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13 hours ago, audioschmaudio said:

I thought Mixbox was discontinued?

I like using mixbox. But I still don't get, how can they keep selling it. it's abandonware at this point. 

I am still waiting for Absolute 7 to come out. 

pretty amazing deal. 

well, that took a strange turn 

8 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Huh? So they kept the name SampleTank 4 MAX v2 but it no longer comes with standalone SampleTron and Syntronik?

I bought SampleTank 4 MAX v2 a while back and it came with the whole shebang, standalone Syntronik 2, SampleTron 2, and Miroslav Philharmonik 2. If you look at my review(s) and installation tutorial(s) I find the Syntronik 2 and SampleTron 2 sounds to be the most useful in the SampleTank 4 MAX bundle.

IK are so weird that I'd believe it, but how can they keep calling it the same name and even version number?

And why on EARTH would they discontinue Syntronik 2 and SampleTron 2 but keep Miroslav Philharmonik 2? Philharmonik 2 isn't worthless, but the libraries are getting really long in the tooth (like 25 years long in the tooth) and the standalone's UI would have looked dated 10 years ago. 15 years ago even. Way worse than Addictive Drums 2, which was looking pretty hokey before its recent makeover. An entire fashion trend in UI design (the brushed aluminum spaceship control panel) came and went since Philharmonik 2 was released.

SampleTron 2 and Syntronik 2 on the other hand....Syntronik 2 had new instruments for it come out more recently than 2 years ago I think. Good ones, too. SampleTron 2's soundset doesn't exactly get updated, it's a frozen in time library of deliberately lo fi sounds, but it got some free new patches and an engine update within the past year. The standalone UI's for both of them aren't too dated, they're similar to SampleTank 4, with certain features either present or absent between them. The big difference is that unlike SampleTank 4, neither Syntronik 2 nor SampleTron 2 is guaranteed to crash after you've auditioned 20 or so patches.

Since auditioning patches is something I do a LOT of in humongous ROMplers, if I'm sure that the sound I want is in SampleTron or Syntronik, I'll use those UI's instead.

Other than that, the sounds do seem to work just as well in SampleTank, maybe even better because you can drill down more deeply into the engine and mess with envelopes and filters and so forth if you like.

Trying to figure out what's up with IK is probably pointless, I just snag what I want when it goes to deep discount or glitch and don't worry about whether anything about pricing or packaging makes "sense."

Anyone who ends up with SampleTank 4 MAX or hasn't yet installed all of it, be sure to check out my installation guide in the Tutorials forum. I had the bundle for almost a year before I figured out that I had neglected to install a number of rather nice sounds and had multiple space-wasting duplicates from having installed lesser versions of SampleTank and Syntronik.

I endorse this post. I agree with almost all of it. 

Something very strange is up with IKM. I just makes no sense they killed newer products and kept Miroslav. 

I have this and use it a lot. its an acquired taste thing. 

Trap bundle too.

https://www.ujam.com/bundle/trap-bundle/

FWIW.. I starting tinkering with the Circuits thing I got from them for free. its really cool.

the discontinuation of syntronik 2 was very odd as it wasn't that old of a product. released in 2022 i think.  the  discontinuation of mixbox was odd as it seems they were positioning it as one of their most well regarded and well reviewed products. it makes me think there were bugs in them that IKM didn't want to invest more into fixing them or updating to newer versions of the products. makes me wonder whether SampleTank and/or Modo Bass and Modo Drum will be next.  IKM are a very big and very smart company and understand this business well. it all makes me think they may be slowly   positioning themselves out of the software market and moving into just hardware. the truth is, software is a very over crowded market. 

and a bunch of others at $19 

45 minutes ago, kitekrazy1 said:

They still sell them. Some are complete and do not any tinkering.

thanks what is confusing me. 

I am very confused by IK product now. Is there going to be a group buy this summer? If so, what is there left to buy as they seem to have killed off many products. I wonder if they are becoming just a  hardware company?

damn. that would have been a good one. rotary is the only thing i want from them.

same. PM me if anyone wants mine. I wont be using it as I don't make  metal.  

good deal. now much disk space would all this require?

18 hours ago, Last Call said:

PM me your fave implemented thing? After you try it of course.

I just tired it briefly, still on the old one as my main DAW. So far I haven't seen much new but scanning and verifying plugins works much faster.  

14 hours ago, Fleer said:

Got the Producer’s version. Missing anything?

Not really. I was on the producer version for longest time. Recently upgraded to all plugins version. Most of it is you get more of their plugins which are optimized for their DAW.  

i am a  FL super user. Trying it out now.

26 minutes ago, Brian Walton said:

This is why I reference Tonex as a warts and all.  It sounds like the real thing when you mic a cab (which is how tone was traditionally recorded to tape) this is not as easy to do as most people think and therefore the results can vary wildly.

As for what the real thing compares to.  The real thing is not the "amp in the room" sound.  No one in history has ever recorded that so it sounds like the same thing played back through speakers physically isn't possible.  So the real thing is what does an amp sound like miced up for recording, and as far as feel - it goes through the same process.  If I was sitting in a control room in a studio with my amp in a different room does it respond like that amp would as translated through a microphone and speakers?  

I've done the tests and TONEX is as close to that recreation as I've experienced.  This isn't to say it is perfect, you can read my little blurb on the TONEX cab and how it can't overcome the harmonic content and richness of an actual super high end tube amp "in the room sound" but once it is going through a mic and speakers, it is rather close to that, or at least close enough for the average player.  

 

I've used S-Gear as noted, it can get a polished sound potentially faster than tonex.  But as you observed, an actual amp recording is not a pristine thing without a whole lot of work.  

 

I'm guessing you haven't done much capture work with Tonex if you are not sure it is like the real thing or not.  After a capture you can literally A/B between the "live rig" setup of your amp and your mic through headpones and compare it with the tonex capture in real time.  That said, if you don't like the results of your personal amp+mic results - you are going to get close to the exact same thing with a Tonex capture.  

No. I have never tried capturing anything in ToneX. I just use it to play guitar. I think there are quite a few recordings out there of what amps in a room sound. 

The Donny Hathaway is a great example of a  amped guitar in a room. Cornell Dupree just plugged into an amp with a cable. No  effects or anything  IIRC.

Anyways, my thought on ToneX are if's cool, but it's a PITA to use sometimes.  My point is, so far, my only exposure to captures has been ToneX, and I don't think it's that much of a night and day difference to sims.  Obviously the huge difference in output volume between captures. But also,  the captures I use it for, which are mostly cleans and  low to mild crunch and  gain, they still sound like a sims. And then also when using it within AT5,  tends to make it sound more like AT5 (duh!) which I always thought has its own particular flavor of amp sim digital. As you add more AT5 rack effects, if sounds more so.  I can't quite explain it, but it just sounds like the IKM AT5 sound engine and it sounds totally different to other amp sim products. To my ears, S-gear sounds really different. 

2 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

They both seek to emulate the sound and feel of guitar amplifiers (and effects) and therefore I'd put them in the exact same category.

You can literally capture an S-gear rig with tonex and see just how close the two can be.

I'd argue that Tonex sounds and feels more like the real thing (but that also comes at a warts and all approach).  So you are looking for a polished final product sound, S-gear in many instances takes less time to get there.  But add the Tonex pedal in the equation with the super low latency and that realistic feel becomes more apparent than in a software based rig in my experience (and yes, I have a very high spec computer)

I have a number of amp sims. Amplitube, AmpRoom, Stark, and others. S-gear is very different. It's best to try demo if you are interested. I am not  sim developer so i am not sure why they are different. my guess is, there might be different ways to emulate guitar amps and circuits. 

FWIW.. I also use ToneX and that's also different. I don't know if I would call it sounding like the real thing. The challenge with the real thing is that what does that really mean? Hearing an amp in a room or stage is very different sound than mic'ing an amp and recording that sound into a DAW. From my experience with experimenting, a sim gives me better result than my trying to record an amp using a mic in my home studio.

14 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

Shocked this is still in business after the TONEX ecosystem was created and the fact that have had the core software down to like $35 before that allows unlimited Tonenet downloads.  

And let's you expand into a hardware version that has 1.2ms latency, good luck getting that with a computer and feeling like the world is stable 

s-gear sounds and feels very different from tonex to me. not comparable. 

13 minutes ago, jude77 said:

Is this the lowest price ever?  Now is the time to snag it.

i think so. (i may be wrong).

this was a steal. grabbed 'er while she was hawt

2 hours ago, Barrie said:

They did. 8 DVDs 🙂 But it wasn't $60 🤨

It looks like 60+ gb of space needed. They used to sell this in a box, right? now you would have to download it all. Yikes.