mcmd Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jacques Boileau said: The ECM8000 does not come with a calibration file. Behringer does not produce individual calibration file for these. I don't know if you can skip the calibration file step in ARC. There are some generic cal file for it that people made. A quick search in Google returns a few examples. As I understand it, the Dayton Audio EMM-6 is the same as the ECM8000 and Dayton provide a calibration file . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) oh well. i picked up the Slash as I started using AT5 as a effects plugin for soft synths... it has a bunch of pedal emulations that should create some interesting sound combinations. btw.. cool article on making patterns in Modo Drum.. https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/20-tips-creating-realistic-sequenced-drum-parts Edited October 24, 2021 by telecode 101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibby Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Asking a question here because I'm hoping one of you will know, especially @Peter - IK Multimedia I have a Presets question: I spent some time exploring and playing around with the standalone versions of these two plugins and started savingsome Presets when I had some sounds I liked, thinking I would just pull them up in my DAW and use them. But the presets don't show up in the plugin versions in my DAW. I see that there is a separate folder for "Rack" vs "Effect" in the Presets folders, but manually copying the preset from one to the other didn't make it show up either. (?) What am I missing? Are the Presets interchangeable between the standalone and the plugin versions of these two plugins? Edited October 24, 2021 by mibby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Boileau Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, mcmd said: As I understand it, the Dayton Audio EMM-6 is the same as the ECM8000 and Dayton provide a calibration file . No, the EMM-6 is not the same. Those are individually calibrated and the calibration are thus different for every mic. You need to enter your mic's serial on their site to get your mic specific cal file. These are two different mics as far as I know. Where did you see information that they where identical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jacques Boileau said: No, the EMM-6 is not the same. Those are individually calibrated and the calibration are thus different for every mic. You need to enter your mic's serial on their site to get your mic specific cal file. These are two different mics as far as I know. Where did you see information that they where identical? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/rough-comparison-of-two-measurement-mics.2409/ http://www.audioimprov.com/AudioImprov/Mics/Entries/2012/11/12_Dayton_EMM-6_%26_Behringer_ECM-8000_Measurement_Mics.html Edited October 24, 2021 by simon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Boileau Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, simon said: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/rough-comparison-of-two-measurement-mics.2409/ http://www.audioimprov.com/AudioImprov/Mics/Entries/2012/11/12_Dayton_EMM-6_%26_Behringer_ECM-8000_Measurement_Mics.html Haha, some company bought their mic from the other I guess! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Cruz Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 9:20 PM, abacab said: Not bad. Alan was on the team that sampled a Bösendorfer® Model 290 grand piano at Mark Knopfler's British Grove Studios in London. https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/st3alanparsonsgrand/?pkey=st3sounds-alanparsons-grand About that piano, it was used by Rick Wright to re-record some measures of piano on Shine On Your Crazy Diamond that were lost from the master tapes. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, simon said: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/rough-comparison-of-two-measurement-mics.2409/ http://www.audioimprov.com/AudioImprov/Mics/Entries/2012/11/12_Dayton_EMM-6_%26_Behringer_ECM-8000_Measurement_Mics.html Bought the ECM-8000 as well to use with ARC. Would the calibration file found on this site work? https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/downloads-page.19/? And if so, how do you use it ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmd Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Billy said: Bought the ECM-8000 as well to use with ARC. Would the calibration file found on this site work? https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/downloads-page.19/? And if so, how do you use it ?♂️ I don't know if this would work. A cal file is intended to be specific to a particular mic and compensate for build variability AFAIK,when measured against a reference standard. IK don't supply one with their mic, because I believe, they claim a low variability from unit to unit. I don't know if ARC requires a cal file if you use a different mic. ...this subject probs needs it own thread, as I expect many people took the ARC software and are in the same boat about mic choices. Edited October 24, 2021 by mcmd clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Waidelich Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 6:03 PM, ALC said: I posted these before in the other thread that was closed ... I created the following spreadsheets (scraped from the documentation and the Custom Shop) to help myself with this group buy. Hopefully you find it useful. IK 25th Anniversary Group Buy (includes X-GEAR and new AmpliTube stomps/amps/cabs/mics): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sfBcas5oIG8CJgDvg2bf0tg8l0pbyg3uZNcgSvgDXbk/edit?usp=sharing AmpliTube (includes X-GEAR tab with all the descriptions): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18qod2xI_wcOjBiFsN7gpv-60BeTyuhEQ-5epfb7IPcE/edit?usp=sharing IK Mixing and Mastering: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a4E8LHS743zJYhQWd8eNdP90ntVKYUXj-3UpIQYvx7c/edit?usp=sharing Yes, I haven't yet created a sheet for SampleTank/Virtual Instruments. Thanks for this! I used it to figure out my 24 freebies to get while waiting for my iRig to arrive. Took me awhile to figure out how to tally amounts since I haven't used spreadsheets in a long time. I was debating on getting Sample Tank SE and when the keyboard arrived yesterday I see it comes with it so that's an added bonus. I'll be able to have most of AT-5 including X-Gear, and a ton of T-racks so I should be set for a long time. Now to block all my music related emails so I can focus on music instead of being tempted by collecting plugins. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jake Waidelich said: should be set for a long time. Now to block all my music related emails so I can focus on music instead of being tempted by collecting plugins. ? Yeah, we all should be set for a loooong time!! Good luck trying to stay focused on your music. You talked about filtering your emails but nothing about not coming around here. It's like the old saying goes... Hang around shady places and you will get involved in shady deals!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Boileau Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Grem said: Yeah, we all should be set for a loooong time!! Good luck trying to stay focused on your music. You talked about filtering your emails but nothing about not coming around here. It's like the old saying goes... Hang around shady places and you will get involved in shady deals!! You are right! Take me for example, I never knew I needed so many plugins before I came here! ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filo Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) On 10/23/2021 at 6:21 PM, Jesse Screed said: The CPU usage is what was affecting the per track AT5 plugin use. True and I have found another and quite weird dependency in Reaper. The CPU usage per track is higher in case you have the same preset duplicated to more tracks. Screenshot is from 5.20. I have got the same behavior in 5.0.3 and 5.1.1 version. EDIT: It is definitely some bug in the Reaper because I can achieve the same results with other VST combinations. Some general and one track measurements across mentioned versions: AT 5.0.3 1st start to GUI - 17s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.7 to 4.1% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - xxx AT 5.1.1 1st start to GUI - 22s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.8 to 4.0% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - 4.8 to 5.2% AT 5.2 1st start to GUI - 18s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.8 to 4.1% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - 4.5 to 4.8% My PC: Win10, Intel i7-4790K passmark 8056,16 GB RAM, SSD WD Blue AT5 Perfomance - Leslie .at5p AT5 Perfomance - Leslie XGear.at5p Edited October 24, 2021 by filo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jacques Boileau said: 16 minutes ago, Grem said: Hang around shady places and you will get involved in shady deals!! You are right! Take me for example, I never knew I needed so many plugins before I came here! ?? I can't help but just relate! Misery likes company...? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, mcmd said: I don't know if this would work. A cal file is intended to be specific to a particular mic and compensate for build variability AFAIK,when measured against a reference standard. IK don't supply one with their mic, because I believe, they claim a low variability from unit to unit. I don't know if ARC requires a cal file if you use a different mic. ...this subject probs needs it own thread, as I expect many people took the ARC software and are in the same boat about mic choices. ARC 3 will accept the ".cal" file for ECM8000 if you rename it to a ".txt" file when selecting the generic mic in the ARC software. https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/downloads-page.19/ But these files will not exactly represent "your" copy of the mic. There may be some variance. Edited October 24, 2021 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Arwood Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 There are several you can download. They are a particular mic and will not match your mic. You can use the EMC800 with or without a calibration file. I have used it both ways. The good thing is that the EMC8000 is very close in the important frequencies - 80 to 15k is pretty close on these. There are several links to different EMC8000 calibration files. I guess you could look at a few and average them or try a couple and see what you think. www.hometheatershack.com/threads/do-i-need-a-behringer-ecm8000-cal-file.175106/ https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/ecm8000-calibration-file.3949/ abacab's graph is great to show the variations in the EMC8000. Also that flat area in the middle of the graph is the most important frequencies 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Boileau Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, filo said: True and I have found another and quite weird dependency in Reaper. The CPU usage per track is higher in case you have the same preset duplicated to more tracks. Screenshot is from 5.20. I have got the same behavior in 5.0.3 and 5.1.1 version. EDIT: It is definitely some bug in the Reaper because I can achieve the same results with other VST combinations. Some general and one track measurements across mentioned versions: AT 5.0.3 1st start to GUI - 17s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.7 to 4.1% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - xxx AT 5.1.1 1st start to GUI - 22s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.8 to 4.0% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - 4.8 to 5.2% AT 5.2 1st start to GUI - 18s 2nd start to GUI - 3s AT5 Perfomance Leslie - 3.8 to 4.1% AT5 Perfomance Leslie X-Gear - 4.5 to 4.8% My PC: Win10, Intel i7-4790K passmark 8056,16 GB RAM, SSD WD Blue AT5 Perfomance - Leslie .at5p 11.13 kB · 1 download AT5 Perfomance - Leslie XGear.at5p 14.44 kB · 0 downloads Very interesting. My test were done with the default preset. In the case of this Leslie patch, there doesn't seem to be a difference. I will try that and see how it fares on my machine. Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I still have an unregistered $50 IK product. Any reason to register this in the Group Buy? At what price are all these added Amplitube singles valued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Fleer said: I still have an unregistered $50 IK product. Any reason to register this in the Group Buy? At what price are all these added Amplitube singles valued? Heck Yes Fleer! Haven't you realized yet it isn't about you but the GB Total. We want Peter to get his nice bonus (see I'm a nice person wishing Peter well even though he is dissing me on my free MIDI keyboard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Max Arwood said: abacab's graph is great to show the variations in the EMC8000. Also that flat area in the middle of the graph is the most important frequencies It's not my graph, I just borrowed it from: https://www.hometheatershack.com/threads/downloads-page.19/ They also have a graph for the EMM-6. That one seems to have a much wider variance in the lows and highs. Probably much more need for an accurate calibration file with that one! But it is flat in the middle as well... But then, there was this comparison of these two at: http://www.audioimprov.com/AudioImprov/Mics/Entries/2012/11/12_Dayton_EMM-6_%26_Behringer_ECM-8000_Measurement_Mics.html Response to the same test speaker. ECM-8000 green, EMM-6 yellow. Curves separated for clarity. Edited October 24, 2021 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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