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The OP does make a valid point about support. I figured that most replies were AI generated because after a few months of submitting issues the response was always exactly the same. That’s just fine as it seems to be the way things are going now. My issue was never resolved. They gave up. I gave up. I appreciate the offer by a forum member who was willing to help , but personally I don’t think anyone should do that for free. Bandlab is a multi million dollar company that most certainly can afford to pay real people to answer questions. It is my thinking that the generic responses are limited to standard issues users might encounter. But anything else will stump the AI. Just for laughs try it yourself.

I think that Cakewalk is now officially dead. A few people have mentioned that it is still working but the deadline was Sept 30. # 4 The X series is the ultimate backup plan for me because as I said in the video Bandlab still has the option to shut down access to the Cakewalk Command Centre. I own a license to X 3 and that was the last version that doesn’t require any on line activation. I have it installed right now and I don’t think I would use it for anything other than accessing old projects. It’s not really useful as a modern daw to me compared to the others I own. Way too outdated. X1 was absolutely the worst version of Cakewalk ever , but I actually think the new Sonar is a close second!! ( Just kidding) So if I ever do rebuild a new computer down the road I might not have access to Platinum. But I am always optimistic that by then they will give up on the membership only plan and I’ll be able to purchase Sonar in a normal way.

FYI You’re in the wrong sub forum. This is the now abandoned Cakewalk sub forum. There’s a new sub forum for Sonar. To me it seems they quickly offered the free version to help people transition to a paid membership. They no sooner put it out and then announced the end of life for Cakewalk. People all act like this was a big surprise but they had said that this day would come over 2 years ago. Sure not everyone reads this forum so I guess they were unaware. The free version we were told may or may not be a permanent option as well. The free version is definitely not suitable for everyone especially if you’re relying on a Daw for semi professional work or using it live. You have choices- 1- Pay for Membership 2- Switch Daws 3- Use Sonar Platinum ( my personal choice)

The other thing that makes it better for me was cranking up the saturation a bit.

So it would be one of those that absolutely requires the Command centre to authorize. The Command Centre has a Download folder and all the executables will be there after you install them. but back in 2017 during the time Gibson shut us down and we didn’t know what was going to happen a few of us tried to use them independently. Seems to me it doesn’t work. This why we are at the mercy of the kindness of Bandlab now. My current computer is hopefully going to last me well past the days when all that will matter. I find I always move on to different plug ins anyway. I open old projects and replace the olds ones with new ones.

Heres' the location. As you see I only have the drivers for the 3 audio interfaces that I use. All else is banished. Simply delete the folder. Common drivers that are installed with music apps are Steinberg, Magix and FL studio. They are supplied as well intentioned options for people using those Daw's who don't have an audio interface. If you are using an Audio interface then for Sonars sake you need to remove them. The problem is that on start up Sonar looks to see what ASIO device is connected and these will then confuse Sonar. The place to check that something is wrong is in Sync And Caching timing device. Even though your Focusrite is checked in the other audio set up tabs, if there is one of these drivers it might show as the "Recording Latency Adjustment." that's obviously going to throw things off in your syncing of new tracks. This is not a bad feature as Noel pointed out. The fact this happens is actually a good feature. Example I just was using my SSL2 interface in another Daw. I needed to switch to my Zoom L8. I had to close the Daw and then it was mad because it didn't automatically switch to the Zoom. You have to go and set that up. I think all my other Daw's as well as Video apps behave this way. To take the screenshot for you I opened Sonar and it had already switched to the Zoom all on it's own.

Bandlab has been kind enough since they bought all the Cakewalk intellectual property rights, to put all our legacy products we bought from Roland and Gibson on their own servers and make them available. They really have no reason for this other than customer service. If you have lost your legacy account password cakewalk support will help you recover it. The day might come when Bandlab decides to discontinue this service. They even went to the trouble of updating the Command Centre so make sure you get version 1.1.8.1 ( ? I think that’s right?)’ So all legacy products are still available but you would be wise to download everything to a safe place as well as take screenshots of your activation and registration information. I did all that in 2016. I found many of these Sonar X series and Platinum plug ins and instruments all work in other Daw’s. After all, you actually bought and own them. Even the Studio Instrument collection can be used on any Daw. But software from the Platinum era is tied to the Command Centre so the day someone pulls the plug we will be hooped. Isn’t the vocal and drum strip still included with new Sonar? It was on the Excluded list so you had to access it in the plugin manager.

As far as I can tell those are exclusive to Sonar. The 3rd party plug-in’s usually have the Brand name visible in the GUI. VST2 is a long way from being obsolete. I wouldn’t worry about that just yet. I’ll most certainly be dead.

I try and stay away from discussion of audio and Daw’s because there are way to many different opinions about it. But for what it’s worth my opinion is very simple. You purchase a brand name Audio Interface that has all the right connections , features and controls that suit your needs. In my case one feature is now Loopback. The other most important thing I learned years ago, is you should always use the latest version of ASIO drivers from the manufacturer website when using a DAW. All other ASIO drivers that don’t belong to a hardware audio interface should be completely removed from your system including the Registry. Take note that this is more a Sonar issue than it is with other audio software. Loopback. Theres 2 different types of audio Loopback. External and Internal. External is when you connect the output of your audio interface back to an input using a patch cable. We use this to test for the accuracy of our reported latency. Example when using Oblique Audio’s RT utility. Internal loopback is where the audio remains digital. Then it makes it available as an optional input to all applications that are designed to access ASIO multi channel audio. Im not dead sure of where it accesses the audio but it seems it would be involved with the Windows mixer. So to answer your question it most certainly is available in ASIO mode. Im not sure it is actually available in other driver modes because I’ve never checked. And a heads up, Just because a Daw includes a generic ASIO driver doesn’t mean you should or have to use it with that Daw. Example Cubase includes a Generic driver that becomes an option when I set up Cubase’s audio system. But I always choose my audio interface driver. Removing FL ASIo driver will not have any effect on using the Daw. You are always better off using your interface’s ASIO driver.

I don’t really care about colour but I find it has become very hard to see icons and stuff that was not a problem before. It is not a Daw for old farts like me. That’s fine. I’m not exactly sure what bugs they might have fixed but so far after 3 months I have not found anything. Im actually pretty amazed at how much is actually still there! It’s only a few little things I have been missing like Workspaces and the Add Tracks dialogue. This is more about wanting to own my software than about colour. I will most certainly be first in line for a permanent license. But we are censored for taking about this.

Apps like voicmeeter are designed for people who are using their computers on board sound card. Why would you want to install iffy 3rd party apps when you own an audio interface? Sonar generally doesn’t like generic audio drivers and staff always advise to remove all of them and only use your interface ASIO drivers. I spotted the FL Studio generic driver in your screenshot which is on the list of things that you need to delete from the registry if you’re having problems with audio.

This is why you use OBS to handle that. It will use all available inputs. It actually now has Multi track recording capabilities. If I used my ZoomL8 audio interface it has 8 mono inputs available as well as the Master( stereo mix) and the 2 stereo Loopback channels. The Zoom L8 was designed mostly with podcasting in mind. It even has a 1/8" stereo input for cell Phones or Tablets and 6 Sound effect pads. Even with my Motu M4 I can have the the loopback for all internal computer audio and then I can have 4 Live audio inputs. The OP is talking about recording Video Tutorials so that's a simple set up. Exactly, Voicemeter was one of the first things I tried back a few years ago before I bought the Motu. It worked fine with WASAPI shared mode but then I found the sound quality suffered as well as there was terrible latency when playing midi from a controller. I never got it to work with Cakewalk running ASIO. Mabey they have updated it? But it's also something that can mess with your audio system so that to me is scarry. like using Asio4all kind of. My best solution before I had the Motu was a small mixer that fed my Focusrite 6i6 ( no loopback). I used Outputs 3/4 into the Mixer as well as my mike. The problem was then I had to tell Windows to use 3/4 as the default device so I could playback audio from WinAmp or Foobar for the Narration. PITA.

Digital mixers are for the most part designed for live shows but they can also be first class audio interfaces. But that just like all audio interfaces depends on the quality of the ASIO drivers. I can personally vouch for Behringer, Zoom and Yamaha having good drivers but I’d want to research Allen and You are looking at $&$$$ for the desks used in pro studios. But the live band consumer models are definitely top notch for smaller studios. The Behringer x32 with the Midas pre amps is worth looking at. I have a X18 rack. Your statement about using analog mixer is very interesting because that is how many long time sound engineers feel. The controls are right there in front of you. Example my Soundcraft 10 and My Zoom L8. They are both basically the same channel count and features but the Soundcraft has 72 controls and the Zoom has only 10. The Soundcraft is 3 X bigger. I have a 1997 Yamaha O1v digital mixer that is still working almost like new. It has outlived dozens of my analog mixers. One huge advantage to digital mixers is the ability to save scenes. My Yamaha has scenes that go back 20 years. It is dead simple to use its midi capabilities to record events and play them back. It’s got motorized faders so it’s fun to watch clients jump out their chairs when they move around during playback.

You’re not alone in that but sadly the answer is no. They have 100% replaced Cakewalk with New Sonar. The option a few of us have chosen is to using Sonar Platinum until they solve the problems.

The answer is to use an ASIO audio interface with a loopback feature.

Lots of apologizing going on here these days. And I can’t help thinking that it’s generated by AI.

Ok I wasn’t sure how you were using Sonar. You only mentioned “Save our recordings”. I’ll repeat, Using software that you don’t own ( have a perpetual license) is risky. Even Cakewalk was risky. Time to start looking for a Daw that is not at risk. My solution was to return to using Sonar Platinum. I own it and it is not at risk of not opening. You still didn’t say if you are using the Playlist.

To record audio in sync with your Daw you need an Audio Interface that uses an ASIO driver. Not- Asio4all Not- Realtek asio Not- Generic ASIO But a reputable brand that supports your OS.

Are you using the Playlist or just recording? Ya that’s something that the developers never really considered. There are a lot of real musicians that have used Cakewalk for live performances. Mostly using the playlist because that’s a feature that is not available in other Daw’s. This change made many now look for alternatives that can be used without expiring in the middle of a gig or recording session. Bottom line is using any software that you don’t own is risky in a professional setting. Just an idea but I love my Zoom L8 for recording and our 3 piece bands live gigs. Lots of bands are using the L12 or L20. Push of a button to record just like in the good old days. Transfer the tracks from the SD card to any Daw. It also records the stereo mains at the same time so instant board mix. It’s also a first class ASIO audio interface so you can stream your backing tracks from your laptop and you have total control of the mix using real channel strips. And it never phones home!

Sonar is not well known for its Video capabilities. That feature works OK for adding a soundtrack to an existing video but it has always been limited in what format you can use successfully. For high quality video editing you should always use Video Editing software. Vegas, Filmora, Adobe or DaVinci Resolve etc

It looks like you used that plugin in the project and Sonar is trying to locate it. If it can’t find it then it will list missing plugins once it opens the project. They should show in brackets in the location where they are. Console view is the best way to see everything. You either delete them or replace them and save the project. If Sonar crashes while trying to open the project you will need to use SafeMode and tell Sonar not to load it.

Does it come with instructions?

What also can happen is if you are not using an Audio interface with ASIO drivers a new audio track will possibly be recorded out of sync with the existing audio. This is due to the system latency. Sonar has two ways to mark off events. Markers as well as the Arranger track. There’s almost enough space in the arrangement view for lyrics if you zoom out enough. Cakewalk Next has a lyrics view that can be used exactly as a karaoke track. But it is labour intensive to set it up. Many downloaded midi files will often have a guide “ vocal “ track.

OK. That’s what I thought. It’s just abandon ware and Im sure Roland has no problem with the fact that people are still using it. I mostly use Coyote.

Im curious because someone has posted in the Instrument forum about how installing Sonar removes the TTS-1? I thought that there’s an option to choose to keep your old settings and so on.