gmp Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I've been using the External Encoder in Sonar and CbB for about 15 years. Worked perfect every time, except with the new version of CbB 2021.09 I haven't gotten any response in the 2021.09 Feedback post, so I wanted to know if anyone else uses it. I've been creating VBR 4 mp3's which is the variable rate encoding and produces a very high quality mp3. But actually the most important use of the external Encoder is that I can create a wav file and then right away it creates an mp3 - all in one process. Quite a convenience and time saver. I hope they can fix the bug in 2021.09, but in the mean time, I'd appreciate anyone who's uses that External Encoder to at least chime in and let me know if you're having problems too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline_UK Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I don't, as some years ago I lost my notes on how to set it up in Sonar - it was a bit complex as I recall. So I simply bought Sonnox's Toolbox. I export to WAV and do the rest in Toolbox, which is very versatile, and it's only £35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Skyline_UK said: I export to WAV and do the rest in Toolbox, which is very versatile, and it's only £35. This is what I do, except I export FLAC and then the freeware Mediahuman Audio Converter. I use MP3Tag to add tags before conversion, which Mediahuman passes through to the converted files. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scook Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Skyline_UK said: I don't, as some years ago I lost my notes on how to set it up in Sonar - it was a bit complex as I recall. It's not that bad. For years there has been a graphical editor in the utilities menu to perform the registry edits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) I have always exported as a Wave and Top and Tail in Wave Lab. Cakewalk never gets start and ending precisely the way I want it. I then use another Wave Editor called Gold Wave to convert to MP3. I often do this as a batch (album) of songs. I always found Cakewalks MP3 export limited and have never used it. Edited September 24, 2021 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Why not use the new features of the exporter in CbB to create multiple.files as a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmp Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 Glad to hear it's on the fix list - thanks msmcleod. What I really like about using the External Encoder is I can create an mp3 and a wav file at the same time. Just go to Utilities/ External Encoder Configuration utility and put these values in the boxes. MP3 VBR4 + Wav - file name Extension - mp3 keep source file - checked PATH: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities COMMAND LINE: lame -V4 --vbr-new -m j %I %O You do need to put 3 Lame files to the 64 bit folder C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities. The 3 files in the Shared Folder are lame.css lame.exe lame.dll If anyone ever needs these I can put them in my MS Onedrive for anyone to retrieve. About 15 years ago when I set this up, I visited this specialized mp3 forum, where these gurus who were on the cutting edge of mp3 improvements. They gave me the Command Line. I found that the VBR 4 was a good compromise between quality and size and was better than even the 192. With variable bit rate the encoder will examine the file and determine which parts need the 320 and which parts are fine with 128 or less. Once you do all this when you export you'll see your file name you used in the Encoder Configuration in the drop down list. I have 2 configs - mp3 only and mp3 + wav file 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmp Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, Kevin Perry said: Why not use the new features of the exporter in CbB to create multiple.files as a job? I saw that. So with this I could create a wav file and mp3 at the same time? Have you tried this feature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I believe so although I haven't played enough with it yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 54 minutes ago, gmp said: I saw that. So with this I could create a wav file and mp3 at the same time? Have you tried this feature? Yes you can create two tasks and they will render the wav and mp3. Its not rendered at the same time however it will do two bounces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 14 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said: Its not rendered at the same time however it will do two bounces. Ah, that's very good to know, for people like me who sometimes use FX and instruments that have randomized elements. Something I'm curious about, for instance: if one is using an S&H modulator, and one does two separate renders, will they come out sounding the same (within the constraints of the formats, of course)? I don't remember exactly how S&H does its thing, but it's supposed to be deliberately randomizing, isn't it? Or does it just sound like it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I'm thinking of adding a parallel export to wav for other encoders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmp Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: I'm thinking of adding a parallel export to wav for other encoders In the export window it would be nice to have a check box for "save wav file" for anyone saving to mp3 or other format, since the wav file in most cases is created first and then deleted after creating the mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 It's not. Most encoders write audio directly without first being written to wav. Only the external encoder does that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitflipper Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I'm waiting for the "do it again but this time make it sound better" option. Perhaps feature it in conjunction with the re-release of the legendary Talent plugin. C'mon, Noel, we know you've still got the source code. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Harrison Mixbus allows you to export in multiple formats simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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