Johnbee58 Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Original song. Just me trying to write like Boz Scaggs. https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=14220058 I hope you enjoy it. ? John B Edited March 27, 2021 by Johnbee58 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack c. Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 ahh i do hear scaggs.use some vst plugins to make your voice wider/bigger.nice recording job.jack c. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, jack c. said: ahh i do hear scaggs.use some vst plugins to make your voice wider/bigger.nice recording job.jack c. Thanks, Jack. I was thinking that too. There is a thinness in the lead vocal. I have the Ozone Imager but when I use it, Cakewalk crashes. I also have the Nugen Stereoizer. Maybe I'll give thar a whirl. ? John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Nice job I like it. Lots of good parts happening to keep the interest. I think your voice is fine. I’ve gotten used to it?. But if you want more warmth use a dynamic mike and get right on it. I tried Ozone and it actually sounds worse on my tracks. I think it’s made for people who have real bad sounding tracks and have no clue how to fix them. I’m of the camp which you get a great sound before you hit the big R. Then very little is needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, John Vere said: Nice job I like it. Lots of good parts happening to keep the interest. I think your voice is fine. I’ve gotten used to it?. But if you want more warmth use a dynamic mike and get right on it. I tried Ozone and it actually sounds worse on my tracks. I think it’s made for people who have real bad sounding tracks and have no clue how to fix them. I’m of the camp which you get a great sound before you hit the big R. Then very little is needed Thanks John. Funny you suggest using a dynamic mic. Fact is I did use my 30 year old Peavey PVM 38 on this. I just didn't like the way my Avantone CV 12 sounded on this so I dug out my old dynamic and was surprised that it actually sounded better. (I guess it likes my voice better than the CV 12). I'm considering buying a Shure SM7B (and yes, I know I would also need a Cloudlifter preamp), but I don't know if it would sound any better. ? John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 It took me 30 years but for me the best mike live and in the studio is a Sure Beta 58 with a sock on it. There's a lot of noise in my house right now with fans and appliances and dogs. Until I can build my dream studio condenser mikes are out of the question. I meant to ask you- is your dog a type of labradoodle ? it looks a bit like one of ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 Ginger was (we were told) a toy, but I think she was a bit bigger than what my understanding of a toy poodle is. Unfortunately I lost my baby girl 2 years ago. She had stomach cancer. She was almost 15. Thanks for the mic tip. I'll look into the beta. ?John B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noynekker Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Very nice job on this one John . . . the chords and piano parts are well conceived, and it's a very clear mix. I very much relate to the lyrical content, also well done. Those staccato strings in the 3rd chorus really add a great and uplifting feeling, getting the point across about that "love of a lifetime", and I'm thinking it might be good if they were in the first 2 choruses as well ? Thanks for posting here ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 hours ago, noynekker said: Very nice job on this one John . . . the chords and piano parts are well conceived, and it's a very clear mix. I very much relate to the lyrical content, also well done. Those staccato strings in the 3rd chorus really add a great and uplifting feeling, getting the point across about that "love of a lifetime", and I'm thinking it might be good if they were in the first 2 choruses as well ? Thanks for posting here ! Noynekker, thanks so much! As far as the strings in the first two choruses, I like to "build up" on the instrumentation as the song progresses, the last chorus being the "climax". ? John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynn Wilson Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 John, you have come far in the last few years with your vocals. A very short delay can "thicken" a voice without much effort, or just sing a double of the lead. However, I'm not sure you need it. This song is quite good, and the arrangement is sophisticated enough that it stands on its own. A+ effort! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Lynn Wilson said: John, you have come far in the last few years with your vocals. A very short delay can "thicken" a voice without much effort, or just sing a double of the lead. However, I'm not sure you need it. This song is quite good, and the arrangement is sophisticated enough that it stands on its own. A+ effort! Thanks so much, Lynn. ? John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajan Blue Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Hi John Good track, well recorded and played Nice stuff Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Bajan Blue said: Hi John Good track, well recorded and played Nice stuff Nigel Thanks Nigel! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Good chorus on this one John, although a little sad. Well done! t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Sounds OK here John, mix works quite well on my Event 20/20's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Deering & Wookiee-Thanks so much! ? JB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSband Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 You are a heck of a good song writer. I like all the cool chord changes and yet you manage to make a nice melody out of it, very much much like Steely Dan did so well. Obviously a very good piano player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 20 hours ago, KurtS said: You are a heck of a good song writer. I like all the cool chord changes and yet you manage to make a nice melody out of it, very much much like Steely Dan did so well. Obviously a very good piano player. Thanks for the kind words, Kurt! ? John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornpdx Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 John, I'm used to lyrics like you see in traditional poems - fairly strict rhythm, accents in the right places and words have to rhyme. Your lyrics don't follow the "rules" but the song sounds great anyway. Seems like there would be a lot of different ways to sing it. Do you do it the same way every time or can it come out way different once in a while? In my limited non-pro experience I've found that double tracking or a short delay like Lynn mentioned above is an effective way to thicken the voc. -Bjorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 18 hours ago, bjornpdx said: John, I'm used to lyrics like you see in traditional poems - fairly strict rhythm, accents in the right places and words have to rhyme. Your lyrics don't follow the "rules" but the song sounds great anyway. Seems like there would be a lot of different ways to sing it. Do you do it the same way every time or can it come out way different once in a while? In my limited non-pro experience I've found that double tracking or a short delay like Lynn mentioned above is an effective way to thicken the voc. -Bjorn Hi Bjorn. Thanks so much for the feedback. ? Gee, I guess I really didn't think about it much, but you're right. The lyric only rhymes in a few places. The fact that it seems to work anyway proves that lyrics don't necessarily have to rhyme all the time. Kinda like free verse poetry, I guess. To answer your question, no I don't purposely avoid rhyming my lyrics (check some more of them out . Most do rhyme ?). In this case I just followed my heart in what a person in that situation might say. Thanks again! ? John B EDIT-BTW, I did do a thickening trick on the vocal and I updated the mix a few days ago. I put my Fix Doubler plugin on a separate track for the non doubled voice and used the preset called "Stereo Widening", but reduced the mix on it to a very minimal amount. I think it thickened it up a bit. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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