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Recording from Line 6 Helix LT sums to mono in Sonar CW
mettelus replied to Matt Rowson's topic in Cakewalk Sonar
Excellent. Thank you for posting the solution. Best of luck with everything! -
I think I dodged the bullet on this one. I never set up junctions for Melda, and always had samples go to my F drive since day 1. I didn't realize you cannot change those locations after the fact
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Nice testament of what can be done with things when you get creative and keep things organic. Younger people have gotten used to DAWs and sound isolation (nothing but the instrument... we will add the space later); but back in the day the recording space, stuffing mics into pillows, throwing jackets over amps lying on their backs, and being creative with the tone chasing was where the fun was (and still is IMO). [Stupid side note, but this made me laugh so much I had to share it] OMG, I was literally laughing when I read Slash's quote about Rocks from Wikipedia! "I was in seventh grade and just going through the whole 1978 music thing that was happening for kids – which was like Cheap Trick and the Cars. Anyway, there was this chick that I was going after that was considerably older than me ... I'd been trying to be cool enough to take her out and have my way with her ... Finally, I sort of weaseled my way into her apartment. So we're hanging out and she put Rocks by Aerosmith on, and I was mesmerized by it. It was like the be-all-and-end-all, best-attitude, *****in' hard rock record ... I'd grown up with music, but this was like my record. I must have listened to it about half a dozen times, completely ignored her, and then got on my bike and rode. I was totally in there. I was at least gonna get a decent French kiss out of it, and I completely dropped the ball for Aerosmith, and that was that. It's probably one of the records that sums up my taste in hard rock bands to this day. Meanwhile, she's out there somewhere and I missed it. But it was worth it" Totally blew her off to listen to Rocks, then "got on his bike and rode"... he was in 7th grade!!!
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Recording from Line 6 Helix LT sums to mono in Sonar CW
mettelus replied to Matt Rowson's topic in Cakewalk Sonar
Maybe one of the reasons I am confused is the OP picture. Sonar is recording a "stereo" track, so that leads me to believe that is what is coming out of the HELIX and is what SONAR is seeing (2 channels, identical or not). The interleave button as @Base 57 mentioned above is also something to check (especially if a track will not pan). If Sonar is truly seeing only one channel, another quick check is to "Bounce to Track(s)" that track in the OP and choose "Split Mono." This will create two mono tracks with the left and right channels separated. If you then phase invert one of those channels (on the track view) and solo those two tracks, they will sum to nothing when played back if truly identical.... when you said "slight differences" between channels, they should sum to "something." My concern is that some effects convert to "stereo" by simply duplicating a mono track left and right with a very minute delay between them. Again, the same test with a factory preset with obvious left/right differences will immediately point out if there is a handshake issue between the HELIX and Sonar (if that sums to zero, the bakers on both sides of the fence may need to get involved). Lastly, is this a factory preset you are using or one you created or downloaded? I can check it out this weekend on mine if I know which preset/snapshot it is or can load it. If it is one you modified or downloaded, they are small, so you can attach them to a post here. I just need the preset/snapshot from it where you are seeing this problem to test it on my end. I downloaded a Dan Huff preset with >1000 5-star ratings a couple weeks ago and literally cannot get it to output anything unless the input to path 2A is the guitar (bypassing half the FX chain and making it useless)... an obvious bug with porting it forward, so I was planning to dissect/rebuild/tweak that this weekend anyway. Checking out another preset along the way won't be a big deal if you want me to test it on my end. -
This always comes to mind for me when AmpleSound updates are needed... first you have to download the correct installer Mac or PC (which includes 2 variants in the zip), unpack those, install them all manually and separately (and choose the proper VST2 folder), then check to see if new libraries are needed, then clean up all the downloads. Updating typically takes an hour I wish they had an installer! Then you just log in, see what things you own that need updating and it can all just happen while you go grab more coffee and be done with it.
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Recording from Line 6 Helix LT sums to mono in Sonar CW
mettelus replied to Matt Rowson's topic in Cakewalk Sonar
For the ASIO part, here is something else to try. Windows has been terrible with letting the first app that needs audio to take control of a device and this wreaks havoc on audio interfaces. Start with the HELIX on and plugged into the computer with HX Edit open. Then open "Sound Settings" in the Windows search bar, and click "Sound Control Panel" in the upper right. In that popup, set the Realtek as the default device for playback, that way the audio interface can only be used by an app that you choose to let see it (not Windows). Then highlight the HELIX and click on Properties. On the "Enhancements" tab at the top, make sure "Disable all sound effects" is checked, then on the "Advanced" tab be sure the default format matches your project and that both items in the "Exclusive Mode" box are unchecked. Just for good measure, in the "Spatial sound" tab, make sure that is off. Apply those changes and open Sonar and see if you can shift modes to ASIO then. I always start the HELIX, open HX Edit, then start the DAW. HX Edit is far simpler for me when sitting at a computer (no need to bend over to tweak knobs/buttons when you can do it with a mouse), but now I am sort of wondering if that should be open anyway to force the HELIX to be talking to the computer properly. Even in WASAPI mode as long as the drivers are loaded it should work fine. A quick check would be another patch that has an obvious ping pong delay or rotary in it so the channels coming from the HELIX are clearly different. Some patches carried forward from other firmware versions (or downloaded from LINE6's site) do not always port to the newer firmware 100%, so slapping a ping pong delay on a factory patch would be best. As long as you have Firmware and HX Edit versions > 3.0, I think they all talk properly, but the newest version of both is always best. Also, have you tried the LINE 6 forums? Although some of us here have the HELIX, I have never seen your issue before (and it is really confusing me as to why). The LINE 6 community might have insight as well. -
Recording from Line 6 Helix LT sums to mono in Sonar CW
mettelus replied to Matt Rowson's topic in Cakewalk Sonar
How the OP is set up should be correct (online help here for hardware units), the only mono output from the HELIX is the DI out (USB 7). Quick clarification, are you recording a guitar into Cakewalk or re-amping? The image in the OP is confusing me because that track is in stereo, just both sides appear to be identical. The only other quick question is do you have HX Edit installed? The HELIX has its own ASIO drivers (included in HX Edit, and possibly an issue here), so I was wondering why you are using WASAPI Shared mode and not ASIO? -
This is also not a situation where you are trying to pull a fast one in any way. It is a one-off situation where you are trying to do someone a favor. I have reached out to vendors for similar in the past and they have accommodated such... it is those simple acts of kindness that define someone more than money ever could, in addition to the significant impact it could have for the recipient. [Stupid side note (and spoiler alert actually)] This theme is the reason Les Miserables is my favorite novel. Early on, the Bishop takes Jean Valjean in and feeds him as a guest (when no one else would), and the next morning Jean Valjean steals his silverware! When the police bring him back and ask the Bishop if he had been robbed, the Bishop goes back inside, brings forth a pair of silver candlesticks, hands them to Jean Valjean and says, "I forgot to give these to you." The brilliance was the Bishop did not lie, he just refused to answer the question and implied one, but that simple act of kindness changed Jean Valjean's life forever.
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I am inclined to agree with the above. IIRC, Z3TA+2 just needed the S/N and Registration Code to activate (no online requirement). What bound that to your account specifically was if you did an online registration of it (which was an option during installation or done directly with the Cakewalk registration server). If you never registered that one copy, then it is not tethered to anyone's account. Check your legacy account to be sure it is not listed there.
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This is another good point to let your friend know. SONAR versions have always been backwards compatible, so any projects he has will open with the newest version of the free-tier of Sonar. Only caveat with that is that SONAR 7 needs to be installed first, then the new Sonar free-tier (so that shared utilities needed for the new Sonar are updated properly). Different SONAR versions can exist side-by-side without issues, so he can fall back to SONAR 7 while adapting to the new GUI. The easiest way to learn the newer version is to open up an older file, save it with a new name (to keep the SONAR 7 version in tact), then work on things and learn as needed. This is far simpler than trying to learn "everything" that is new. Other benefits of this include all of the new features and bug fixes, with support for VST3 and Melodyne's ARA, so he can upgrade instruments and effects if desired in the future without issues.
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Depending on your setup and physical connections, you may need a virtual cable solution to expose Sonar outputs into Zoom. Some older apps that support this are from VB-Audio (with the Virtual Audio Cable, or V.A.C. being the most basic... other are listed at the top of that page). But OBS Studio is ramping up in popularity quickly because of all of the developers contributing to the project (that one is a good one to learn going forward as its capabilities expand). To your question, with a virtual output app running, Sonar will see that as an output, so what you want needs to be set to output there. On the Zoom side it will also be seen as an available input. Depending on how many outputs/inputs you are seeking (if you want to send Sonar AND a microphone to Zoom), you will need something with a virtual mixer (VB-Audio's VoiceMeeter, or again OBS Studio). Being new I would look at OBS Studio first... that can be a little complex at first since it will also capture video and such, but VoiceMeeter may be simpler for your situation (there are a lot of videos online for both apps with setting things up).
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LOL, exactly... hence the dependency on the app being used. Traditionally, lyrics are on musical scores in syllables (we have all seen them), so apps that either cater to Staff View specifically (or have it included) will use the timing of that meta data to sync the tracks properly. The Lyric View is just a parsed file of the lyric meta data (text file basically in most cases), and the OnesWhereTheyJamAllTheSyllablesTogether are not parsing it properly. Few actually use lyrics linked to the Piano Roll View, but there are notable exceptions like Synthesizer V and karaoke apps, where the melody is directly linked to the lyrics on a traditional Piano Roll View (since many find that easier to work with than Staff View).
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The bakers would need to confirm for sure, but one check you could do is pop the installation CD into a Win 10 machine and see what it says (you only need to see if the installation gets to the "Install" button, not actually install it). The only lockout that might come up is some installers check the O/S version and will not install to unknown versions (not sure if that is the case with SONAR 7 though, but easy to check). An optional bypass if that happens would be to image his current machine, install that image on the new one, get all registrations in order and then do the Win 10 upgrade to it. I am pretty sure SONAR 7 only had minimum Windows version requirements, but the bakers or installing from the CD on a current Win 10 machine would be the better answer. Also bear in mind any hardware he is using and be sure that Win 10 drivers exists or that the Win 7 drivers still function in 10. This wasn't as big a deal going from Win 7 to Win 10 as it was when installing Win 7. Win 7 required me to replace a few pieces of gear as they would not carry forward, but I did not have that issue going to Win 10.
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Lyrics are supported as meta events in the MIDI file structure, so you should be able to pass that data to/from apps that support the spec fully. Finding things on MIDI.org is a little challenging at times, but a guy from Stanford posted the file structure here if interested.
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Does anyone have overload issues in flstudio m4 max
mettelus replied to Malang's topic in Computer Systems
In addition to the above, Sonar only runs in a Windows environment, so the number of members savvy with Mac's is not incredibly high here. Your best bet is to jump into a forum specific to FL Studio 25 since your issue is specific to that on a Mac.
