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Nothing change. If you use ctrl +alt + mouse wheel you change only the "view" of the track, not the large in db of the track. You change also the scale how you can see in the left part from the wave form. I was talking about the second. How you can see in this photo, track 9 enlarged, the -10 range where this effect(who use this effect use similar values often) is out from the wave form.

I've answered to my starting question. The range where i was working in, with the effect, didn't touch the wave form. That was the reason of the "apparent" problem. I don't want make confusion. Another separate discussion but connected would be: why the tracks were so thin? And i should analize the "source" of sound. I've recorded with an electric guitar, Stratocaster, directly connected in the guitar input of an Evo 4 Soundcard. This is the first time that i make this experiment. The sound is nice.. and so .. with mastering and mixing(putting up the volume of single tracks also) i've reached a good volume. The same. The fact is that: with acoustic guitar, connected directly on this input i had used, i have a much a bigger signal. With electric but with Vg 88 connected there also. Now i have to investigate why with this configuration i have a so weak signal. What can i do(if i can). (i mean "source" signal), not in the software.I I know that i can use apps and have an high volume the same.. etc but it's not the same thing. Asking this, is really important for me, because the "source" wich i work with depends on this . I told this just to complete because was really correlated with the final result. Obviously it's not a "cakewalk" subject, so.. i don't want to go "offtopic".

I mean all the tracks "thin", in my projest, except the 1st track that is "bigger". The first track is the only wich with the "command" normalize, worked, also with -10db level. Everybody can try to use that effect, with that setting, with a so thin track, will see that have no effect to the wave form, for obvious reason: don't touch the wave! When i talked about "normalizing", thinking that we are in a Cakewalk forum and it is an effect of Cakewalk, used for some different reason, i thought that would be not misanderstanding. Now i've written this to divide the first discussion: "normalize effect" : Process - Apply Effect - Normalize. and the second discussion: mastering in general app.. etcc... they are connected but not the same.

I quote myself just to continue: if anybody make me the question: if TH5 could have skipped the effect of normalization command? because is an amp and normalization had no effect for this? Answer:It wasn't like this. It wasn't the problem. Normalization command, applied in the way that i've explained, exactly following one Youtube video, work to the "original" track. Modify directly the original track. Mathematically change a part of the track, if the range selected say them to make this. In that case, simply: "normalization" command didn't have any effect to the original track. This happened. What happened? I used in a first moment -10db parameters. The original track was so thin itself that every try to change on the wave form, working on that range, didn't have effect. Didn't touch the wave form! Normalization "command" was my first question. I mean the "effect of Cakewalk". Process - Apply Effect - Normalize. When i tried to "normalize", with that effect, with a "stronger" level, normalizaton "command" worked perfectly. So... it's closed that part of discussion. We were taslking about the "effect" normalization, included in Cakewalk. In the higher part of the screen. After we talked more in general. Limiter, apps, EQ etc..

About LUFS for example: before was higher the value.. now i changed some settings and it should be more near the -14 raccomended value. I'm but how i said... i'm new subject for me.

It is a new part of working for me because i'm obviously not expert in mastering. LUFS is a new thing that i didn't investigate enough. To be honest. I try to mix first and master separately. Anyway.. i'm using lot my ear at the moment. I like? ok go on.. i don't like? stop and study what to do. It is a starting work on this song but i could try to learn it better in future recordings. I record songs really often. The results it's for some Youtube videos, not strictly for musical value used in commerce, so i would try to stay "near" the values raccomended, but if a result go a little bit out.. i listen anyway if the musical result is sufficient or really poor. I'm starting on this.

Ok. That was an old message that 've sent you. Now i have a pretty good final level, for i homemade record, made by a not expert person. Does not matter if they are graphically thin. It was the thing that i would like to obtain, slowly it's going better.

I know. But when i had to adjust the limit of the track, using the app you told me to use, i had to put the level of TH5 down, to avoid that the headroom for the fx exceed over that value. That's why i talked about the level of TH5 amp. It influences the level of the single track and if it exceed, the result go out. I'm sorry if my english it's not perfect, this is a bit technical subject and sometime i can be misanderstood. It's connected only in that sense.

As limiter i'm using this.

Yes. Something are a little bit technical, but at the moment my recording is going much better. Thanks very much to all. I've downloaded the Ozone 11 EQ from NAtive Instrument. I will learn to use it in next days. The commands. Just one question: I have to add in master, Eq the Ozone 11 EQ as limiter, like this? Now i'm just trying to apply this to the master track level because i've never used it. I had this results. The values are similar to this in all song.

Thank you very much, the plugin is really useful. I've just downloaded and i'm trying this. Just one question: i've tried to use -13db withouth effect, about -6db with effect. I've saved the old version, recorded again all the song in another file and tryed this. The sound is really clean.. but i would need a little bit more powerful. I had to put the volume fo TH5 amp to 5. Before was about 9! Is not now too thin the wave? Probable you were meaning for clean guitar, but an overdrive fusion guitar i would need a little bit more high level? This is an example. I'm just curious because it's the first day that i'm trying to use this plugin. So could be that i didn't understand something. I'll analyze it better in next days.

Thanks very much to all for your help. Now i've tried to put just the master level to 0 db, all the other things are like before. I didn't change anything other. The file don't go anymore to "red". It seem ok. The fade of the single tracks are the same. Is at limit because is orange but ok. Lower than this i think should be not an option because the level would be too low. This seem the best solution at the moment.

All the project is 8 tracks. Anyway.. the double track count should be limited to 2, because the others plays in a different moment. Only 2 tracks, at the same time plays together. In all the song is like this. There is no double track for identical tracks in this project. I used to make it in other different projects.

I 'm thinking also that , how reginaldStjohn told me, the problem could be in the amps. TH3 level. The tracks are really thin, there's no reason to but it can amps all when it read the track. Tomorrow ill try to work on the amps singular regolation off all track effects. Anyway i tried, just for watching the effect of TH3, i tried to disable TH3 in the tracks. The level of playing would be this, with the same settings.

All the tracks are recorded with similar level, similar effects and amps. The song is only divided in different parts. Almost all the tracks, in playback, except the first, played with the backing track(track 1) that is only one and for all the song, go to red at the moment. The problem is almost general. I would like to work on all the project. All the song play maximum 2 tracks together, how you can say. Backing and the different solo parts.

That's all the project.

Sorry, i can't find this command. I have Cakewalk in another language. I try to put Cakewalk in English because if i use it in my language, all commands are different and when we talk i don't see directly them. Could you indicate me exactly where is this? Thank you.

I can't make the wave bigger than this, because the input level was high at limit. higher limit. not red but good.it was ok. I cannot put higher the input level of the audiocard, because it wuold make noise. I followed the indication of the productor in the select of audio card input level. Testing directly the guitar, in the same way i always made.

Ok. I had the master at 2.8db .... and the master fader of the single track at 5.00. That's because i was listening the volume a bit low respect to some commercial video on Youtube. Anyway.. i put bot on 0.0db and put up speakers volume. The wawe form it's not so big.. but i think i could try to find a good middle way

Ok. I will try to adjust directly the level and gain of the amp simulator and sound in TH3. Probable that could be one problem. If it can be doing anithing it wants to the level, it could "skeep" some regulations that i make in the mixer.

Thank you for your answer. I have a question: if is possible, do you have any good guide about "Gain stage" , in Cakewalk, using just the command included in the Free Version Cakewalk Bandlab? I've found so many guides online... lot of videos.. i watched them withouth results... because all were using external app installed that were "paying version app or applications" " they were not free". Lot of them seemed sponsor to "pay" app external. I have only the basic Free version of Cakewalk and i work whith it. Something really easy and direct if is possibile.

Hello all. I've got a problem. I use the command normalize before extract an mp3 file. I've learned how to use this command from a tutorial about mastering. I've applied this effect, to -10 db normalize to all the single tracks. Before was working very well. I've never had "red" level and the sound was really clean using this. Now with this file, i've applied normalize, 10 db to all tracks but it still continue to go to "red" level, you can see it in that screenshot. What could be the problem? Thanks in advance.

Thank you very much for your answer. "What you are experiencing is called a Loopback." Yes... this is the problem. "Make sure that what you are hearing is actually recorded to the track. Make sure Metronome during playback is not selected. " yes. Metronome is in the recording, in the track unfortunately... also some dirty that he ear.. is something like: "he record all he ear" but the setting is: input: mic line - instrument 1. It shouldn't. "You can test if the Loopback is happening by arming a track for recording and start recording with out playing your guitar and see if the meters move." I§ will try also this as soon as possible. Thank you. "Does the audio interface use a software mixer? You might need to check there for a setting that causes the Loopback. " Yws. It has got an Evo control. I thought the setting was correct, also because it doesn't happen always. It's so strange. Anyway.. i will try to analyse it again. "If this is a brand new interface it is possible that this is a defective " it's not new.. but i've never recorded in multitrack so much! So it can be that it was defective in the past also and i didn't recognise it. "Solo the track and listen." yes. I've made all this tests... the metronome is in the track, in solo you can listen this noise of metronome in the track.

Hello all. I've got a big problem. I use to record my guitar and voice in multitrack cakewalk software. I use Evo4, an external soundcard. I've always used cakewalk for recording. I use the normal cakewalk metronome and it is active just during recording. When i listen to the track the metronome shouldn't be recorder, because the source is "mic line instrument 1" , only this source should be recorded. I record and expecially when i use a plugican called TH3, i listen the sound of metronome in recording! This is terrible! Sorry if my english isn't perfect, i hope that the problem will be clear. I would like to record, withouth earing the metronome or other noises in my record, because it's internal, it should be totally clean. It should record only the source i've selected. I didn't understand also.. if this problem is in my soundcard.. or something other. Thanks in advance.