Larry Shelby Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Grem said: We can agree 100% on this. They are just not very good at making it clear as far as what's in a latest version, of what ever. ST, AT, TR. Like I said in an earlier post, I looked around at the info presented and realized that AT5 SE and AT5 have the core features in common. AT5 SE just doesn't have all the new speakers that are available. But it has the VIR tech to make all my old stuff into the new stuff just like AT5. Matt pointed out that IK doesn't seem to do upgrades. You just get a new license for the new product/version. So if you buy AT4 now, you will get a license for AT5 SE, not an 'upgrade'. Right-e-o! Anyways....that $80 is what I should have had to pay to get from AT 4 Max to AT 5 Max...but whatever...they boned me again... I should be used to it by now ? At least Waves have the intellect to do "graduated" upgrades based on what you already own...so my hats off to them! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Shelby Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, cclarry said: This Video says that the "Legacy" cabinets were "recaptured"! Wouldn't that mean that they WOULD have to "upgrade" your existing Cabinets for your "Collections" if the 'Full Features" for those Cabinets were going to work? They would HAVE to give you new IR's for your existing collections 'Legacy" cabinets wouldn't they, or am I just KRAZY? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzroy Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, cclarry said: ... or am I just KRAZY? I think it’s no secret that I don’t like IK as a company, nor much of their business model, nor their reps. I wouldn’t comment on this topic, but I do because it’s you, and well, you ARE the king and I need you to be happy; heck, BF is around the corner ? I'm not sure I get why you're so upset. Let’s see: Amplitube 5 isn’t even out yet Amplitube 4 is a decent product, in an ever more crowded market of decent amp sims; most people who like it (and I like some of it) think it’s up there with other good choices, nothing more, nothing less IK’s product line comes up for sale often enough at heavily discounted prices, as you know better than anyone here IK’s business model (somewhat similar to other larger companies) heavily favors bringing in new customers over rewarding loyalty; this is reflected in often mediocre upgrade/crossgrade offers compared to buying into the system (or picking up only the stuff you like during sales); this is even more evident when you consider what second-hand licenses routinely go for, despite the license transfer fee. Add up the above and, if the current offer offends you, it seems an easy choice to just wait. Wait until it’s released, try it out, see if it’s worth the hype, decide what you like and what you don’t like about it, figure out what it’s worth to you, buy, pass, or wait for a sale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, cclarry said: .they boned me again... And you are complaining old man ?...... I already got my coat ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, fitzroy said: I think it’s no secret that I don’t like IK as a company, nor much of their business model, nor their reps. I wouldn’t comment on this topic, but I do because it’s you, and well, you ARE the king and I need you to be happy; heck, BF is around the corner ? I'm not sure I get why you're so upset. Let’s see: Amplitube 5 isn’t even out yet Amplitube 4 is a decent product, in an ever more crowded market of decent amp sims; most people who like it (and I like some of it) think it’s up there with other good choices, nothing more, nothing less IK’s product line comes up for sale often enough at heavily discounted prices, as you know better than anyone here IK’s business model (somewhat similar to other larger companies) heavily favors bringing in new customers over rewarding loyalty; this is reflected in often mediocre upgrade/crossgrade offers compared to buying into the system (or picking up only the stuff you like during sales); this is even more evident when you consider what second-hand licenses routinely go for, despite the license transfer fee. Add up the above and, if the current offer offends you, it seems an easy choice to just wait. Wait until it’s released, try it out, see if it’s worth the hype, decide what you like and what you don’t like about it, figure out what it’s worth to you, buy, pass, or wait for a sale. All true...but I've always kept Amplitube (being a Guitar player, first and foremost) up to date... For sure, I could opt out and wait, but then maybe have to pay full price if there is no sale, or have to wait 6 months before there is. You can rest assured this will NOT be in the BF sales... or even the Holiday Sales. 5 minutes ago, InstrEd said: And you are complaining old man ?...... I already got my coat ? And DOOOON'T YOU FORGET IT!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSMcGuitar Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Pete Royle said: There seems to be a limit on Jam Points of up to 30% of the purchase price. Have you factored that in? Yes, like Grem said... I was able to use $45 of my jam points 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, cclarry said: They would HAVE to give you new IR's for your existing collections 'Legacy" cabinets wouldn't they, or am I just KRAZY? I am not a programmer Larry, but I think the easiest way to do it would be to include all the new and updated IR in with the VIR technology, not an actual IR file, but calculations in the VIR tech. When it's told to load a certain file, it will apply the calculations already in the code to that file and out comes the "New and Improved" IR. Don't hold me to it now, but I think that's how they are doing it. Edited October 31, 2020 by Grem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Grem said: I am not a programmer Larry, but I think the easiest way to do it would be to include all the new and updated IR in with the VIR technology, not an actual IR file, but calculations in the VIR tech. When it's told to load a certain file, it will apply the calculations already in the code for that file and out comes the "New and Improved" IR. Don't hold me to it now, but I think that's how they are doing it. I know exactly what you are saying, and I started to add that to my post, but NO... you can't "magically" take an existing IR, captured in a specific Mic Location, and create new mic positions! THAT would require "new" IR's to properly capture those positions. So, as you said, they are most likely using "Mumbo Jumbo" methods of "psycho acoustic simulation" if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Grem said: I don't think this is accurate. I believe that if what your saying is correct, then they would be selling different versions of the collections, depending on which version of AT your getting it for. And that doesn't make sense! A new buyer will buy AT5. Likes it and wants the JH Collection. Do you really think that the JH collection will not allow him to have the 'new and improved' VIR technology? Come on, think about this for a minute. It has already been said that anything you already own will run on the new engine, Even the SE version! [edit] And anything you will buy will run on the new engine. Something tells me, if IKM did do any work or updates on the collections, they would be advertising the hell out of it and putting it in bold somewhere that the collections are all updated (remastered or revamped -- whatever buzz word they want to use!) for AT 5 and state that that's another good reason to upgrade from AT 4 to AT 5. But thee fact that it's not really mentioned anywhere makes me think nothing was done on them. They are essentially the exact same software collections you had all along, you just get the privilege of using them now in AT 5 and match those amps in those collections with the new VIR cabs and speakers that come in AT 5. That's a far cry from "remastered" and "revamaped". It just might sound remastered when used through AT 5, but you should not have to pay an upgrade price -- it is the same collection you had all along. (I might be wrong). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, cclarry said: I hope you're right. Peter said that they would RUN, and didn't have to "specifically be upgraded"...he didn't say that they would ACTUALLY GET the NEW stuff... By his wording, it doesn't sound like they get upgraded with the "new stuff", but rather that they would "RUN"... Yes, this is also how I am interpreting Peters posts. Hence my accusation that he's ***** footing around and not giving straight answers. Whatever.. this is looking like a dead end for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telecode 101 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Greg said: Got it. I also have everything except for satriani. I think the sold downside is that to SE is that there is some new gear not included. AFAIK The PDFs on the info page (at last look) also include AT4 gear so it’s hard to tell exactly what is new for AT5 that is different between the SE and regular. whats new is under the"whats new" section of the AT 5 page on their site. 2 stomp boxes, 5 amps, 1 cab.. and then updates to GUI and bits of Mixbox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, cclarry said: they are most likely using "Mumbo Jumbo" methods of "psycho acoustic simulation" if that is the case. Yes. The only alternative is like you say, is to include NEW WAV files for all existing cabs. And that may not be out of the realm of possibilities. Edited October 31, 2020 by Grem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwise Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I was considering getting another tube preamp, but after seeing the news, going AXE I/O + AT5MAX route seems to be a better option. I'm genuinely impressed with the tone of AT5: https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/amplitube5/index.php?p=audio Given that IK developers have finally addressed cab modelling that was AmpliTube's Achilles heel as well as inconvenient routing, we might have a new champ in the amp modelling market. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 what I can't understand is why @Peter - IK Multimedia is even allowing @cclarry to buy a licence ? Follow my logic... This is basically Larry's forum - it only really exists because of all the hard work he put in - I don't know how much revenue he generates for the companies whose deals he posts....I do know that he has PERSONALLY cost me a small fortune ? IKM regularly use this forum to sell their products....They gain access to a massive group of people who are hungry for deals...and that is 100% down to Larry...and yet he is still required to BUY a licence. People get NFR licences just by have a couple of views on youtube ....... C'mon IKM, do the right thing here, it doesn't cost you a penny. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, simon said: what I can't understand is why @Peter - IK Multimedia is even allowing @cclarry to buy a licence ? Follow my logic... This is basically Larry's forum - it only really exists because of all the hard work he put in - I don't know how much revenue he generates for the companies whose deals he posts....I do know that he has PERSONALLY cost me a small fortune ? IKM regularly use this forum to sell their products....They gain access to a massive group of people who are hungry for deals...and that is 100% down to Larry...and yet he is still required to BUY a licence. People get NFR licences just by have a couple of views on youtube ....... C'mon IKM, do the right thing here, it doesn't cost you a penny. Yeah...I'll hold my breath for that...LOL ? (They probably hate me for pointing out the flaws in their marketing...LOL) Edited October 31, 2020 by cclarry 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Fleer said: I’m a group buy guy and I’m OK. Hi, I'm Chris and I'm too a chronic group buy regular. Thanks for having me in your group, and yeah... see you at next session! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 4:06 AM, Marc Cormier said: But I also want to hear - officially - that this dark magic applies to that same AT4 stuff and not just the new stuff in AT5 MAX: Industry-standard sound with DSM™ (Dynamic Saturation Modeling) and VRM™ (Volumetric Response Modeling) technologies for Hyper-Realistic emulation of real world gear and the best sounding models Dynamic Response Modeling provides real amp response and feel — models dynamic relationship and interaction between power amp and speakers, plus physical and harmonic interaction between individual speakers, cabinet and room construction and mics All i know is that all those made the tapes an industry in sound , but also in cpu hit ...ouch ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 If AT5 CS doesn’t “unlock previous purchases”, I’m out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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