Bass Guitar

It’s like the amount of plugins that are labeled “Lofi. It took me a while to figure out that means Low Fidelity. And those people are probably recording at 96 or 192 clocks so they can capture every nuance of that Low Fidelity

Getting back to the OP question. I did a little more research and it seems like the concept of GM VST player has almost vanished from the face of the earth. Roland- they removed the TTS-1 and the Virtual Sound Canvas last year in the fall. A strange coincidence? All they offer now as software is a none GM Synths like Zenology. It’s free but you will need to load 16 instances of it to access all midi channels. GM playback is included in the majority of Roland hardware pianos and synths. I used the Search Googling “ Multi Timbral -GM –VST - Sound Font player and it comes up with a zillion dead ends. The dead ends are mostly super funky super outdated, supper flaky, 32 bit and so on solutions. Seems sound font players are always None GM and only one instrument at a time. That's why I question staff directing people at Sfonando? It's not multitimbral and it is not GM by default. It's about the most convoluted instrument to use on the planet. This is it folks, after 6 hours of looking-- the one I already mentioned. VST SynthFont 64. https://www.synthfont.com/ it is 15 euros. free to try. VST 2 and 3 versions. I have used it in Cakewalk for about 2 years now instead of the TTS-1 to avoid TTS-1 crashes. There is also Coyote https://coyotemidi.com/ is free and works flawlessly in Sonar. But only Sonar, Reaper and Band in a Box support DXi. ( for now) but I also use this a lot and it doesn't crash either. I only use it sparingly because it's Dxi. Worth a mention is Airs Xpand 2 https://www.airmusictech.com/virtual-instruments/xpand-2/ Pro Tool free version https://www.avid.com/pro-tools/intro includes a free license to Air’s Xpand2. Xpand2 is one of my favorite multi channel synths. It’s only 4 channels which is good enough for me! Best Horn section on the planet! Between Xxpand2 and the SI instruments you've got a lot of instruments! Here's a list of the Daw's that include instant GM playback. The rest require manually adding instruments. Like Sonar is now. Ardour and Harrison using Fluid synth Cakewalk Next but many sounds are not GM. Cubase using Halion ( terrible ) FL studio using Fruity LSD Mixcraft using Acoustica instruments Studio One using Presence XT I finally got an answer regarding the MS Wavetable synth. Cakewalk was absolutely correct about it's removal. According to a Microsoft article it is being fazed out and they have sort of archived it and this made it unavailable to major Daw's. It still works with other none professional software like Media player. I noticed it still is working with a few Midi players, JjazzLab and Chord Pulse.

Yes why are you waisting time trying to use way outdated technology. Even though the TTS-1 is old it’s currently 64 bit therefore still works with out fuss in all 64 bit versions of Sonar. And it definitely retains all settings in the project. Actually we question the sanity of choosing to even use GM sounds when there are many options for much better sounding VST instruments of which many are free.

@Amberwolf the repair tech first thought that it was probably just the first stages of the power system but as he found they had taken a few shortcuts and the power went directly to a circuit board and fried a bunch of IC. In those days it would have cost more than it was worth to repair. I bought an MT32 and a Roland PS 200 controller. The Korg probably was disposed of quickly. The MT32 to me was a huge upgrade because back then synths like the Poly 800 didn’t sound “right “ to us. Example the Piano patch didn't sound at all like a piano. And the bass I had used was a classic synth bass that also sounded very different from a normal bass. So the MT-32 was considered top notch sound back then. As it is those are the same sounds of the MSWavetable and the TTS-1. I still have the MT-32 at the bottom of a box of junk somewhere. I also have the original Sound Canvas. But my favourite is the Korg 05R/W. That replaced the MT-32 and was my “band “for a long time. There’s no point in using the MT-32 but the stupid thing refuses to die. At least the Poly 800 would still have some value. Later someone gave me a Korg D5000? which was a lot like the Poly 800 i had it for a while but I gave it to a guy who liked that stuff. By then I had lots of great VST Poly synths. I’d rather have the smaller rack versions. Keyboards take up a lot of space.

Funny this topic has come up because I randomly have watched a few of his videos and my very first thought was?? He’s using stem separation? Stem Separation is not the multi track? How can he accurately analyze the material? This is total BS. Oh well I guess like many people who make a living off You Tube he’s found a following. Then he picked on the Greystones saying that they were lip sinking live and using auto correct! Their audio guy immediately called him out and explained that they were actually singing live , didn’t use auto tune but they did do some overdubs of parts that sucked and at no point denied that they did that. It’s pretty common practice to edit live performance videos this way. The kids even started posting videos of themselves demonstrating how they actually did know how to play and sing . Phil had egg on his face and quickly removed the video. He apologized. I had to laugh because I myself have often recorded live performances and then completely redone the audio because it was kinda crappy. Why not? His last video I watched was accusing John Fogarty of using AI on anew album. He used live recordings to demonstrate the difference in sound??? WTF? How on earth do you compare a studio recording to a Cell phone rip run through crappie stem separation software?? And why do we even care! Even Jimmy Buffets huge concerts in his final years you can tell are a mix of live and tracks. Take note that Rodger the drummer is wearing headphones. I think it’s pretty much necessary to do this when you have the multi media screen running. You see all sorts of stuff like teleprompters and now everyone has in ears. It’s show business people. And the fans are having a blast! The music is great and consistent concert to concert. Jimmy is still singing and you can hear the bad notes. He is the first person to admit that he is not a great singer! But he was one of the best entertainers in the industry. My guess is that the Eagles might suck a little on those high notes these days. I know I do! But compared to Jimmy they are totally boring to watch.

This never used to happen in the past 15 year for me. I’ve always been able to do anything I want and run multiple apps. I always disable the allow this device to have exclusive access to the Audio Device. This in the last 4 months on W11 now seems broken. All my Daw’s have ASIO issues if I fire them up after I have been using other apps. And the other thing now broken is OBS studio won’t recognize my Daw’s output via Loopback? Theres been a few posts on this , Mixcraft and Studio 1 forums that people are getting audio cracking or distortion on systems that never behaved this way. And these people are using RME, Focusrite or Motu interfaces. W11 has done something. I get that message you are showing just about every time I start Sonar Platinum. Other Daw’s also are showing similar warnings. It’s seems to me like the change to the way W11 Home shows the Audio system options is not working correctly. W10 it is much clearer.

Speaking of Power Supplies. It was probably around 1986. I was slowly building my midi rig. A guitar player friend had paid $1,200 for a Korg Poly 800 and offered to trade me for my 1968 Fender Twin. I was tired of lugging it around! I figured I had made a super good deal! The Poly 800 served as my Bass player. My drums were a Roland 505 I still own and use. One day I was setting up my rig at home and I accidentally got the ends of the power supplies mixed up! The Korg went up in a puff of smoke! The Roland was fine. Turns out the Korg used reverse polarity. The technician told me that all that was needed by the Korg was a 25 cent Diode that would have stopped the reverse polarity current from getting past the power input Jack. He figured that a lot of IC chips were smoked. So that was the end of a $1,200 Analog Synth. Since that day I have carefully labeled all my power supplies both on the wall wart and at the Jack. The good news is that I now have the Free Fury 800 VST plug in that’s a great replacement. But it is weird how theirs no standard end Jack for power supply’s that would block you from making the mistake I made still to this day. I wonder if @Annabelle is still using Sonar 8.5? That would have the TTS-1.

Interfaces that include DSP all can record wet. And many that have software mixers can send one input to more than one Daw track. Even if they don’t it’s pretty easy to split you signal into two different cables going in. My Zoom L8 as example can record directly from any of the 8 inputs and can also record the Wet signal from the master output. But that’s hardware. The OP is asking about ITB recording probably related to using a Guitar sim. As said it is possible using AUX tracks. Another Possibly is arming a second audio track and selecting your audio interfaces Loopback as the input to the track. How well that works will depend on your interfaces Loopback routing options.

@Vlad Vilnev What is the brand and model of your interface? Im curious because Im finding random reports on different forums about this issue. It seems like W11 is doing something that is messing with the clock rate. even if we set it to 48 it will switch to 44.1 if you watch a video or something. My Motu M4 has become unstable all of a sudden. But it only does this if I try and open other apps and then open a Daw.

I personally not against printing to track if that is exactly what I want. As example my guitar sound or my bass. I am a big believer in only recording great sounds. And that might involve a certain signal chain. But it most certainly will be hardware and not some dumb plug in. Those are best suited to adding later. But we don’t know what the OP was trying to do so it might be something else.

As far as I know the only fully functional and supported GM VST is made by SynthFont They make a full featured standalone midi player editor as well as the one called VST SynthFont 64. The web page is SynthFont.com Its a bit confusing to find the link to the VST version. The basic version is 14 euros. All the other players are as old as the TTS-1 and are on shaky ground too. SynthFont is rock solid and is maintained and updated. They have a few different versions at different price points. I got mine free as it is included with Band in a Box. You also get Coyote which I like the sounds better but it is DX so not a great idea for the future The other not as much talked about player is the MSWavetable synth which to me sounds like the rest. It’s my favourite to preview midi files using Media Player. It is still an option for midi output in every Daw on the planet with the exception of New Sonar. It is a bit of a mystery why they chose to remove that at about the same time they removed the TTS-1.

Exactly. Im unaware of any Daw that can print effects while tracking without setting up some complex routing. That’s because very few people want this. You want the option of adding effects to taste during the mixing process not the tracking. So for those that do desire printing effects they make audio interfaces that have built in DSP.

That’s obviously why. A send to a bus is a totally different signal path than a direct insertion of an effect in the signal path. This is why effects like reverb are often put on their own bus. The purpose of reverb / delay is to emulate a space like a concert hall. So it’s a common practice to share that space with all the sounds. This puts the listener in that space. Using a reverb / delay bus allows total control over the balance of wet to dry from all the tracks or sub buses. The effects will be set to max wet. Then we selectively send part of each track or bus to taste. We use this to create the “ space “ around the music. Putting reverb or delay directly in the signal path on the track is a different use of those effects. Example this is more common with guitar or snares and Tom’s. You rarely want reverb on a kick drum. So it is not common to use a global reverb on the drum bus. We use sends from individual kit pieces to avoid putting reverb on the kick. I said it is not common but if you want a certain sound then you might put reverb on the kick but it will need specific processing to avoid a muddy low end from happening. So the answer to your question is yes sending a track thought any effects pt in a track or bus effects bin results in a 100 % wet processing of the track r bus. Most effects have a wet/ dry mix control to dial in the desired amount. On a bus it means all tracks coming in will have the same amount of processing applied to the sound. Using a send to a dedicated effect bus allows each track to have its own wet/ dry mix.

Did you read the user manual yet? Or do you want us to do that for you because that’s the only way we could help you. This is not a Sonar issue. This is a hardware issue. You’re getting a Loopback via the USB system.

Obviously you need to read the user manual to understand the signal path used by the device. Normal audio interfaces don’t Loopback unless you tell them to. I will assume that you are using this device as an audio interfaces. I will also assume that you are connecting your headphones to it and monitoring the playback of your Daw. Does it come with an ASIO driver? If not then you will most likely have issues trying to get it to work with Sonar. It will be out of sync.

Possibly this is the same issue that I have. Motu M 4. , latest driver ( which is getting old) I get a distortion in playback and new recordings are embedded with this. It stops if I completely restart computer. It seems to only happen if the computer has been running for a few hours and if I’ve used other apps. I also find out that it only happens with any app that uses ASIO. Like a Daw. So it’s not a Sonar issue it’s obvious to me that it is a Motu ASIO driver issue. I sent it in to support but they haven’t responded in over 2 weeks. It never happens with my other 2 audio interfaces. So try a total reboot and power cycle the interface and see if that works. If it does then it’s more proof regarding the driver. To test only open Sonar once the computer has rebooted. Disable any unnecessary apps that automatically load on startup. Also I recommend disabling any other audio systems like HDMI in windows settings. Only allow the Motu as an audio device. Motu is very Mac oriented and W11 seems to have altered something in the way it handles audio.

Oh well looks like nobody read what I posted so I deleted it.

Very out there but it might be worth a try is Melodyne Studio. Ive used it for guitar parts to remove unwanted harmonic content. Im thinking that if you just highlight the short section where there is a problem you might be able to actually see it. Simply delete the unwanted blobs or use the amplitude tool and turn them down. Second option that is also way out there is use Stem Separation which should put the narrative in the Vocal track and the background music in the other tracks. Simply remix it.

Possibly the effects you are using on the Bus are dynamic effects which might be set to increase the levels of any tracks coming into them. You turn the tracks down and the effect turns them back up. So you need to use a different signal path to avoid this. Example you would need to automate the output of the bus. Either that or put the effects on each of the tracks not a bus. You have made it more complicated by trying to share the same effects with 3 tracks.

What has always worked and still does is to simply Google the question. This often leads you to this or the legacy forums. Had to laugh one day when someone asked a question about something that I used to know about but I had forgotten how to do it. So I googled the question and found an old thread where I was the one who answered. I basically answered my own question.

Im afraid you are right and really the easiest solution is to save as the midi file and export the audio starting at zero as well. Basically the export dialogue as well as the start and end markers are for audio export only. MIDI export has no options.

Glad you finally got it sorted out. About using 32. I’m not dead sure but because it seems Sonar uses 32 FP for processing that if I choose that for the export then my CPU has less work to do because it doesn’t need to down convert the tracks to 24. Possibly this applies to both audio and midi. After all the only downside is a little more storage space is used. This is not an issue these days because we all have a lot of headroom in our storage capacity. I’ve never seen much point in using larger sample rates like 96. Seems like overkill for my music. So I think 48/ 32 is pretty good choice for my masters. If I need to burn a CD Nero automatically converts it. And seems Sound Click and Distro Kid encourages uploading 48/32 wave files so I never use mp3 anymore.

@azslow3 is a genius and lifesaver for many of us. Now I have discovered his CWP2 song file converting script I don’t even need Sonar to open my CWP files. I can easily open them in S1. Or Reaper with his other file converter. I installed Splat with the intention of opening old projects and exporting them as midi and stems but now I don’t need to waste my time with doing that. I think it takes about 1 minute to convert them.

It will probably keep happening for a while yet as what we have to remember is very few people visit user forums or follow any announcements about the software they are using. I most certainly have not been on the Steinberg forum for probably 12 years. I only know about what they are up to because few times a year I might get an email. I have never received an email from Cakewalk or Bandlab and this latest situation is not known yet buy those people who might only open Cakewalk once a year. Bandlab created a massive user base for Cakewalk by making it easy and free to access. The handful of users who are still on this forum are a very small minority of people who actually are in the loop. Thousand of others are just finding out that Cakewalk was discontinued. As they find out they probably Google for some answers and they might end up here. So don’t be annoyed by them.

Yes I was going to say that I often start a new song the same way with using the Step Sequencer to make a simple beat and then drag it way out. The first thing I do once it is determined where the song will end is delete all the loops to the right of the end and then bounce to track ( clip?) This allows me to now edit the midi in PVR to add intro. filler and an end.