Man, I really don't understand IK's way of thinking anymore. The make some really great stuff..... but then they destroy all of it by their confusing marketing, what works with what, installation confusion, Jam Points, you name it. Take a look at pretty much any forum. IK is trashed for this everywhere. They HAVE to know this! I can only imagine them saying "Well, people still buy our stuff so nothing's broken" or "We have no idea how to reel this mess back in so let's just look away and keep putting out new stuff". They really need to do something at this point because there's a lot of people that have moved away from the brand because they just don't want to deal with it anymore, despite how good some of their stuff is. I just hope they can figure it out.