[CLOSED] Cakewalk 2022.06 Early Access [Updated to Build 22]

[Noel Borthwick]

If you previously had the demo projects installed it's telling you now that there is an update. I assume most people would want to know that something they installed earlier had an update. If you no longer want the demo projects just uninstall them or download the latest.

If you had never downloaded the demo projects it would not ask you unless you manually did a check for updates.

We have to limit to the number of options we can have for the app.

[Keni]

57 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

If you previously had the demo projects installed it's telling you now that there is an update. I assume most people would want to know that something they installed earlier had an update. If you no longer want the demo projects just uninstall them or download the latest.

If you had never downloaded the demo projects it would not ask you unless you manually did a check for updates.

We have to limit to the number of options we can have for the app.

I understand... So the only way for me to get rid of the Toast is to download and install the demo projects.... Then delete them and hope it doesn't re-appear.

[Olaf]

My problem with the toast notifications is that, on project load, the synth loading and vst scan messages don't go away, once the project has finished loading, like it's some critical information that needs my input, when synths loading and the vst scan are absolutely normal, and don't require my input or my taking note - all that should happen anyway. i mean i like the messages being displayed while the project is loading, that way i know it is loading and not just sitting around, but once that's done there's no point for me okaying it every single time - just useless extra clicks.

on the other hand, when the project IS waiting for input - some message that needs OK-ing, it would be great if the taskbar window started flashing, so that you know it's waiting for a message from you - and that currently doesn't happen. so i'm waiting for it to load, it is waiting for me to OK something to load, and we're both wasting time, until i click on the window to see what's taking so long.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Olaf

[Noel Borthwick]

11 hours ago, Keni said:

I understand... So the only way for me to get rid of the Toast is to download and install the demo projects.... Then delete them and hope it doesn't re-appear.

Once you install the latest it should never prompt again. Those add-ones are very infrequently updated. It only checks if the version you have is lower. Alternatively uninstall what you don’t need. (those notifications will show up when you manually check for updates but not during the automatic check)

[Noel Borthwick]

9 hours ago, Olaf said:

My problem with the toast notifications is that, on project load, the synth loading and vst scan messages don't go away, once the project has finished loading, like it's some critical information that needs my input, when synths loading and the vst scan are absolutely normal, and don't require my input or my taking note - all that should happen anyway. i mean i like the messages being displayed while the project is loading, that way i know it is loading and not just sitting around, but once that's done there's no point for me okaying it every single time - just useless extra clicks.

on the other hand, when the project IS waiting for input - some message that needs OK-ing, it would be great if the taskbar window started flashing, so that you know it's waiting for a message from you - and that currently doesn't happen. so i'm waiting for it to load, it is waiting for me to OK something to load, and we're both wasting time, until i click on the window to see what's taking so long.

Hmm its not normal for the project loading messages to stay around, since those should automatically go away.
The scan on startup message also should also automatically fade away. There should be no reason to click to dismiss them. 
Can you post a video if you aren’t seeing this. Its the first time I’m hearing about that.

Ultimately a better solution to toast notifications would be a notifications panel, but that will take some work.

[Bill Phillips]

4 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Hmm its not normal for the project loading messages to stay around, since those should automatically go away.
The scan on startup message also should also automatically fade away. There should be no reason to click to dismiss them. 
Can you post a video if you aren’t seeing this. Its the first time I’m hearing about that.

Ultimately a better solution to toast notifications would be a notifications panel, but that will take some work.

I think the support team is doing a great job in maintaining and making meaningful improvements to Cakewalk a really good free DAW.

I'm also glad to see the demo projects updated. I think they're useful, particularly for beginners. I refer to them from time to time, particularly the Sophia Jane mix.

Thank you all!

Edited June 17, 2022 by Bill Phillips

[Keni]

55 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Once you install the latest it should never prompt again. Those add-ones are very infrequently updated. It only checks if the version you have is lower. Alternatively uninstall what you don’t need. (those notifications will show up when you manually check for updates but not during the automatic check)

Thanks Noel

I ran the new update as well as allowed the Demo Projects update (and deleted the projects afterward). All is well here. Everything up to date.

[Olaf]

3 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Can you post a video if you aren’t seeing this. Its the first time I’m hearing about that.

Will do!

3 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Ultimately a better solution to toast notifications would be a notifications panel, but that will take some work.

I wasn't thinking about that much more work and new settings for it, just having them go away.

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Olaf

[Jim Fogle]

When I opened Cakewalk 2022.06  build 22 early release two toast notifications displayed, one announcing new off-line Help documentation and the second announcing 2022.06 final release.

I clicked on the download button to start the documentation download.  When I clicked on the download button for the program update the program toast notification was replaced by a notification stating one download is in progress and the program download is not available.

The program notification disappeared.  There was no visible button to select the program download once the documentation download completed.

The release notes about the accessories (TTS-1, Studio Instrument Suite, etc.) led me to believe I could click multiple buttons and the downloads and installs would progress sequentially.  However, that assumption does not seem to be true.

I was able to download and install the final release by having the program check for updates.

It would be nice if download or install buttons didn't disappear if selected before the install process is ready for the button to be used.  This is related to the toast notification disappearing after a user selects the download folder button instead of the install button.

[Olaf]

@Noel Borthwick

The video for the lingering synth load and VST scan toasts. Waves gets rescanned on pretty much every load, but I think that's just the way their shell works - although, rarely, it loads without the scan, so I couldn't say for sure.

[msmcleod]

1 hour ago, Olaf said:

@Noel Borthwick

The video for the lingering synth load and VST scan toasts. Waves gets rescanned on pretty much every load, but I think that's just the way their shell works - although, rarely, it loads without the scan, so I couldn't say for sure.

 

Yes, it is the wave shell that is causing the re-scan every time.

I suspect the toasts not closing are a result of the project loading a synth that is also being scanned at the same time.

There are few ways around this ( in order of preference ):

1. Switch to manual scan - unless you're constantly installing new VST's, there's really no reason to have scan on start-up or automatic background scan enabled; or
2. Wait until the scan is finished before loading the project; or
3. Turn off scan in sandbox ( I wouldn't really recommend this one though ).

[Noel Borthwick]

8 hours ago, Jim Fogle said:

would be nice if download or install buttons didn't disappear if selected before the install process is ready for the button to be used. 

This was fixed for the final update so it only happens on the EA. You can click on multiple items and they are queued and downloaded sequentially now.

[Noel Borthwick]

2 hours ago, Olaf said:

The video for the lingering synth load and VST scan toasts.

This looks like a bug where the end project load notification is not being received somehow. Strange because I've never encountered that one. Does it happen on all your projects or just one?

Also if you let it sit there after load does the vst scan  finally say scan complete? You can check if the VST scan process is still running in the background. It should go away when the scan is complete which is typically a few seconds.

[Olaf]

3 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

This looks like a bug where the end project load notification is not being received somehow. Strange because I've never encountered that one. Does it happen on all your projects or just one?

Also if you let it sit there after load does the vst scan  finally say scan complete? You can check if the VST scan process is still running in the background. It should go away when the scan is complete which is typically a few seconds.

I've checked four projects, and one works as expected - scan completed normally, both toasts go away - while on the other three they linger.

If you let them sit they'll stay there till you grow old.

Here's what I could note, though: on all the projects with the linger there are frozen synths, which seems to cause the project load progress toast to stop, and the scan toast seems to hang after it. It stops at the Waves shell scan, without going into the modules.

So that would seem like the common occurrence, except there's a catch: when opening CW directly, with no project, the program load progress goes away, while the vst scan goes through all the modules, for a change, and completes, but stays open with the last Waves module scanned, which, for some reason, is Scheps Omni Channel, even though it's not the last alphabetically. So that kind of messes with the theory.

3 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Yes, it is the wave shell that is causing the re-scan every time.

I suspect the toasts not closing are a result of the project loading a synth that is also being scanned at the same time.

There are few ways around this ( in order of preference ?

1. Switch to manual scan - unless you're constantly installing new VST's, there's really no reason to have scan on start-up or automatic background scan enabled; or
2. Wait until the scan is finished before loading the project; or
3. Turn off scan in sandbox ( I wouldn't really recommend this one though ).

Thanks for the advice. I'd like to keep the auto scan, though, cause I try plugins all the time, uninstall what I don't use, so it's helpful. If I open CW without a specific project, wait for the scan to finish, and then load the project, the project load toast goes away, but the vst scan remains open after the last Waves module scanned, which is SOC, as above. I think it's a good idea to keep the sandbox scan active, too. The fewer crashes the better.

[abacab]

48 minutes ago, Olaf said:

the vst scan goes through all the modules, for a change, and completes, but stays open with the last Waves module scanned, which, for some reason, is Scheps Omni Channel, even though it's not the last alphabetically. So that kind of messes with the theory.

Not seeing the scanner remain open here. I have Waves Scheps Omni Channel, and always see the Waves shells scanned every time Cakewalk launches, but the scanner always closes after the scan. You may need to run a repair on your Waves install.

Cakewalk 2022.06 latest release running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2, with Waves Central 13.1.4 and Scheps v12.0.0.

[Noel Borthwick]

 

4 hours ago, Olaf said:

So that would seem like the common occurrence, except there's a catch: when opening CW directly, with no project, the program load progress goes away, while the vst scan goes through all the modules, for a change, and completes, but stays open with the last Waves module scanned, which, for some reason, is Scheps Omni Channel, even though it's not the last alphabetically. So that kind of messes with the theory.

If I understand correctly, is the problem only when opening a project before Cakewalk has opened? 
If the waves scan is hung for some reason, then that toast won't go away. As abacab mentioned that could be a waves install issue.
But the project loading toast is completely independent of that. I expect that toast to always be dismissed.
If you can boil it down to a project send me a link and I can try and reproduce it. I have all the waves plugins.

[Olaf]

I've reinstalled the Waves bundle - pretty nightmarish, had to delete all the Waves registry keys, the really weird thing is that the reinstall made CW add all its default plugin categories to my own, in the browser, even if they were unused and empty, but deleting all the CW entries for Waves, in the registry, in the end solved it - so the VST scan toast hang went away, when opening an empty project. The same way, when I open CW by itself, wait for the scan to complete, and then open a project from the start screen, the project load toast will go away, too. But if I open a project file directly, and both toasts appear at the same time, they will both stay open, and the VST scan doesn't go through the entire list - he plugins work, they list in the browser normally, but the scan progress display freezes pretty early on.

[Noel Borthwick]

Any chance you can share one of the projects that exhibits this? I doubt we’ll be to repro but its worth a try.

[abacab]

9 hours ago, Olaf said:

I've reinstalled the Waves bundle - pretty nightmarish, had to delete all the Waves registry keys, the really weird thing is that the reinstall made CW add all its default plugin categories to my own, in the browser, even if they were unused and empty, but deleting all the CW entries for Waves, in the registry, in the end solved it - so the VST scan toast hang went away, when opening an empty project. The same way, when I open CW by itself, wait for the scan to complete, and then open a project from the start screen, the project load toast will go away, too. But if I open a project file directly, and both toasts appear at the same time, they will both stay open, and the VST scan doesn't go through the entire list - he plugins work, they list in the browser normally, but the scan progress display freezes pretty early on.

Did you try clicking the "Repair" button in Waves Central settings before nuking everything?

"Repair function inventories the Waves products on your computer and replaces all of them with the most current version."

[Olaf]

13 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Any chance you can share one of the projects that exhibits this? I doubt we’ll be to repro but its worth a try.

Sure, I'll try it later tonight, or tomorrow.

 

4 hours ago, abacab said:

Did you try clicking the "Repair" button in Waves Central settings before nuking everything?

It rarely works when you've got registry problems. Uninstalled it, too, and deleted its keys, too for a fresh install. Better that way, cause registry conflict can be a big headache later..