Frank D. Baere Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Hi, Will the "Staff View" be further developed? I suppose a lot of people use Midi in Cakewalk and it would be great if we could also work with musical notation in Cakewalk. Importing Music xml would be nice. Presonus has integrated a music notation program into their DAW and it's great. I also have Studio One but I don't like to work in it! For some reason I keep coming back to Cakewalk. CbB is simply a wonderful and easy to use program.? Frank Edited February 4, 2021 by Frank D. Baere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michheld Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I would guess there's not enough free manpower at the moment for these things. But I dream of a kind of ARA-Interface to connect external tools like e.g. musescore. Let's see what the bakers say... All the best 2 U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGBradford Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I'd be keen to see improvements to the staff view too. I usually use piano roll as it is more flexible but would find a more usable staff view very helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank D. Baere Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 For now I use Presonus Notion 6 and connect it to Cakewalk with Rewire. So I can work on my piano roll and follow the music position on my score in Notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecknot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I wouldn't hold your breath. We have been asking for upgrades to the Staff View for years. Cakewalk has been particularly silent on the matter. Kind regards, tecknot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdiemer Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Yeah, it's not going to happen. Sorry to be negative, but on the old Sonar forum there was a thread on this that became on eof the longest in the history of that forum. they have made some minor tweaks, but not all of them have been received well, and most prefer the staff view that existed in the Sonar 8.5 days. Having said that, Cakewalk's staff view is in my opinion the best of any DAW. Only Reaper's is as good. not because it's great as a notation program (far from it), but because it excels as a compositional tool. People rave about Cubase's staff view. I have tried it, and although it looks great and you can print decent scores (although still not professional quality), navigating in it is a pain. You can only select the notes you can see in the current window. There is no scrolling. Cakewalk allows you to scroll as much as you want. So you can select 100 measures if you want. to do that in Cubase, you have to exit staff view and use another view to make the selection. In time, Reaper's notation feature is going to be the best of any DAW. Unless Studio One fully integrates Notion. I don't know how far that process has gone. I used Reaper for a couple years, but eventually got tired of the interface as well as the difficulty in routing midi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank D. Baere Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, mdiemer said: Unless Studio One fully integrates Notion. I don't know how far that process has gone. I used Reaper for a couple years, but eventually got tired of the interface as well as the difficulty in routing midi. Notion is now fully integrated in Studio One. You can compose in Notion and send the whole score in one click to Studio One. I understand that this is more difficult with Cakewalk because the program is free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 88 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 9 hours ago, Frank D. Baere said: For now I use Presonus Notion 6 and connect it to Cakewalk with Rewire. So I can work on my piano roll and follow the music position on my score in Notion. I do the same with Sibelius. Can you get it to lock perfectly? Sibelius is off just a little, enough to view, but not enough to sync tightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Earl Goodroe Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Hi!! Sidroe here!! I was the OP of the record breaking longest thread in the old forum on just this topic. That seems like so many years ago now. I still find it hard to believe that we are still having to discuss the shortcomings of the staff view for this many years now! It doesn't feel like the fix is any closer!!! I still have confidence that if the staff issues can be fixed, the bakers will find a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Maybe we can set a new record here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Keep the thread alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, abacab said: Maybe we can set a new record here! 1 hour ago, abacab said: Keep the thread alive! Count me out. I don't need to hear things like, "If you want to do notation, get a real notation program," "Use the PRV; its much better," "Real musicians don't use staff notation," etc. over and over in yet another thread. Well, if it gets really heated, maybe I'll use copious ?? and/or ?? signs. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It hasn't gotten exactly zero attention in the BandLab years, there have been a few bug fixes. I wouldn't look for feature improvements or additions, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, abacab said: Maybe we can set a new record here! I don't want to get scolded by the folks that say it isn't needed. It is a DAW not a notation program. I have been down that road already 1 hour ago, abacab said: Keep the thread alive! Really. The Bakers know what needs to be done but don't have the expertise, time or think it is not needed As much as I love CbB if I really need the notation I will probably go the Studio One 5 route. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Don't feel sorry. Cubase hasn't updated theirs either. And both look strangely similar in both lack of intuitiveness and functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Earl Goodroe Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 We already have gone down this rabbit hole enough!!! I would much rather we spend the time making music than posting about a crippled feature that probably won't be fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, InstrEd said: I don't want to get scolded by the folks that say it isn't needed. It is a DAW not a notation program. I have been down that road already Really. The Bakers know what needs to be done but don't have the expertise, time or think it is not needed As much as I love CbB if I really need the notation I will probably go the Studio One 5 route. I've already got Notion and Studio One with full notation integration, so I don't really need it improved in Cakewalk. But as a Cakewalk user and supporter for over 20 years, I'm just suggesting a way to make Cakewalk a better tool for all, not just guitar playing Dads. I'm still a fan of seeing Cakewalk become one of the best DAWs, not just the best free one. Edited February 5, 2021 by abacab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 BandLab should acquire Finale or Sibelius and integrate and be done with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 @abacab I agree I would like to see staff view / notation improvement in CbB especially with Meng and Bandlab keen on music education. but as others have said, me included ,I will be shocked if it gets some love from the bakers. I'm slowly learning Staffpad as a new creative tool now and I brought the Affinity suite of graphics to keep me busy. Too much to learn and not enough time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Glenn Stanton said: BandLab should acquire Finale or Sibelius and integrate and be done with it. We want to make notation easier for the masses not harder ? I speak from experience with Finale If I'm going for a top-notch published page then yes Finale/Sibelius etc is the way to go. This is not what most of us are looking for from CbB. Most of us just wanted functional notation/staff view and Cakewalk is close but misses the mark as has been discussed before. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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