Bass Guitar

@Byron Dickens I was just in the process of redoing my back up Laptop so I did fresh installation of Band in a Box and Sonar Platinum. The VST SynthFont did not show up in Sonar just as expected. And ya the plug in is most certainly hidden deep in the bowels of the BB folder. I had to use Search to find it. So I copied and then pasted it into the Steinberg VST folder. So there’s still the original where BB wants it to be. Sonar found it and it opens and yes it is showing a Trial 15 day period.But then I found out I had not authorized BiaB. So I registered BiaB and now the VST synthfont is not in demo mode.

I explained how to prevent this by using midi channels. As I said I used Sonar Live and had no problem playing the synth I needed. I see no issue with using 2 controllers either. You just choose the channel you want to use. To here the sound input Echo has to be on and you can set it to be Globally on for all instruments. I don't know how many people have explained what input echo is for but somehow your not understanding that. Its a simple matter of not desiring how you think it should work it's a matter of understanding how it does work and learn that so you can take control.

Actually I have Steinberg Wave Lab 12 set up in the tools. But honestly over time I rarely use it because I use Melodyne for surgery on my audio tracks. Clicks and pops are pretty obvious.

And this is the simple solution to your request. If it was of importance possibly one could create a keyboard shortcut that ran one of those macros that opened the dialogue. Otherwise what you want is that that dialogue was accessible from the main work area, example if I click on the metronome icon it opens the settings. So that would be a feature request. I personally would vote for this as I often need to access the midi outputs. But it really takes a few seconds to get there and it stays on that tab each time I open preferences during that days sessions. If we request a midi devices icon they will make it so small we would not find it anyhow 😐

@Byron Dickens I’ll contact Kenneth the developer and ask about this. They might have recently locked it to BiaB. In the past it just showed up in Cakewalk. Coyote definitely is working but it is free. I have the 14.90 Euro version of VST SynthFont because I wanted the VST 3 version. I also like supporting these small developers. Kenneth has been working with me to sort out a few issues I had with the Midi Sound Synth. Midi files saved from Sonar are not working properly.

I haven’t heard of this happening for years. What OS are you using and what are you using for your audio playback? If you don’t have an audio interface it’s common to have different audio issues using any Daw. And then make sure you go into Windows sound settings and choose a default sample rate that matches what you use in Sonar. If you watch a lot of videos then 48 is probably best. Also if you don’t have any interface set Sonar to use WASAPI shared mode and use your computers sound card not HDMI or any other 3rd party driver. Do not try and use ASIO unless you do have an interface.

Exactly. The mute and input echo only involve the audio generated by the Soft Synth. Midi data is not stopped. And if you have selected midi output in the VST as well as a hardware output in midi preferences devices then your controller will pass through to the hardware. You need to disable midi output in the soft synth or preferences. input echo , or often called Track Monitor, is used during recording or live performance so you can hear the audio from the soft synth. It is not needed for playback. The mute button is obvious to it’s function but it is used to mute the audio output of the synth. It doesn’t mute midi. You’ll still see activity on the midi meters. To stop midi from going to a track you need to select an unused input source. Selecting None normally means that everything is available. You can also assign midi channels. I used Sonar as my keyboard rig at a few gigs. I had 7 different VST instruments each assigned a different input channel. I turned on Global input Echo. My Roland A49 only has 2 control knobs. I used midi learn to control the volume as well as chorus or ? I just changed output channels to change instruments. Was very dependable system but I had to make sure I connected the keyboard before I started Sonar. Otherwise it would revert back to None and everything played at once. I’d have to reassign the channels again.

I had a free app called STeem that was an Atari emulator but it only works on Windows XP. All the software I used for almost 15 years was now available for free on Tim’s Atari world website. I guess that all the developers were long gone. But one was the same version of Cubase I had previously purchased for I think $300 back when. It had a note saying Steinberg approved of the free version as a historical artifact.

Mixcraft included some incredible synths and one is a great mini moog. It’s included in the basic version of Mixcraft that is Black Friday special $20. Im pretty sure that it works in other Daw’s I’ll test it out tomorrow. And I see @Byron Dickensmentions Cherry Audio Thats some of the free stuff also available in the store tab. When I first discovered all the included instruments I spent a whole evening having more fun than Ive ever had playing synths. Im not sure what you get in the demo For the price I paid I just bought it after 2 hours of testing. It’s my favourite now even though it has its shortcomings. They all do.

My friend has a 64 Fender Princeton it is Brown. No reverb just tremolo like my 72. It is 100 % original never been modified. He bought it in 1972 for $50. It is now valued at between $6,000 to 9,000. And now I see people buying old music gear from the 80’ for stupid prices. This is junk some of us tossed in the trash 10 years ago because it sounded terrible to us. Like Peavey guitar amps. But software has a short lifespan and even if it had good sound quality it becomes left in the dust by changing OS and formats. Of all things musical that we have invested money into, software definitely has zero re-sale value. So don’t laugh at all of us who are still hanging on to our old hardware synths of which two I own are from 1992. They are becoming worth more as time goes buy while that Software synth you paid $100 for in 2005 is now probably worth nothing and no longer works in your 64 bit Daw. Sonar and Reaper seem to be the only ones that still support Dx. I think you will see a day that they will be forced to finally abandon it. I stopped using them a few years ago. Even in Vegas all of their plugins are DX so I now use 3rd party VST instead. Defiantly I’ve stopped using 32 bit for at least 5 years now. Just not worth taking the risk of issues. Now we are watching the end of VST 2 . But my 1990 hardware will always work fine until they stop making interfaces with 5 pin midi.

I made a video a year ago about how to save the TTS-1 etc I removed it as I realized that Roland might not like that. In reality I don’t think Bandlab bought any license for it. It was just embedded in the Sonar Platinum code. It was probably just overlooked for all those Bandlab Cakewalk years. If you look at the history, it came into play in Sonar even before Roland took over Cakewalk. It says that they were only in a partnership. Then possibly because Gibson bought Cakewalk from Roland the licensing was cool. But Bandlab only paid for the intellectual property of Cakewalk,. We were to understand that means just the actual software code. So the TTS-1 license would have been a grey area as it is really an additional feature. Anyway I respect Roland as always being a solid company that we can thank for many things that have shaped the music community. And everything I ever bought from them still works. My 505 and the SC 55 still work like brand new. So everyone needs to move on and start weening yourself of the TTS-1.

As a follow up. I tried the SFKR sound fonts and I don’t like them at all. They seem to have that under water sound like you get with stem separation. So forget about them . I’ve set up a test project with a track for each player. I insert the synth and Export it. I carefully adjust levels so all tracks are around 17 LUFS . This is important! Most of the players are outside of Sonar so I record them using Loopback. TTS-1 Coyote VST SynthFont MSWavetable Virtual Midi Synth Acoustia Instruments Mixcraft Presence Studio one Then 3 different Soundfont collection from the Midi Sound Synth Next on the list is Hardware, Korg 05R/W Original Roland SC 55 Sound Canvas Yamaha Piano I can’t find my MT 32? I might have thrown it out. It would rate below the MS Wavetable anyway. I will make a video next week. I use Solo Exclusive to jump through the tracks. It’s a simple song with Bass, Drums E piano and a Banjo. But I’m thinking of making it so it’s a special project that solos a bunch of different instruments instead because it’s hard to judge by a whole song as every player produces different mixes of the tracks. You can tell winter is here and Im bored!! But it’s actually part of a different story.

For me the issue seemed to have started few years ago. I’ve got a thread somewhere about this. It was only if I had a complete project with a few midi and Audio tracks. Anytime I tried to add the TTS-1 to that situation it would crash Cakewalk It was definitely the TTS-1 by looking at the crash dumps. I don’t think it ever has crashed if it was first instrument added to a project. As a result of the pending end of life which actually has happened I switched to using VST SynthFont which to me sounds better anyway. One benefit is that it supports all 16 channel outputs. I like that because I can use better effects on each instrument. And it’s VST 2 and VST3. Not Dx which I have a feeling Sonar will discontinue supporting someday. The developer Kenneth is very responsive to emails. I found a bug in the VST3 version and he sent me an update in 2 days! Try contacting Roland about bugs!

Yes for sure Ripple edit is the best option. What I do is turn on Ripple Edit. CTRL A to select whole project Split at the place I want to insert new measures Drag say 4 bars Turn off Ripple Edit and then copy paste

Sonar has always had a problem with default handling of projects. We all just come up with personal solutions so it rarely happens. Example I’m in the habit now of not trusting the start screen and have it disabled. If I need it, I open it. I open my projects in Windows explorer because otherwise I might accidentally open a backup copy. I have noticed that the old start screen for Sonar Platinum to me is much better. Waveform has a unique system which uses tabs at the top of the screen. It leaves access to any project ( Edits) as a tab until you click close. So when you start your day the last thing you worked on is the tab on the right. the down side is these other projects are loaded into memory on startup. But I guess we have 64 GB of memory so not a big deal. I like the Studio one start screen with a chronological list that seems to go back to the beginning of installation of the program. And midi files have a different icon.

I actually got it to work no problem. There was just a few things that I did wrong and once sorted out I now have GM midi files with lyrics. Cool. But I have no clue what I want to use them for now!! Ah but it is always fun learning how to do new things. So I’ll tick this off my list of stupid useless midi things I never tried before.

Ya actually the other 3 Daw’s I use list everything top to bottom time wise. The song at the top is the last thing you saved. Seems logical.

The Pro Channel quad cuve EQ ports over to Studio one’s version of a EQ very accurately thanks to @azslow3 brilliant CPW2song conversion tool. And I guess all the instruments that Im finding work elsewhere are the ones I paid for in the Legacy days. As far as effects go I think I only ever used the Quad curve and the CA2A.

This is what I kind of thought was the whole idea behind the launch of these new versions. Load an old project and swap them out, done. I never used any of the Sonitus plugins for the last 5 years knowing they were soon to be discontinued. There's this video I watched a while ago where he was telling people never to use plug ins that are tied exclusively to any particular Daw. It will make it hard to share projects with collaborators as well as future proofing your work if you switch Daw's down the road. I was actually very surprised at how many of my Cakewalk instrument collection open in any Daw. Like Dim Pro, Rapture and even the SI instruments.

This will happen when you are messing around with your audio system. Check the Master bus is set to your playback device and not to None.

Are you saving as a Normal project or a midi project??

@Glenn Stanton There is a free version that is not a demo .https://acondigital.com/products/verberate-basic I also love the Lexicon version from Legacy Sonar. Another great reverb is Relab LX 480 which is also dead simple to use. I got it dirt cheap at some point in time by subscribing to email. I think it was $30. https://relabdevelopment.com/lx480-essentials/ That’s the best way to gather plugins. Find something that you want and sign up. At least once a year the good stuff is always available at huge discounts. Never pay full price for Software. Like right now Sonar is super expensive @ $179 compared to the deal that was offered last spring @ $49. Oh I see they just offered it again at $99. SO once again only a fool pays full price.

The OP has left the Building. They came back but did not respond. Years ago I tried to make a policy of not responding to posts if a few people had replied already. Then, I would wait for the OP to respond. Otherwise we are all talking to the wind.

Im surprised nobody said Wipeout yet! I guess I must have been around 8 or 9 and that’s 1962 . But when I was probably about 5 I could play all the nursery rhythms on my little toy xylophone. That toy Xylophone embedded the C major scale in my brain forever! My older brother bought a cheap electric guitar and I would sneak into his room and play it. Everything I played was only on the low E string so Wipeout. walk don’t run and other various surf instrumentals. I could even do that riff in Pipeline. I don’t think I played any chords for at least 2 years and I was even playing in bands even though I didn’t know nothing!. I guess without realizing it I was the lead guitar player. And my first chords were of course power chords. It might have been 3 years later that I was taught cowboy chords. By then I was playing mostly bass anyway. I still suck at fancy chords. Who needs them anyway. I play only Bluegrass, Country and Real Rock and Roll. I don’t think Buddy Holly knew how to play a Caug9 either.

Really. As said in the beginning of the thread. VST SynthFont 64 is only $15 Euros and is actually a much better GM midi player than the TTS-1. I have the TTS-1 but due to instability I have excluded it in Plug in Manager. I have been using the VST SynthFont for about 2 years now. It takes 2 seconds to open a midi file and drag and drop the VST SynthFont to the project. Just like the way we used the Tts-1 you make sure to disable all midi outputs in Preferences. Because the TTS-1 used inferior Wavetable engine the Sound Fonts are way better sound quality. And you can purchase even higher quality sound fonts if you’re so inclined. Also the VST SynthFont has 16 output ability the TTS-1 only has 4. So you can use the pro channel and all your favourite effects on each midi channel. Kennth the developer is a great person and always takes time to answer any questions I have. There is also a VST 3 version available now that is in Beta. But so far it has worked perfectly with Sonar. So this is fully supported software not abandoned ware like all the others. Bonus is if you purchase the Midi Sound Synth from the Goldmidi site you will receive the whole set of the latest highest resolution sound fonts. Kenneth and Roberto have created a new font called SFKR The Midi Sound synth is an amazing midi player with lyrics and all the bells and whistles for managing midi playback for live performance. The free version is still excellent but the upgrade for 40 Euros gets those better SFKR fonts added. They will also be available in VST SynthFont. SynthFont.com Goldmidisf2. com Here's how you do it in New Sonar