PavlovsCat

If there's one recommendation I get for effects plugins from audio pro friends over and over, it's to buy FabFilter plugins. But they're certainly not cheap.

I'm pretty happy quality wise with even some of the SD libraries older than that. While I resent their customer unfriendly practices like refusing upgrade pricing for SD2 -- which is just plain strange and stubborn beyond the customer disloyalty-- I still find they make my absolute favorite sounding drum libraries. Their sensibilities for a lot of their drum libraries are closer to the way mine were when I worked as a drummer than BFD or most AD2 libraries (but I use AD2 a good deal and own most of their AdPaks.

See. I told all of you!!!

I've still been PMing with the AcousticSamples Wurlie developer, he tells me he has a Black Friday sale coming up. I might even be able to get the scoop on Larry! I kid, I kid. That's extremely rare. Larry is the man!

I should have picked up Independent when there was a killer deal flash sale on it last year. That's the next library of theirs I want. And for them to bring back upgrade pricing for SD2 customers. They are easily the most customer disloyal plugin maker in the industry.

The deal is up now. But I can't make a purchase until Larry posts if it's cheaper somewhere or if there's a code. The worst thing is when I've made a purchase only to revisit a thread and see Larry beat the deal or found some code. I'm not even kidding!

I think you made a pretty fair analysis. I definitely think the volume spikes of the SoundPaint Wurli are "broken. " Hopefully, they pulled it off the market to fix it and could improve the sound and dynamics. That would be a wonderful surprise and I'd be the first to share that news.

Nothing to see here.

The individual registered a trademark for a sports entertainment business for Wurlitzer and went to the developer who owns AcousticSamples and tried to persuade him to give him money to license the name Wurly claiming he is the heir to the Wurlitzer founder, Rudolph Wurlitzer and owns the rights. That's enough to realize it's almost certainly a scam. However, I searched the USPTO database and found what I already expected, Gibson, who acquired Baldwin, and subsequently the rights to Wurlitzer (Bakdwin bought Wurlitzer before Gibson acquired Baldwin). The Wurlitzer trademark for musical instruments and jukeboxes has long been owned by Gibson. The person trying to swindle the developer claimed to own the intellectual property rights to Wurly, but those were sold to Baldwin maybe 40 years ago (I don't recall the year, but it was in the realm of decades ago), then transferred to Gibson long ago and now Wurly is presently a dead trademark. I also found a small sample developer named Adam Monroe who obviously never consulted a trademark attorney registered the name Wurlitzer to use for his sample libraries. I find his effort less than good ethics and would never buy this guy's libraries after realizing what he tried to do. But he wasted his money and Gibson could easily sue him and win damages if they tried. They just probably never noticed him. But it's sleezy intellectual property infringement and yes you can register a trademark that someone else has the rights to and later be sued for intellectual property infringement. A USPTO registration only provides a dated record you made a trademark claim. So to cut to the chase, the professed heir to the Wurlitzer family trademark is obviously a scammer as the rights to the Wurlitzer trademarks were bought by Baldwin then it was bought by Gibson long ago. The Wurlitzer trademark remains live, registered by Gibson and a bogus registration by this Adam Monroe character. Then this guy trying to scam the developer registered a trademark on Wurlitzer that doesn't even apply to musical instruments and Gibson let its Wurly trademark expire in 2012. But they could always sue someone using the name for trademark infringement based on a common law trademark claim. I'm not a lawyer, just a very experienced marketing and business strategy exec that has been involved in a lot of trademark and copyright registrations and some related legal matters. I know the area well enough that Interpol quotes me as an expert on international intellectual property law in their documentation. But it's nothing I'd put in my bio or resume.

I knew I recognized the knobs on your avatar (wow, does that sound like some kind of convoluted double entendre....) . The only band I ever played in with a Wurli was my childhood band with my siblings, and I was the drummer, as my sisters were older and vastly superior keyboardists. So we had a Wurli in our living room and I took piano, organ and drum lessons as a kid (and later guitar lessons) and loved playing the Wurli. But every band I played professionally as an adult that had an electric piano, it was a Rhodes. So I have lots of memories with the various Rhodes models, but the Wurli has these super deep family memories that probably adds another dimension to when I hear that sound today. I suppose nostalgia is no small factor here.

I know this thread is about organic synths, but are there any gluten free ones here? I'll show myself out.

I think maybe we should start some kind of a Wurli fan group. Okay, that sounds like some kind of weird fetish. I appreciate that I'm not alone in my love of the Wurli.

I was referring to the Wurli in the library that comes with SampleTank 4. I'm pretty sure that was from 200A, the 120 sounds a lot different. But I went to VI Control and tagged Troels to ask why he removed his Wurli from the SoundPaint site and mentioning the individual making claims he's a descendant of Rudolph Wurlitzer and owns the rights to the Wurli name. So why did I post that publicly? I thought it would be good to get the word out in case this person tries to scam other developers. I'll update this thread if I hear back from Troels unless he contacts me privately and wants the matter to remain private.

Me personally, I'm all about the 200A, which is what we had in our living room when I was a kid that I fell in love with. However, the 206A, which AcousticSamples sampled, I am told, has the same internal mechanics and sound as the 200A, but was Wurlitzer's student model. I didn't know about it until the dev told me all about it. But, as he states, it sounds identical. I am aware that Hammer + Waves library someone mentioned earlier was for Wurlitzer's 140b. But that dev had another library that sampled the 200A. (Clearly Wurlitzer had their engineers coming up with these product names and not branding pros.)

@Scott HI just noticed that your avatar is an image of an electric piano. Is that a Wurli? Did I find someone as obsessed with Wurlis as me? It's far TMI, but as the son of a late music teacher who grew up with a bunch of instruments my siblings and I played, I'm pretty much in love with all of them. The Wurli, a baby grand piano, a Les Paul, a Leslie speaker, my first drum kit (a Camco made a 10 minute drive from my childhood home)....so these days I buy all that stuff in sampled form. To me Wurlis are pure magic. I have been begging my friend Greg Schlaepfer (Orange Tree Samples) to make one that's at the same level as the Famous E -- the best Rhodes library on the planet (even Sound on Sound's review gave it its highest rating and stated it's "probably" the best Rhodes sample library that exists) made in cooperation with one of the all time studio musician greats, Jay Graydon. Now they need to do it for the Wurli. Except Jay isn't a Wurli fan. Consequently, if someone has a Wurli 200A in great shape, please get it to Orange Tree Samples! But until that day, I think that AcousticSamples dev has the best Wurli library that my ears have heard. The SOS review of Orange Tree Samples Famous E. If you love electric pianos, that is a must, IMO. Exact quote: "Orange Tree Sample’s Famous E may be the best virtual Rhodes you can buy." https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/orange-tree-samples-famous-e-electric-piano

I agree with everything you wrote, well, right up until your compliment. Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you wrote you enjoyed my terrible playing. I kid. I kid. Thanks.

Does anyone who has it want to weigh in? The demo sounds pretty good and it says essential on the tin, so clearly we all must get it, right?

My wife also doesn't appreciate The Peanuts and tells me with our kids being too old (teenagers) I have to move on. Never!!! Also, Lucy is a monster!!! (Do I win for most off topic comment of all time? Okay. I'll get back on track. )

Unrelated, we have a Peanuts special on and Schroeder appears to be playing "Moonlight Sonota" but his tiny hands are only in one octave while the part you hear clearly has notes in multiple octaves. YOU LIE, PEANUTS!!!! It might be slightly off topic, but I think it's important to note that all along Linus may have indeed been using a prerecorded track. None of his playing is live! (Hey, everybody goes on tangets here. I thought this one might get a laugh, but it will probably only get a laugh from mostly Americans and Canadians who get the references. )

Maybe you can post that info in thus thread or link to it to make sure all the Wurli fans stay in the loop. It goes without saying (why does this saying even exist???) that I'm interested.

AcousticSamples put their Wurlie back up after the party that contacted him was found to be a scam artist. IMO, based on demos, that is the most amazing Wurli sample library I know of. I suppose next year I'll end up buying that one too and update the shootout. https://www.acousticsamples.net/wurlie

@chris.r If you could take a spin through your SoundPaint Wurli and share your thoughts I think it would make this thread even more valuable. @Jason NeudorfI have listebelistened to their Tubed Wurli library demos many times and while I own most of their piano libraries, the Wurli demos tell me enough that I think it wouldn't be what I'm looking for. But I appreciate the suggestion and I have been a SampleTekk customer for two decades and think Per is a very talented developer, a super nice person and treats his customers great. His acoustic piano libraries are fantastic bargains right now.

And I deserve that. I was sincere when I posted about it and I feel bad that I posted that all excited over the aggressive patch. So if you only use that one patch, I think it's well worth 5 bucks, right? Although if it has that volume spike when you record, then no. It might be a Cakewalk related issue.

And the people pleaser that is me is thinking, crap, I hope Troels doesn't see this. Because we got along great in our only conversation many years ago. I don't want to ruin that memory, but I also enjoy discussing sample libraries honestly too.

But I'll say this plainly, the SoundPaint Wurli library is really poor. Except for one patch that's super heavily distorted, it's not like playing even a mediocre present day KONTAKT Wurli library. It's like playing a Soundfont library from the 90s. Playing it is more disappointing than listening to it in my shootout. That doesn't do justice to how disappointing the library is.