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34 minutes ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said:

To reiterate a point others have made - Not all subscriptions are the same

100%

And the subscription isn't the real problem here.

I don't care if they want to offer a subscription that's fine - couldn't care less - I just won't subscribe.

The crux of the issue is what they have done to BIG spending and loyal users AND how they have done it - with zero warning - as sneakily and unpleasantly as possible.  They have potentially made that investment worthless.

If you need updates, for whatever reason, then you are basically FORCED to subscribe.  Then once you have subscribed there is no going back - it's a TRAP -  if you unsubscribe you lose access to the updated plugins so current/old projects won't load correctly.

They are saying 'you keep your existing licenses', great, but that's not what we (the customers) signed up for.  Bait and switch !

In my view there is zero excuse for this kind of immoral behaviour.  If they needed to do it or go out of business then they should have ceased trading.

EDIT

and if they are going bust, which is entirely possible, then you'd have to be very silly to subscribe, then start projects with plugins that will simply disappear without warning.

also they specifically say that those prices are for the FIRST year  - so even if they are around in 12 months who knows what you will need to pay !

if enough mark their emails as 'spam' then google (or whoever) will blacklist their mailserver

just sayin'

#wavesgoodbye 

FWIW - I bought the other two of these and won't be buying any more

it's a real random selection - not many actual sounds - no documentation of what sounds are mapped to what key - no proper drum machine type functions.

just my 2p obviously

was this SSL plug the one that was only available with a subscription ?

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yes it was ......and the day after the Waves fiasco it becomes available as a (very expensive !) perpetual license...or was it available a while ago

FWIW that statement by Gilad Keren has been there for years - it wasn't put there because of the current fiasco

yes, and it could have been user error, who knows ?  I assume that user said "waves creative access" because that's what the new Waves Central pushes ?

 Personally I'd advise anyone to wait and see what happens. There is nothing in the updates I need at this point so why risk anything

good to know it was reasonably smooth for you - be good if other people who are brave enough to update report back too

2 minutes ago, abacab said:

So I installed the updates for v14, and they are still working. The rest of my plug-ins are v12 and are still working, but the install option is no longer available for them in Waves Central. Instead I am directed to a support page "How to Install and Activate v12".

I notice that somebody on the Waves Forum reported that the new Waves Central actively uninstalled his V13 plugs ? which is worrying

https://forum.waves.com/t/waves-subscription-total-disapointment/7007

43 minutes ago, Johnbee58 said:

What they want is to lose the "Home Recordist" market and just serve the pros.

I really think that's an incorrect assumption.   On the contrary I think it's probably the other way round (very simplistically)

Of course I'm guessing neither of us were in the boardroom when it was discussed so of course we are guessing  

14 minutes ago, topaz said:

there are no excuses for this. 

+1

4 minutes ago, topaz said:

So waves update some plugins to HiDpi the day after stopping updates. 

Nice ?

to be fair (not sure that I want to be fair!) - if you already own V14 of the plugs then you get these for free (apparently) - even if you don't have WUP.

Waves have always allowed updates to the same version number without WUP, the problem arises when they add a minor feature and call it V15.

7 minutes ago, cclarry said:

I updated Waves Central, and my plugins still show up, but it's different

I think they've removed the ability to install any v11/12/13 plugins too - it's v14 or nothing. 

The Waves FAQ say to use the offline installer if you need anything prior to v13.

There is so much missing detail in the FAQ though, so it's unclear to me if you are actually agreeing to any new terms if you update Waves Central or any plugins.  There is certainly something about agreeing to surrender perpetual licences that somebody posted in another thread.

total sh!tshow - so I'm watching and waiting.

I've seen reports on other forums that people have updated both Waves Central and the v14 plugs and retained their perpetual licences.

I don't think it's worth the risk until we know more.  How can you trust Waves after this ?

I'm thinking of blocking Waves Central in Windows Firewall.

not a cat in h*lls chance I'm updating anything until the desk settles

I don't trust Waves in anyway shape or form at this point.

2 minutes ago, Luc said:

Yeah, I had hoped to at least get updates to V15 when that does come out on plugins with WUP.

Waves specifically say NO

on the FAQ

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I still have Waves Update Plan coverage on my products. Will I continue to receive updates? What happens when the coverage expires?

You will continue to receive updates for V14 plugins for the duration of your current Waves Update Plan coverage.

seems to me any WUP is now basically useless - so anybody already on v14 who WUPed has basically been ripped of IMO - Bapu doubly so !

1 minute ago, Luc said:

it's always been that we get updates within the same version number whether we're WUPped or not.

yes, you're right and I think there are some new V14 patches released today - I'm too scared to look

I think Bapu's WUP is only useful to get technical support - and zero use for anything else - maybe a couple of months free sub ?

basically a scam IMO !

1 minute ago, Bapu said:

Where I can possibly be "screwed" is if V15 comes out before my WUP is up as I can see them saying V14 is obsolete for updates/ new products as of V15.

probably out next week

FWIW here's my initial thoughts on the matter.

Waves will have totally expected this reaction - hence the secrecy about the changes.  

They have pretty much exhausted the perpetual plugin sales, with their constant $29 sales - and most users have everything they need. 

They don't release much new product so I expect they are seeing a greatly declining revenue........SO......they feel it's worth the gamble.  Do the 'reset' and start again with a subscription only service to protect or at least hopefully secure (?) future revenue.

Terrible for existing customers, but hey, they've got our money.   Why be anchored by all those 'legacy' users.   Just start again with a new user base.

Immoral (IMO) but probably good business sense.

2 minutes ago, cclarry said:

PS...for those who don't know...this is part of "The Great Reset" (and YES...it's REAL)
in which their OFFICIAL, VERIFIED, stated Motto is "You'll own NOTHING...and you'll be happy!"

seriously ?!? - where does it say that ?

it's almost funny 

Pro-tools-expert have some more information.

I particularly like this

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Some Waves users who own bundles will be able to get between 1-2 months for free.

So my mercury/abbeyroad/ssl etc gets me 2 months free - and I'm supposed to be grateful and continue to spend money with them.

As somebody who was ok with the WUP system I think this UNANNOUNCED change is outrageous

not sure what this means for my massive investment in Waves products - Mercury, SSL, Abbey Road etc ?

I'm out

2 hours ago, Luc said:

The account-related pages (My Products / Upgrades / Waves Update Plan, etc.) on the Waves site currently showing:

"Waves.com is undergoing maintenance. To access your Waves account or purchase Waves products at our online store, please try again later."

I'm getting a 502 error on the entire site

I'm holding off until this is fixed but FWIW it's 99.9999999% that it's a false positive

It's being triggered by the  Windows Defender realtime protection, which is basically a Machine Learning model - that's what the !ml stands for on the end of the warning.  It's taking a look at the file and thinking that it reminds it of that particular virus.

Either way, unless you absolutely MUST have those fixes I'd advise anyone to wait - why risk it ? 

I'm subscribed but I don't think I ever get these update emails - so grateful for you posting

this gets a +1 from me

6 minutes ago, Cameron Jeffrey said:

Woooaah!!! Danger danger!!! That's GAS speaking man!!! Seek help.

TBH if you are posting (or watching?) this forum then it's already too late for help !!