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13 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

That tests the rendering engine, not the playback engine. While that's ultimately the "sound" of the DAW, it isn't necessarily the sound we hear during playback.

Exactly. I did a very in depth test one time on sampling frequencies. Iirc, on the soundcard I was using at the time, 48khz sounded best with the least amount if artifacts when rendering fx. This is especially evident when soloing reverb and listening to the trail end/fadeout of it.

The forum crashed shortly after I posted it on the old forum and all the posts for that day were lost. I never reposted it but I wish I did.

I had sound samples and listed the different daws I used. I got different results between Sonar, Reaper, and S1 Thats still internal.

IRT playback/monitoring real-time ... I can hear a difference in how they produce the sound you are hearing. Internally we can null test this and show there is no difference, but with real-time live monitoring there sure seems to be to my ears.

That said, I don't think I've ever heard a bad sounding daw, but I can hear a difference during monitoring/playback.

Sonar has always been my favorite. I only switched due to stability problems that apparently only applied to me (cough cough). All of my gear is boxed up. If I ever get back into music I may land back on the Sonar bandwagon.

I tried a dual monitor setup one time. Couldn't get used to it. I want to mount mine on the wall to free up desktop space. The distance would require me to get larger than 43".

Even gaming isn't an issue. I only dabble in one game. Fallout 4. I have an old rtx 3060 and I can run a rock solid 60Hz/4K with all Ultra settings (minus God rays and fog) on this old cheap TV I have. I can't complain whatsoever. Maybe if someone was doing online gaming and latency was critical, but I'm more than happy with working and the limited gaming I do on my cheap 43" Vizio.

The new Vizio Oleds tvs do 120hz in pc/gaming mode in 4k at a fraction of the price of a dedicated monitor. 

I use a 43" TV as my monitor. A lot of tv's now will run 4K 120hz native in pc/gaming mode. Mine will run 4k 60hz but I'm more than happy with it. 

5 hours ago, craigb said:

I hear Hulk Hogan has gone with Ozzy to provide security...

He was a musician so maybe they joined a band. He played bass. Chuck Mangione just died too. Ozzy on vocals, Hulk on bass, and Chuck on Trumpet. What a trio.

It depends. Sometimes it makes sense to pay more throughout the year so you owe less to the government in the end in taxes.

I'd have to guess that does not apply to the vast majority of audio software users so a that point it's personal choice.

I have never, and never will subscribe to anything for home use audio related.

I had to subscribe to a few things for my LLC and in the end ... it works out in my favor.

I'll switch back to tape and other hardware before I ever subscribe to a DAW and VST's, but I'm a sporadic user. I'm not in my studio every day like I used to be 

If you are a heavy home user, I can certainly see why someone would subscribe to Adobe or audio related stuff. I don't think people are wrong if they do is what I'm saying.

I think having a choice to buy or subscribe is great. I just worry about the slippery slope of sub only like Adobe.

2 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

RIP. She was a neighbor of one of my aunts. Not close friends, but acquaintances.

She was from NJ. One of the guys I used to work with was related to her. Cousins iirc.

She's on my random playlist all the time from that era of music I listen to. Sad to see her go.

It's hard to tell now days who will fill all these singers shoes from back in that era with all the autotune and AI. Back then, they hit record, the singers and musicians did their thing, and you got what you got. Pure and real.

21 hours ago, Wibbles said:

That's capitalism, baby!

Uh ... I didn't know the Chinese were a capitalist nation.

On 7/2/2025 at 1:40 PM, Wibbles said:

Purely for the hip action ( a frequent track in the Coffee House)

Postmodern Jukebox - All About That Bass

 

The woman in the red dress is Telly Savalas' daughter. He's mostly known for playing Kojak in the old TV series.

Being part "Native American", from both my parents, is one of the things I'm most proud of. Not that it matters what I think or feel, it just is what it is. My maternal great (don't know how many greats) grandfather was a Presbyterian Preacher from England that came here and married a full blooded Mohawk woman in the 1700's. I have a copy of a tintype photo of her when she looked to be 100. We were "colonized" so to speak a lot sooner than most people realize. Some established going back to the 1500's. Which begs the question, how far back do you go to correct wrongs, in any country, anywhere in the world? Am I due back rent on my ancestral territories? Just kidding, but when I think of everything this country has gone through over the last 249 years and the steady decline after WWII, hmm.

We are what we are and love us or hate us, we truly are the last stand. There's still vast parts of this country where common sense prevails and we know how to take care of ourselves. It may not appear that way from the outside because those people are silenced by the manipulation of numbers is larger areas, but we're still here, ready, willing, and able to defend the Republic. That's what America is. When it's not, then it's over. You won't see it by plane, or bomb, or invasion, it will happen from within.

3 hours ago, craigb said:

Bob's too nice.  Is it ok if I criticize rap?  😁

No. Sorry. This is a music related forum only. 

15 hours ago, fjz said:

From Wikipedia

There's an interview with him floating around out there somewhere where he talks about how and why he invented it for them. I think the company that made a VST out of the ADT effect put it out. That's where I first heard about it.

It sounds like they probably used it on some guitars too.

I disliked the Beach Boys long before I ever knew about session musicians and all that. Growing up, I always assumed the guys in the band were what I was hearing on the recordings. It wasnt until much later in life when I started reading about session musicians and then realized who I was actually hearing on the vast majority of hits from back in the day. At that point I gained a whole new respect for those that wrote and recorded their songs themselves.

The BB's always sounded slightly off key to me and that's partly why I don't like them. I think it's because there were too many similar voices competing for space? I don't know. They just don't appeal to my ears.

I never understood the comparison between the Beatles and them either.  There really is none. Two different animals that shouldn't be compared imo. Both are great to the masses and it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority think.

I saw a video recently with Gene Simmons who was dealing with a cocky interviewer. He shut the guy down and basically told him it doesn't matter what you and I think of a group, it matters what the people who do like them that pay them for their music thinks. Something to that effect. And he's right. He started rattling off names of old singers and the kid never heard of them and you could see Gene just wanted to slap him. It was funny. IOW I admit I'm in the minority with my dislike for their vocals and it doesn't matter what I think.

One dig on the Beatles is, they couldn't do vocals very well so they had an EMI engineer invent ADT so they wouldn't waste so much time on studio takes trying to get their double tracked vocals right.

Can you imagine the pressure on both of those groups to keep pumping out hits by the record labels at that time? I can see why Brian Wilson lost his marbles and Lennon ended up with Yoko. Lol.

I didn't watch the video, but I read an article about it. I think she's being a bit oversensitive about it. That said, a lot of people don't really give a flyin' hoot about the R&R Hall Of Fame so I've read.

I think I was there once at their museum or whatever it is. The only thing I can remember is seeing one of Bowie's costumes. And I don't know why I remember just that, I'm not a fan at all of his work.

Too soon? 😁

There's a lot of great younger indie artists out. I really like her, Sierra Ferrell and Charlie Crockett.

8 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

To address the matter of writing/playing all of their songs, well, it ain't as if The Beatles played everything on their own songs.

To me, the difference is they didn't hide it so to speak. Nobody with strings in their song sat there and did it themselves.

But the difference between the two groups is, one had professional studio musicians do most of the work, the other did it themselves and were closely involved in the process from start to finish.

And there's no right or wrong in regard to doing that. But more of my respect goes to The Beatles for the group hands on. At least at the beginning. As technology improved over their careers, then they changed. And eventually went back to the early days. 

The other thing for me that really turns me off about The Beach Boys is their involvement with certain people. I've read that one psyco inparticular actually co-wrote some of their hits but never received credit. Hard to say if that's true but there's no denying their involvement with him. 

And as I sit here typing this Please Please Me comes on and all I hear is the 4 of them. Messed up lyrics and all ... 🙂 listen close around 1:25. 🙂 You can hear the frustration in Lennon's voice when he does the first "Come on" after the mess up. 🙂

Thanks to my Columbia House membership way back in the day, I inadvertently ended up with dozens of 1st release CD's before the loudness wars. I'm probably sitting on a small fortune of CD's to the right buyer. I have the original CD release of Brothers In Arms among many others.

I haven't touched my DAW (for music) in several years. Seems I remember that whole lufs -14 (or whatever it was) is a nice sweet spot to shoot for.

What we consider proper was actually mastered for vinyl for various reasons. From the RIAA curve, to the turntable, to the pre-amp, and then the main stereo amp, it all seemed to be calibrated for a very particular level. Now there are no limitations of a mechanical form, so I can see how this ball started rolling. Plus, how much dynamic range is there really when you have two tiny speakers rammed an 1/8 inch from your eardrum like most do nowadays.

1 hour ago, 57Gregy said:

They're colluding with the power companies to get the stereo users to crank it up and use more electricity and raise their electric bills.

They just raised it 19% here in NJ. Kicks in at the end of the month.

As for masters, I hope it's the start of a new trend too. These days I listen to music I don't even particularly like just for the quality of the recording. 

The thing that sets McCartney and the Beatles apart is, they wrote and recorded their music themselves. Espwcially in the early years. They never had The Wrecking Crew backing them other than George Martin's input.

Sting was a good businessman, but a writing legend he is not ....

I never got all the fuss about them. Pet Sounds Vs. Sgt. Pepper ... uh ... no. Still sad to see a legend go though.

And I stand corrected again ... the new GPU's by Nvidia are PCIe 5. If you can get one, assuming you'd want one. They can keep their fake frames and fake fps @ thousands of dollars. No thanks. At the prices they are getting for those GPU's they should be able to render Blender and the Unreal 5 engine at 8K together in real-time while you're playing a game in my opinion.

I'm never going outside again. I'd die if I couldn't eat any of that. 

15 hours ago, Rain said:

Amusingly, I've had that song stuck in my head for the last two weeks because I happened to watch the 66 Batman movie

I knew I had heard that song somewhere but couldn't remember. I thought it was just because the melody is so similar to Can't Help Falling In Love With You. 

Now I want to watch a double feature of that and Munster Go Home. They go very well together.

Back in my oldies band days we did Can't Help Falling In Love With You. The rhythm guitar players wife's name was Shirley. We always changed it from "like a river flows, surely to the sea ..." to "... Shirley to the sea.". They never picked up on it, but the rest of us got a laugh out of it in a corny kind of way. She passed away a quite few years ago and he passed away a few months ago. Fond memories of a better time.

I say "oldies band days" but since moving back to NJ and helping my brother again with his business, I'm revisiting a lot of my old haunts working on machines part time for him. We do POS systems and Copiers. Every one of the bars and legion halls I've been to that still have bands said people just want to hear 50's, 60's, and 70's. I could call up the guys that are left from my old band, have a couple practices, and be playing out next weekend. Funny how it all comes back around.

Reminds me of the origins of Love Me Tender by Elvis. The music is near identical, but the lyrics are quite different. My brother found a 78 of Elvis' Love Me Tender at a yard sale one time. He framed it and has it hanging in his music room. It's not worth anything, but it's kind of cool to have Elvis on 78.

2 hours ago, OutrageProductions said:

If you create the art, you should own the art.

Not if you sign away your rights to it. It's pretty cut and dry, legal, and very common in the music industry. I remember reading that Paul McCartney wanted to buy the rights back to The Beatles music from Michael Jackson after they were sold to him and he said he wanted too much. I don't know if he ever got them back or not.

I haven't read about this, but you said she bought back her rights, which implies she gave someone else control when she signed a contract. She had no rights at that point.

Glad she was able to get them back though. Not bashing her or anyone for feeling wronged by this situation, but she must have signed a contract. And the fact she paid them and didn't sue them tells me she knew going in what the deal was.