What is the bitness of Sonitus plugins?

[Сzeslaw]

What is the bitness of Sonitus plugins?

Thanks in advance!

[scook]

I just checked the delay and it shows 64bit

I'll leave the rest as an exercise.

See here for how I determined the plug-in uses 64bit communication.

[Jack Cat]

I just learned a new word! I thought the OP had meant Bit Rate or Bit Depth, but Bitness actually seems the correct term. 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bitness

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Jack Cat

[abacab]

The Sonitus FX plugins provided with Cakewalk are 64-bit DX (not VST) plugins.

[scook]

I assumed the question was about their data path as DX plug-ins are host bitness specific.

[Сzeslaw]

7 hours ago, abacab said:

The Sonitus FX plugins provided with Cakewalk are 64-bit DX (not VST) plugins.

Thanks! About VST - this is an important remark.

I don't understand why this information is not in the Help.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Czeslaw

[abacab]

9 hours ago, Czeslaw said:

Thanks! About VST - this is an important remark.

I don't understand why this information is not in the Help.

Sonitus is a quite old and legacy Cakewalk FX suite, and DX (DirectX) is mentioned in a 2016 knowledge base article here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013067/Overview-of-the-Sonitusfx-suite

Quote

 

If you are using SONAR Studio Edition, previous versions of SONAR, or other Cakewalk products that support DirectX effects

 

Sonitus FX will also be recognized in another DAW, such as Reaper, that recognizes DX plugins.

[bitflipper]

I've been flipping bits since 1973, and this is the first time I've heard the term "bitness". A good word, though, as I instantly knew what it meant.

I use "wordlength" when talking to techies, "bit depth" when talking to musicians and audio engineers.

btw, whether or not a plugin is 64-bit is a flag (isX64) in the registry, along with other flags to indicate whether it's a VST, VST3, ARA-compatible, or a synth. Also the number of inputs and outputs and a whole bunch of other stuff I've yet to decipher, 

[Сzeslaw]

On 12/13/2021 at 9:10 PM, abacab said:

Sonitus is a quite old and legacy Cakewalk FX suite, and DX (DirectX) is mentioned in a 2016 knowledge base article here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013067/Overview-of-the-Sonitusfx-suite

Thanks! I know this.

[sjoens]

Is it weird that DXs are 64 bit and VSTs are 32?

Plus, the VSTs won't load in CbB while I'm getting a lot of crackles and total audio engine silence (not dropouts) when using the DX version in a bus.

[sjoens]

Do 64 bit Sonitus install with Cakewalk Core installer? ALL my Sonitus plugins are 32 bit even after running the Platinum installer for 64 bit.

My Plugin Manager lists 2 sets of Sonitus:

DX > Sonitus xxx     C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins\SonitusFXxxx.dll

     Loads in CbB with 2 single dots (32 bit stereo).

VST > Sonitus:fx xxx     c:\program files\cakewalk\32 bit plugins\dxshell.dll   (path does not exist)

     Loads in CbB (dead) with 2 single dots (32 bit stereo).

 

 

[abacab]

4 hours ago, sjoens said:

Do 64 bit Sonitus install with Cakewalk Core installer? ALL my Sonitus plugins are 32 bit even after running the Platinum installer for 64 bit.

My Plugin Manager lists 2 sets of Sonitus:

DX > Sonitus xxx     C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins\SonitusFXxxx.dll

     Loads in CbB with 2 single dots (32 bit stereo).

VST > Sonitus:fx xxx     c:\program files\cakewalk\32 bit plugins\dxshell.dll   (path does not exist)

     Loads in CbB (dead) with 2 single dots (32 bit stereo).

 

 

The current Sonitus plugs should be 64-bit DX, in your 64-bit Program Files path.

The 2-pins (dots as you call them) vs. 4-pins appearance depends on whether you have the Cakewalk mixing engine set to 64-bit precision or not, and does not determine the "bitness" of the plugin itself.

See scooks link above for the details.

Edited February 4, 2022 by abacab

[scook]

32bit DX plugins do not load in 64bit hosts.

In fact, the part of the registry where 32bit DX plug-ins are registered is not read by 64bit hosts.

[sjoens]

Thanks guys, but I'm confused about the link then. I see nothing there to determine bitness.

VSTs are color coded in the Insert menu (32=green, 64=yellow) but DXs are always gray.

The link did explain why some Sonitus plugs cause audio drops, tho.

Edited February 4, 2022 by sjoens

[scook]

Plug-in menu colors are determined by the theme.

Note, my original reply to bitness above refers to how the plug-ins communicate with the DAW. 

Here is the image from the link in my post showing a stereo plug-in using a 64bit data path to the 64bit double-precision engine. 

If the plug-in only supports a 32bit data path when running the 64bit DPE it would look like

This is true in 32bit or 64bit SONAR and 64bit CbB. Note, all these DAWs have a 64bit DPE option.

 

This has nothing to do with whether the plug-in is compiled as a 32bit or 64bit, VST or DX format. 

 

 

[sjoens]

30 minutes ago, scook said:

This has nothing to do with whether the plug-in is compiled as a 32bit or 64bit, VST or DX format. 

Guess I'm confused as I thought that was the OP's question & your initial reply.

40 minutes ago, scook said:

Plug-in menu colors are determined by the theme.

True for the Browser but the FX Bin right-click flyout ("insert menu") is fixed TMK.

[Starship Krupa]

On 12/12/2021 at 3:47 AM, Czeslaw said:

What is the bitness of Sonitus plugins?

They were initially 32-bit, but the developers at Cakewalk worked overtime to make sure it was taken care of, and now they are 64-bit.