David Owen Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Is there something similar to adjusting the gain/volume without having to use envelopes? One can click on a waveform/clip/track in Studio One and raise or lower it with the mouse which is handy. I was wondering if Sonar had something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martsave martin s Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 you can put a plug in the clip and adjust the volume there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I find the best way to do this is to change the clip envelope - I know it sounds like using an envelope, but it doesn't actually involve drawing one. If you change the filter on the clip to Clip Gain, then hold the CTRL key down, you can move the volume up and down for the clip. As this just affects the clip, you're still free to use volume automation for the track independently: You can of course do this with the track volume as well, but this will be overridden by any fader changes or track volume automation. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Jacobson Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 6 hours ago, David Owen said: Is there something similar to adjusting the gain/volume without having to use envelopes? One can click on a waveform/clip/track in Studio One and raise or lower it with the mouse which is handy. I was wondering if Sonar had something like this. The different ways to do it is more intrusive than just moving the Track Fader or gain knob with your mouse. FYI: Gain and Track Fader Volume or 2 different things. Gain raises the volume pre effects and pre-sends, unlike the Track Fader that can be post for effects and sends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 hours ago, msmcleod said: If you change the filter on the clip to Clip Gain, then hold the CTRL key down, you can move the volume up and down for the clip. One can do this also without changing the filter to Clip Gain first, just hold CTRL key down and click in the lower half portion of the clip to drag the Clip Gain envelope up and down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Anderton Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, msmcleod said: If you change the filter on the clip to Clip Gain, then hold the CTRL key down, you can move the volume up and down for the clip. Or, use the Process > Apply Effect > Normalize to the desired peak value. I have normalize on a keyboard shortcut so it doesn't take much time to, for example, drop the peak to -6 dB. Edited July 2, 2019 by Craig Anderton Remove redundant solution, add another option 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blogospherianman Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Or Process, Apply Effect, Gain. It has a preset menu of gains up and down and you can add your own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Owen Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Thanks to all who answered my question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Roseberry Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I've been lobbying (for a good while) for a static "Clip Gain" parameter. ? This static clip-gain parameter would ideally scale the waveform up/down. This makes it quick/easy to level out the volume of tracks. Clip Gain Envelope works... but it's a slower process (and no waveform scaling). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blogospherianman Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Jim Roseberry said: I've been lobbying (for a good while) for a static "Clip Gain" parameter. ? This static clip-gain parameter would ideally scale the waveform up/down. This makes it quick/easy to level out the volume of tracks. Clip Gain Envelope works... but it's a slower process (and no waveform scaling). That’s what Process, Apply effect, Gain does, It will Apply Clip gain to the clip or selection and scale the waveform. That’s the way I do some pre-leveling of lines, words or syllables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Roseberry Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Blogospherianman said: That’s what Process, Apply effect, Gain does, It will Apply Clip gain to the clip or selection and scale the waveform. That’s the way I do some pre-leveling of lines, words or syllables. FWIW, I'm well aware of the destructive processing option. ? The static gain change to which I'm referring is non-destructive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blogospherianman Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I gotcha! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Arwood Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Like Samplitude. Which is way behind on midi But has a few really nice Audio features I wish were in sonar. Like the one Jim is talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Roseberry Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/6/2019 at 9:47 AM, Max Arwood said: Like Samplitude. Which is way behind on midi But has a few really nice Audio features I wish were in sonar. Like the one Jim is talking about. I agree... Samplitude started out as a really advanced (realtime) audio editing application. It had many realtime processing options decades ago... which was revolutionary back then. I'd LOVE to see that "Static Clip Gain" control added to CbB. I'm mixing a project for a client as we speak... and it would certainly help speed up the process. Yes, I can work around it... but it's not the same. It would be a huge time saver. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerko Paniagua Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Justamente envié un correo a Cakewalk, comentándole la necesidad de esa opción clip gain, ojalá la implementen. Para dejar Samplitude y quedarme en Cakewalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gswitz Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Cool to be able to measure ebu loudness levels too, before setting clip gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Shore Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Just found this thread by accident while looking for info about something else and really glad I did... Much thx to msmcleod for posting the mini-tutorial above as well as to CJ for the info about Gain and Track Fader Volume... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARTIN NICKLESS Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Hi could somebody put this in English please as I’m not familiar with the jargon you’re using what are envelopes thank you so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Use google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 hours ago, MARTIN NICKLESS said: Hi could somebody put this in English please as I’m not familiar with the jargon you’re using what are envelopes thank you so much Envelopes are the visual representation of automation used to control various aspects of the data and performance in the DAW. There is a large amount of information in the documentation about automation and how to use envelopes. There is even a glossary of terms in the documentation. For example, Quote Envelopes Reflects the changes in value for a specified parameter (volume, for example) over a period of time. Also refers to the graph of the change—same as vector. See Automation. I am sure there are quite a few videos on the subject too. Youtube is pretty good resource for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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