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Thanks! Now you should post something of yours or PM it to me if you're more comfortable! I love hearing the music others we hang out with here are doing. Same for others here. We all post and interact about deals, but what drives all of us is a shared love of music. It doesn't matter what genre you play, where you live, your race, ethnicity, gender, your income, sexual orientation, politics, nationality -- we all have that love of creating music in common and I think it's beautiful how that bonds people and hopefully can break down some barriers that are best broken down. Oops, my idealism is showing. But I want to hear your music! It's not like anyone could be intimidated by my terrible playing and horrible voice (I never was a singer, I was a good drummer, a long time ago, not after my injury). I'm not going criticize anyone else's musical efforts. I prefer encouraging others.

Wait, I've shared so much, you're thinking of my tendonitis impacting how long I can play? That's super thoughtful. But even with my pain and terrible playing that would have made my (late) music teacher mother cringe, I still have this desire to want to play everything myself unless I can collaborate with another musician. Since I've started playing again last year, the only musician I've collaborated with is Greg Schlaepfer, Orange Tree Samples CEO, a fantastic pianist and bassist who was a music major in college. Greg redid my guitar parts after my MIDI controller started having problems and then added some additional parts for a demo I recently did for their Evolution Vintage Violin Bass, which features a Wurli -- which I think was the Scarbee library. It's a medley of me improving over the chord progression from McCartney's "Dear Boy" for the first 16 bars with my own improvised melody then goes into a song I wrote when I was around 13 years old that I always thought had a McCartney vibe -- especially the break where the strings come in. As I saw the medley as my little tribute to one of my greatest musical heroes, I told Greg to call the medley, "Dear Paul," a play on "Dear Boy." Note the Wurli starts the song. https://www.orangetreesamples.com/audio/PeterDeLegge-DearPaul.mp3

It absolutely was me saying that I loved glockenspiels (and played it a couple of times in the school band; I was mainly on snare drum, but because piano was my first instrument when the kid who played glockenspiel missed a practice, the band director would have me fill in). That experience made me forever love the instrument.

It's so nice to know that I'm not the only one in love with Wurlis. It's an overshare and I'll delete it (so I am asking people to please not quote this post-- also because it's way too much personal info), but I grew up the son of a music teacher who worked for the Wurlitzer company and we owned a Wurli when I was a kid and I was in love with it. My three siblings and I had a family band that played around Chicago that included a Wurli when we were kids. While piano was my first instrument, I was the youngest of 4 kids and my two sisters were both incredibly more experienced and talented keyboardists and decided I should play drums. So I didn't play the Wurli in our band, but I played it solo all the time for fun and writing original songs as a kid. Unfortunately, my three siblings all passed on young, and I suppose this instrument has these very deep psychological connections for me that go beyond logic. I have accumulated a bunch of Wurli libraries -- I have at least 8 that I can think of, most of them in KONTAKT format, and the SoundPaint one I later regretted buying (even though it was cheap, here I am only several weeks later ready to buy another Wurli library). Researching the Wurli trademarks for AcousticSamples after some con artist was trying to extort him falsely claiming they owned the Wurli trademark was actually pretty fascinating to me, and, in some ways, a trip down memory lane.

No comment whatsoever. Even this really isn't a comment. Nope. Never happened. Besides, the original Larryland idea came from Fleer. So it was really Fleer's idea. Yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

That's beautiful, Antler. Nice job and in addition to your great job on the songwriting and playing (wait, I just assumed you wrote this piece, did you?) the sample libraries sounds very nice. If the forum let us choose LOVE, I would have chosen that instead of like for your above post. I wish more of us would share our work with one another, especially when it's related to a sample library or plugin. I find it super useful to hear what one of my fellow forum members can do with the sample libraries and plugins we discuss here. Plus, I admit, after all of these posts with one another, I enjoy learning more about people -- and I'm a big believer in encouraging each other. What library/libraries did you use for the brass? 8Dio has their Intimate Studio Brass on their latest flash sale for $40 USD and I'm very tempted. https://8dio.com/products/intimate-studio-brass-kontakt-vst-au-aax?variant=41310043078856

These are the videos I've found most useful for assessing Session Keys W (Wurli) library. I'd love to get thoughts from my fellow Wurli lovers. I'd love to hear what my fellow Wurli lovers think of these preset demos and walkthroughs of e-instrument's Session Keys @W (Wurli) because I think e-instruments' audio demos on their website don't do a great job of showing off the library as well as these videos do. I'm still undecided whether to buy this very good Wurli sample library in my favorite sampler format (KONTAKT) or to buy the most amazing Wurli sample library I've ever heard -- AcousticSamples -- in a format I really don't enjoy (UVI) for almost twice the price (it's more than that now, but the dev told me that he's going to be doing a Black Friday sale and would even sell me the library in advance of that if I would promise to do a shootout audio and post it (I already created the project file using several other Wurli libraries I own). 10 Great Songs Played with a Wurli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmO24AgnN_c Preset Demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERNabt9n30 Employee presentation, interview and product demo:

Wow, sorry. This one was a massive fail. I think the developer handled this poorly. As I mentioned in my original post, I had completed the purchase, but I hadn't downloaded or installed it yet. To be super candid, I have three hard drives all near capacity and have to buy an additional one before I could download any more libraries or plugins and I didn't even look at the file size on this, I just figured I'd download and install it when I get an additional drive. Consequently, I had no idea about this screw-up on the developer's end and how poorly he's handling it. If it was my first experience with Karanyi (I've been a customer for a few years), it certainly would put a bad taste in my mouth. That email Doug received is a case study in how not to handle these kinds of problems. As a long time director of digital at numerous companies prior to founding my own dot com, the short version is that Karanyi made a mistake and the wisest strategy for them is simply to honor the purchases that went through and fix the problem so it doesn't keep happening, not try to up sell people who had every reason to believe they were getting Karanyi's promotion. That is a very bad idea, IMO, and the way he did that lacked any consideration of how the disappointed customer feels. In life, I'm an empath, but in business, even non-empaths are wise to behave like empaths when it comes to customer relations.

Aw, after getting trolled for by a new forum member for duplicating a deal, I looked at the first page then did a search and looked at the first post in Larry's thread for a sale on the pro version of this synth for sale recently. It was bumped to page one in the time it took me to write my original post. Only after seeing your comment made me think, Zolton must have posted the deal did I realize buried in that thread was Zolton's post with the deal. Credit goes to @Zolton for sharing the deal first. I tried my best! Be kind folks. But if you're not kind at least be super funny and not mean spirited. I'm sure by sharing this a lot of folks who didn't read the other thread for the PRO version on sale and scroll down to see the free deal will notice a thread just about the free deal. (FTR, I just found this deal at VI Control.)

DEAL EXPIRED Karanyi Minipol Synth Plugin Reg $49 USD, FREE With Code (below) A plugin from Karanyi. I just found the deal and don't have this synth plugin already and didn't install the freebie, so I really can't comment on how good it is, but I own several Karanyi KONTAKT libraries, and they're all pretty good. I think they're a quality developer of synth sample libraries and now they have a synth plugin and the demos sound very good to my ears. To get Minipol free, put it in your cart. It shows up for $9 USD here in the US, as it's currently on saie. When you go to your cart enter the discount code blackminipol DEAL EXPIRED and the price will change to zero. The info from the dev is below along with the link to the site. - Peter "Meet our very first virtual instrument, Minipol – a powerful virtual analog synthesizer with a lot of fun and a unique Smart Random feature! Recreate classic analog keys, chunky 80s basses, kick-***** house stabs, or design massive soundscapes, modern plucks, or analog effects in no time. Quality sound engine, straightforward design, super intuitive workflow: this is Minipol, the swiss-army-knife of the analog sound. Minipol is available for Mac and Windows as VST3, Audio Unit, and standalone versions. The plugin version will run with all the major* DAWs such as Ableton, Cubase, Logic, Studio One, Reaper, and more. * Pro Tools is not supported * Logic on M1 Macs are not supported" https://karanyisounds.com/product/minipol/

David Hillowitz is seriously good at putting together YouTube videos and he has the quality of a voice over professional on top if it.

If only I had Photoshop skills....If anyone does, we need an image to go along with Electric Ladyland. We can surprise Larry with it when he returns from his trip. He can use it on SoundCloud. Okay, any Hendrix fan either imagined the album title I'm parodying and laughed or pressed hide for future posts from me.

How about Electric Larryland?

It just struck me that I've never seen a post from anyone who has e-Instruments W (Wurli) library. If you're there, I'd love to hear from you with positive, negative or neutral feedback on the library.

Okay, VI Control has a slogan, we need one too. How about these: 1) Sample addicts helping sample addicts 2) A community of friendly sample hoarders enabled by their friend Larry

I meant to write I would do terribly as an influencer. But there's a caveat on the Fluffy Audio Trio Broz library. It is beautifully scripted and sounds great. However, I have never found any way to get it to play sustained notes polyphonically. That is, to my knowledge it can only play one note sustain articulations at a time. While it has a beautiful legato and other articulations sound great too, I really wish I could play sustains with two notes. I also wish the developer would have responded to my support ticket. He always seems super friendly in the forum. I will try to contact him again next sale, because if he has a good sale on the Trio Broz Cello and it has polyphony, I probably would buy it. @Christian Jones, you own some Fluffy libraries, do you know if the violin sustains allow polyphony?

Yikes, I had a major autocorrect snafu in my above post that I missed. I was just having a laugh that I would do terribly as an influencer because I feel compelled to be honest and detailed. Behind the scenes I have had developers tell me off for critical posts over the years.

Okay, now I have to check it out! Seriously. How do you rate their Wurli? Yeah, everyone knows how obsessed I am with Wurlis now. The dev sounds so familiar I may have bought this several years ago. Are these very detailed libraries? The demos do sound good.

Thanks for the suggestions, @Craig N. Funny when I shared views like this regularly that I know won't be popularly embraced to a small group of Facebook friends that I label "Peter's Unpopular Opinion of the Day." Because I realize half or more of my friends are going to disagree with me-- and we're all good with that in my group of friends I start out with a smile about it. But I appreciate that can happen here in the wild. The dev did try to persuade me to get VReeds, but I have a small budget. But everything I've heard, AcousticSamples seems to be a superb developer. I have nothing but respect for him. I remember Purgatory Creek from a long time ago. I probably bought something from them. I think I'm just going to buy e-Instruments Wurli. It's only $33 USD and I have their upright piano library and a couple others and they're all very good.

You're completely right and of course, something that sounds great in isolation may not work in a mix. But I am very drawn to sounds that inspire me when I play. So I suppose I'm a sucker for beautiful sounds.

Yeah. I don't have Falcon and I've seen a lot of love for that here. I just have the freebie UVI and some of the synths. a piano and Mello.

BTW, let me make it clear that I like the AcousticSamples developer and I've never heard a Wurli sample library demo that sounds as good as his Wulie library. I spent an hour last night doing trademark searches and giving him free advice because I felt terrible for what some charlatan was doing to him. So anyone looking at Wurli's all my research leads to me believe this dev has a great library; probably (based on demos alone) the best one on the market, IMO. Is it worth more than twice the cost of e-Instruments very good sounding KONTAKT library largely due to anti piracy costs AcousticSamples faces from iLok? That's up to the buyer.

@Craig NI greatly appreciate your weighing in with an intelligent opposing view stated respectfully. Hopefully we can serve as an example to others. I think you missed that I am not only empathetic to these developers, I know what it's like to deal with piracy as a manager and business owner. In the two examples I shared, I spent time giving these developers advice that would have cost them money. I became friends with one and I get along very nicely with with the other. What I was expressing was the observation that small developers sometimes become obsessed with piracy and that their obsession can result in a poorer user experience and significantly increased costs for legimate user. This isn't about my having resentment. I have a bunch of iLok plugins. I buy them. But I wish I didn't have to. I think it's a bad strategy for a small sample library developer to be willing to sacrifice a better user experience because they are so absorbed with piracy. In the end, a developers' approach to the war on piracy is financed directly by me, the user, and when they make a choice of their obsession with piracy being more important than user experience and I can see a high portion of the cost of a library going towards that obsession, I think they are making a mistake. I'm certainly not saying ignore piracy, I'm saying that the user experience should be prioritized over piracy efforts and I think that it sometimes is not the case.

As the forum is receptive to folks going on tangents. I'll share a little of the conversation I had with the AcousticSamples dev about KONTAKT and it reminds me of some of the epic debates another sample developer and I used to have on VI Control maybe 15 or so years ago. This developer, not AcousticSamples, but the one I used to debate with, would regularly do over the top posts about how pirates were killing his sales of his KONTAKT libraries. He even made one really infamous thread where he wrote that software piracy was destroying his marriage. I had replied with compassion for his being stressed about low sales, but asked him some basic diagnostic questions and found that he really had no marketing or promotional efforts for his business. He wasn't doing advertising, PR, YouTube videos, working with the media/influencers, etc. He got upset with me -- even after I shot him a PM with quick tactics he could do right away to increase sales. He shared with me that he was spending a great deal of his days focused on piracy. I replied, this goes against everything you're thinking right now, but just entertain the idea of ignoring pirates for right now and put together a strategy focused purely on the legitimate buyers of sample libraries. He was incredibly resistant to the idea and told me I was clueless on piracy. Time went by and we became friends and he realized that I was in his corner and hated piracy too, I just saw things differently and in a manner that was more helpful for a successful business than spending a significant portion of your time on something that in the end, will not yield more profit to the business. So, back to the AcousticSamples developer, I was making the case that, IMO, and I am not a software engineer, but I have managed some very major corporate websites and digital marketing that get more than 10 million unique visitors in the month -- with budgets over $10 million USD and working with some of the best user experience designers in the business and in my experience UVI has a less than good user experience and iLOK makes users pay a lot of money to fight piracy and I don't like the idea that so much of my money is spent on developers' who obsessively focus on piracy instead of making a better user experience. Anyhow the dev made clear that he will never create libraries for KONTAKT and he can't afford to sell his library as inexpensively as KONTAKT developers due to iLOK fees. I think he's probably a top notch developer. I wish he would switch to KONTAKT. From the demos, it sounds to me like he's made the best sounding Wurli library I've ever heard. I spent an hour last night helping him deal with this Wurlie trademark scam. So I do care about indie developers. But in the end, I think I'm going to be buying e-instruments KONTAKT library, because to be perfectly frank, I so dislike the UVI user experience, I almost never use my UVI plugins/libraries. But otherwise, if you like UVI's system and you want to pay more money because you believe they're winning the war on software piracy, pay that extra money and suffer a worse user experience for the privilege of feeling like it's winning against piracy. For me, customer focused companies choose the user experience for paying customers over becoming obsessed with fighting piracy. There is a legitimate market out there. Me and a lot of people will never use pirated software or libraries. I've turned down dozens of NFRs from small devs I've given advice to. I don't appreciate when they prioritize their obsessions with piracy over legit users, I think it's the wrong choice and I don't really want to fund that obsession. That said, from decades of consulting to software companies, I do realize that even some well known composers have gotten caught with pirated software and improperly going beyond licensing terms having multiple employees using libraries that should have been using additional licenses. But, as a user and as a business person, I believe in prioritizing paying users of obsessing over piracy, especially for one man sample developer businesses.

As I mentioned, and I want to restate it so no one is disappointed. I find 8Dio's scripting of the library disappointing. However, for the price it's now at, if I didn't already own it, I would buy it. I am unaware of any other string library with this kind of detail/depth and quality, so there are no peers in that sense. See, this is one of the many reasons, I would be terrible as an influencer. [EDIT: I wrote that poorly the first time. I meant to say that influencers don't keep the cash rolling in if they give totally honest reviews, they're trying to sell stuff and I am too compelled to be as open as possible, which would be disastrous for an influencer.] EDIT: I had praised a Fluffy Audio library for its scripting, which I like a lot. But after some experiences with terrible behavior from the developer that I've since learned from one well-known industry contractor and one influencer that this developer has a history of problematic behavior I can no longer recommend them.