with how much "better" my interface is because Firewire 400 is an asynchronous bus-mastered protocol and USB 2.0 is serial, and nobody wags their finger at me or tries to convince me that soon Microsoft will end support for Firewire on Windows so I better drop it and get a USB one. I still have an optical drive and use it, nobody chides me about CD's being obsolete. Who even cares about this crap? This OS wars thing is so 90's. Use what you use and leave others to do their thing. As much as I'd love to have Garage Band available on Windows so that I could recommend it to DAW beginner friends, I don't go to Garage Band forums and drone about how I think Apple should make a Windows version and tell the people that they should switch to Windows before Apple forces their systems into obsolescence. I'd love to have iMessage on my Windows desktop like I do on my Mac. But I can't, and I understand why. No whining, no weenie-waving. I just use the stuff I do have and get on with it. I've also learned that fanatics are much more bothered by indifference than they are opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Byron Dickens said: "Most computers." "42% of web devices." Etc, etc. This is a prime example of what my wife calls "technical truth." In other words, paltering. While technically true that smartphones, servers, IOT devices and gaming consoles are in fact computers, using that definition is misleading and in the case of our religious zealot OP, intentionally so. But it really isn't an answer that facilitates clear communication. Most people, when you say "computer," call to mind a box sitting on your desk with a monitor and keyboard attached to it; a desktop or laptop PC. Even those who know that their smartphone and the PCM (powertrain control module) in their car are also technically computers. So, in the real world this is what the figures really look like: Even for those who "know better." Based on these compelling statistics, screw Linux. Where's the FreeBSD version of Cakewalk? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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