Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sakini said: Ok linux is very good for some things(I am also a Linux user since many years) but linux for just linux has no sense. If you want to make music you will also need compatible softwares, plugins, audio interface etc , computer technology is not the only thing to take into account., maybe it is a vicious circle but if linux is not used by a lot of people daw/plugins company will not have to spend a lot of money for few people. Will you be ok to pay a linux cakewalk version 2 to 3 times more expensive to to make it profitable ? Idem for plugins , hardware ? Hi Sakini. Linux has come a long way, there is other Daws to run on it, other plugins, and I just buy an audio interface that works in both Linux, its easy now. As long as what you are using works for you, that's all that matters. I would just like to see Cakewalk run on Linux, it won't happen given all the opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: The sad part about that particular statement is that if the current Windows offerings are terrible, then every single company which also makes Linux native software and plugins are also terrible because they all have Windows versions. Even Ardour has a Windows version. Why do they have windows version though, because people are tied into windows, it would be stupid not to have them. People are like sheep, they follow, I thought Cakewalk could be a leader, I know and admit am wrong, I was told it before I posted here, had to experience it to be sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: Who are they? Microsoft? Microsoft is a software company. If you're talking about modern CPUs running a MINIX 3 server on lower hardware rings...Do you know how complex modern CPUs are? You can almost count on the fingers of your hands the amount of people that truly understand hardware at component level and those people are too busy being well paid by companies to do actual work as opposed to silly little mind games like "spy chips." Disabling hybrid shutdown and hibernation usually solves 100% of those issues but at the cost of taking a bit longer to bring the computer back up from a cold boot or full hibernate. As long as those are concrete examples, unlike your last bit of text... And I'm sure the whole Linux community must be proud of the disservice you're doing to them. No mind games, other than the one your in, never mentioned Minix server either, you have lost the plot. And no, I am for linux, there are many on here who are not, they are doing the disservice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 How do you know that someone you just met uses Linux? He's already told you 15 times how superior it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Whinbush said: Iinux is on most of the computers on the planet, not windows, Bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, Byron Dickens said: Bullshit. Just now, Byron Dickens said: Bullshit. No, you need to do some research. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said: How do you know that someone you just met uses Linux? He's already told you 15 times how superior it is. Who are you referring to, happy to see you can count. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Whinbush said: Iinux is on most of the computers on the planet, not windows C'mon, now I know you're roleplaying. That's another one from the Linux moonie playbook: make an unsupported claim that, even if true, would have no bearing on the "discussion." Sure, the fact that NASA uses Linux for some things proves that it's good for audio work! Speaking of NASA, do you know what audio software they used when studying and cleaning up the audio from Neil Armstrong's "One small step" speech? GoldWave for Windows. Apparently when NASA has audio work to do, they use systems other than their Linux ones. But really, who gives a crap what NASA or anyone else uses? 19 minutes ago, Whinbush said: I know and admit am wrong, I was told it before I posted here, had to experience it to be sure. So someone warned you away from posting a Linux beg on this forum and you did it anyway? Are most other Linux users as smart as you? I am about 75% convinced that your schtick is a put-on. Is this for a class you're taking or just your own amusement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: C'mon, now I know you're roleplaying. That's another one from the Linux moonie playbook: make an unsupported claim that, even if true, would have no bearing on the "discussion." Sure, the fact that NASA uses Linux for some things proves that it's good for audio work! Speaking of NASA, do you know what audio software they used when studying and cleaning up the audio from Neil Armstrong's "One small step" speech? GoldWave for Windows. Apparently when NASA has audio work to do, they use systems other than their Linux ones. But really, who gives a crap what NASA or anyone else uses? So someone warned you away from posting a Linux beg on this forum and you did it anyway? Are most other Linux users as smart as you? I am about 75% convinced that your schtick is a put-on. Is this for a class you're taking or just your own amusement? Don't be confused, I was told this place was closed to Linux, being an optimist I had to check this out, they were right. You all deserve windows, keep on using it. And NASA were using windows 98 when the rest of the ms fan club had moved on, why, because of bugs and instability creeping in. And as for the man on the moon movie, another prime example of people falling for big tech, surly they wouldn't lie or mislead anyone. Edited June 22, 2023 by Linux Daws Are The Best 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 Anyway, the door is closed, no Cakewalk for Linux. Moving on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakini Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) I repeat Linux is very good for certain uses. Especially for servers. But does that mean that there is a large ecosystem for music around Linux? Without ideology, you have to look at reality as it is. How many professional studios use Linux for production?. The fact that Linux is great for servers doesn't matter if it's harder to find the software you want for music. I buy an android smatphone it's because I can install my applications. And not because android is based on Linux. If I need to buy a car, I don't need a jet engine just because those engines are absolutely more efficient. I used Ubuntu Studio for a long time with qtractor, hydrogen, zynAddsubFx , Calf and others software. (I dont like Ardour workflow, that not depends on windows/linux ). all these software are ok, but to switch to a more efficient daw I had to switch to CbB and S1. And so I changed my OS. I chose the OS according to my softwares and not the other way around. The goal is to do music not computer Edited June 22, 2023 by Sakini 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azslow3 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Since I work and develop under Linux, I always have X2 in Wine, with several Cakewalk and other plug-ins. The rest in Windows VM. Unfortunately primary music software and hardware is not Linux aware. In reality that could be almost zero effort for plug-ins to support Linux, they all use multi-platform frameworks which are Linux aware. Native Instrument is using Qt (f.e. for Kontakt), which original platform in Linux... But they don't do this. Simply while they can... So for audio recording, Linux is fine. For MIDI it is not worse the trouble. One day that can flip, as I have written most plug-ins can appear under Linux within a day, there are DAWs there, VST3 is also officially supported on Linux. But till that happens, no reason to convince other DAWs. BTW most computers in the word are probably running Linux. Just not end-user PCs, which some people think are "the only computers". But there are servers/farms/grids/clouds, Android devices (phones, TVs, etc.), tiny and embedded devices (f.e. consumer routers), which are technically speaking are computers running Linux. Other UNIX direct successors was no longer popular after related companies disappear (SUN, SGE, DEC), but Apple has decided to go BSD way (probably not liking Linux license). Note that many "own ways" Microsoft was trying with time was also replaced by "normal" UNIX concepts. I mean till now no one has really managed to make something better then this "vintage" concept ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: And as for the man on the moon movie, another prime example of people falling for big tech, surly they wouldn't lie or mislead anyone. That explains it. One of those "moon landing was a hoax" nutjobs. 2 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Anyway, the door is closed, no Cakewalk for Linux. Moving on. Don't tease us like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, azslow3 said: Since I work and develop under Linux, I always have X2 in Wine, with several Cakewalk and other plug-ins. The rest in Windows VM. Unfortunately primary music software and hardware is not Linux aware. In reality that could be almost zero effort for plug-ins to support Linux, they all use multi-platform frameworks which are Linux aware. Native Instrument is using Qt (f.e. for Kontakt), which original platform in Linux... But they don't do this. Simply while they can... So for audio recording, Linux is fine. For MIDI it is not worse the trouble. One day that can flip, as I have written most plug-ins can appear under Linux within a day, there are DAWs there, VST3 is also officially supported on Linux. But till that happens, no reason to convince other DAWs. BTW most computers in the word are probably running Linux. Just not end-user PCs, which some people think are "the only computers". But there are servers/farms/grids/clouds, Android devices (phones, TVs, etc.), tiny and embedded devices (f.e. consumer routers), which are technically speaking are computers running Linux. Other UNIX direct successors was no longer popular after related companies disappear (SUN, SGE, DEC), but Apple has decided to go BSD way (probably not liking Linux license). Note that many "own ways" Microsoft was trying with time was also replaced by "normal" UNIX concepts. I mean till now no one has really managed to make something better then this "vintage" concept ? Hi azslow3 , happy to hear from you. Good news regarding the midi side, I have a Kawai piano, usb midi out, straight into the laptop running Lubuntu, from there into pianoteq , or even straight into Reaper with pianoteq playing back the sound as a plugin on the midi track. I also connect the mics through a new SSL 12 usb interface into Reaper on Lubuntu, no driver to install, just worked straight off the bat. Edited June 22, 2023 by Linux Daws Are The Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux Daws Are The Best Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sakini said: I repeat Linux is very good for certain uses. Especially for servers. But does that mean that there is a large ecosystem for music around Linux? Without ideology, you have to look at reality as it is. How many professional studios use Linux for production?. The fact that Linux is great for servers doesn't matter if it's harder to find the software you want for music. I buy an android smatphone it's because I can install my applications. And not because android is based on Linux. If I need to buy a car, I don't need a jet engine just because those engines are absolutely more efficient. I used Ubuntu Studio for a long time with qtractor, hydrogen, zynAddsubFx , Calf and others software. (I dont like Ardour workflow, that not depends on windows/linux ). all these software are ok, but to switch to a more efficient daw I had to switch to CbB and S1. And so I changed my OS. I chose the OS according to my softwares and not the other way around. The goal is to do music not computer I choose the OS first, I believe in a good foundation, ms is not that, its getting worse too. Don't believe me, just hang around another while with ms and all will come clear. I tried ubuntu studio, it was not as efficient on resources as I like, I moved on to Reaper because it uses way less resources on Lubuntu, which is cut down to keep it lean and fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) On 6/19/2023 at 8:49 AM, Linux Daws Are The Best said: . . . I simply can not understand why [CbB] is not being made available on Linux. Linux is no longer an underdog in music creation circles and is much much better than the current Windows offerings, which are absolutely terrible. Windows is a complete mess, updates all the time, breaks all sorts of functionality, it is nothing short of a night mare . . . . ? On 6/19/2023 at 9:22 AM, Linux Daws Are The Best said: I thought posting it here would result in those charged with the news thread seeing it and sharing my views / experience with the people who make the decisions. But as it seems to be upsetting people, I will not comment any further, no point in flogging a dead horse. ? 4 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: People are like sheep, they follow, I thought Cakewalk could be a leader, I know and admit am wrong, I was told it before I posted here, had to experience it to be sure. ? 3 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Don't be confused, I was told this place was closed to Linux, being an optimist I had to check this out, they were right. You all deserve windows, keep on using it. ? 3 hours ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Anyway, the door is closed, no Cakewalk for Linux. Moving on. ? 1 hour ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Hi azslow3 , happy to hear from you. Good news regarding the midi side, I have a Kawai piano, usb midi out, straight into the laptop running Lubuntu, from there into pianoteq , or even straight into Reaper with pianoteq playing back the sound as a plugin on the midi track. I also connect the mics through a new SSL 12 usb interface into Reaper on Lubuntu, no driver to install, just worked straight off the bat. ? 1 hour ago, Linux Daws Are The Best said: I choose the OS first, I believe in a good foundation, ms is not that, its getting worse too. Don't believe me, just hang around another while with ms and all will come clear. I tried ubuntu studio, it was not as efficient on resources as I like, I moved on to Reaper because it uses way less resources on Lubuntu, which is cut down to keep it lean and fast. ? On 6/19/2023 at 8:49 AM, Linux Daws Are The Best said: . . . I simply can not understand why it is not being made available on Linux. ? Edited June 22, 2023 by User 905133 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I think @Lord Tim's post with the baker's analogy and @azslow3's post sum the situation up quite nicely. Cakewalk by BandLab/SONAR are heavily reliant on the Windows operating system, and are extremely "Windows Compliant" in that regard. That's why much older versions of SONAR will work on more modern versions of Windows, largely without issue. This is mostly due to historical reasons. Cakewalk/SONAR has always been based on Microsoft technologies - first on DOS, and then on Windows. It leverages as much as it can from the operating system to make it perform well, which was very much needed on the slow hardware of the past. The SONAR for Mac project (which was before my time as a staff member) looked into ways at getting it to run on a Mac with help from the guys at Codeweavers. It did pretty well to be honest, but there were a bunch of performance issues and plugin support was a nightmare. To cut a long story short, to make it work well would have taken too long to develop, and cost far too much - something Gibson at the time was not prepared to fund. As @azslow3 has mentioned, various versions of SONAR have run on Linux in the past under Wine (in fact our CTO, Noel was on the Wine team for a number of years), and again this was due to the tight integration with Windows, enabling Wine to handle the various calls correctly. Plugin support and performance were yet again the main issues though, and the same time/cost issues apply to making it a Linux native app. I developed on / managed developers working soley on Linux for 11 years prior to joining the Cakewalk team, and for many years prior to that had to work with both Windows and Linux. I personally think it's an awesome operating system, but not for running a DAW on (in fact, I've pretty much Linux for everything apart from running a DAW). It's not that it's not capable - it certainly is - but lack of professional driver support and lack of commercial plugin support make it a non-starter for the majority of users. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, User 905133 said: ? I believe you meant to say: ? Really, folks, look at this guy's content (as well has his change of handle). The only places he's "contributed" to are the "Delusional Linux" topic in Coffee House and here. The "is that all you got," the change of handle, the repeated assertions that he's "out of here" yet always coming back, it's obvious. He's a skillful troll, and it's been fun to play Poke The Troll with him, but he's just getting a kick out of the attention and how much he can bait us. And sincerely, Mr. Linux Advocates Are The Worst, my (red) hat is off to you. You played the 90's "Linux Loony" to a T. It was fun to revisit my younger days. ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said: I believe you meant to say: ? Really, folks, look at this guy's content (as well has his change of handle). The only places he's "contributed" to are the "Delusional Linux" topic in Coffee House and here. The "is that all you got," the change of handle, the repeated assertions that he's "out of here" yet always coming back, it's obvious. He's a skillful troll . . . . My bad. I have a lifelong habit of being late to spot malevolent intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/19/2023 at 11:14 AM, Linux Daws Are The Best said: Am not into games . . . . ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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