John Vere

Thanks for the Clarification @David Baay I'm going nuts trying to remember your old forum handle. But the avatar is sort of like recognizing and old friend but forgetting their name. Was it like Brundlfly?? Anyhow, I guess because I'm not dead sure which plug ins are the ones that cause trouble for years I've just toggled the global effects bypass when tracking. Just a old ,but I feel, good habit. I've never in my million years of midi had to do much else other than that and I generally never experience midi delay. I can think that a sluggish audio system -- read- on board audio , could also cause issues with latency. It does depend on the controller and I believe the ones that come with a proper midi driver seem to perform better. I have only one controller that uses Generic Midi drivers, Akai synth Station 25 and it is the only one where notes played seem always late on the grid. I'm no hot shot keyboard player but my timing is much better than that. If I use my Roland keyboard tracks are generally spot on but still badly played.

It is recommended you bypass all effects while recording both midi and audio to avoid the extra latency that effect plug ins can add to your system

It’s talked about a lot here about how important choosing the correct algorithm is to get good results. The OP mentioned a percussion loop. That might be a challenge if it contains multiple instruments @Arno if you post that loop here then I could see what happens with trying different settings

Not sure if the OP will come back but out of curiosity I opened Cakewalk on my Laptop which has ONLY the latest version of Cakewalk ( 058) installed. I don't have any version of Melodyne other than what everyone else would have on this machine. There are no other versions of Sonar or any other DAWs here. There is a difference between this and my main system. I opened a basic blank template and droped a bass track to the audio track. I then dragged this to the Midi track. I get this dialog box. With my Studio computer and Melodyne 5 I get the option to choose an Algorithm. Not here. The conversion happens quickly and I get a perfectly fine midi bass track If I highlight a small audio clip and create a regional effect I get Melodyne4 splash screen asking me to register and the "Player" will open. I cannot change the algorithm as it is greyed out. So with the unregistered version of Melodyne4 you are out of luck with trying different algorithm settings. It must be automatic. Here is the dialog I get with Melodyne 5 assistant on my Studio computer But the main thing is the audio to midi worked fine for me on the latest version of Cakewalk on the Laptop and without purchasing Melodyne. It just might not work as well on certain types of audio clips without the algorithm selections. So an upgrade will get you that advantage as well as a lot of other features you might find a use for. I only paid $100Can. for the Assistant version. It goes on sale all the time. Sign up for Emails.

As I said I’ve never had an issue with converting audio bass or single note guitar to midi. I’ve done this for years since it was first started. This feature is still available after the 30 days expires. It should work for everyone regardless of what version of Melodyne is installed. I never used the vocal pitch correction feature prior to version 5. I would use vvocal because I understood it better. But with the offer to upgrade to 5 I watched the tutorials and I think they reached a turning point with this software and I find it easy to use now. I would definitely recommend it if your working with vocal tracks. It has more than just pitch correction. There’s a bunch of tools. And I also use it to fix guitar bloopers

Yes in the wrong driver mode with on board audio this is normal. I was just doing something on my laptop and using on board. It took at least that long for me to hear the metronome in a blank project in MME mode. I had forgotten I had switched to MME for testing something else. WASAPI shared it was Ok. To the op. Really the best recommendation for anyone wishing to record audio is to purchase a proper ASIO Audio Interface. Problem solved. Nothing else will offer smooth sailing in Cakewalk or any DAW. You can use on board audio for playback and midi and using loops. But not recording audio with out latency.

I have the paid version ( Pro) of You Lean loudness meter. It allows me to drag and drop the audio track to the GUI and it tells me the true peak level and most importantly the LUFS. I can then decide that there is ,say , a 6db difference between those two tracks and simply turn the gain up ( or down) 6db. Then I listen to proof that this was correct. It almost always is. https://youlean.co/youlean-loudness-meter/

My conclusion with this issue is if you do not purchase Melodyne you will be using a dummied down version of Melodyne 4. Not 5. There were a lot of updates and improvements made to 5 , and for me everything started working smoothly. That said I never had an issue converting audio bass tracks to midi. Even years ago with Sonar Home Studio. This feature has always worked well for me and I have converted 100’s of bass tracks to midi I have also used it successfully for signal note guitar solos I turn in to keyboard parts For drums I use drum replacer. I drag the created track to a midi track and undo the regional effect. I use the midi data to trigger a drum VST. The built in drum replacer drum sounds are pretty bad.

Everything looks correct in the screen shots. If you activate the metronome during playback using the toggle do you hear the metronome? You should if you have headphones or if your stereo amp is connected to output 1/2 of the Focusrite. I don’t see any audio tracks or any VST instruments in the screen shots so not sure if this is your project off rig just a blank template

In I first got my Atari computer and wanted to record midi it became very obvious that I needed a midi keyboard. I had never played a piano before. But I could play the drums on it almost right away and soon I was playing bass lines too. in another short while I taught myself a bunch of piano chords and had totally memorized the note names.. I now enjoy playing my keyboards equally as much as guitar. Thank goodness for midi editing and quantizing!

Ya I saw that. The OP was asking which one to select... I say neither... The thing is you swicth to WASAPI your connections will be selected but with those drivers installed it will mess that all up. That's why you need to get them un installed and even remove them from the registry.

Those are both Asio4all type of drivers. They say ASIO but they are actually WDM wrapped. You can see they are not true ASIO because ASIO only allows one driver at a time. I tested them a year ago and they are a waste of time. Just like asio4all is now not needed. They fail the loop back test performed just like you would expect, with same results as WDM mode.

I don’t understand why people are making life more complicated by using these weird 3rd party audio drivers that obviously never work properly. Windows 10 and Cakewalk use WASAPI mode and most all people get very good performance out of it. That’s the recommendation by the developers. You should completely remove those drivers from you systems. They don’t add anything but a different fancy looking control panel. And everyone who’s come her with on board issues was trying to use them. You are always going to have issues until you get a proper ASIO audio interface but on board audio can work fine for a lot of tasks in Cakewalk other than recording audio. For that you need an interface. For now use WASAPI for on board audio and it should not have issues.

Generally when a VST plug acts this way I just delete it and move on to something that doesn’t screw up. There are lots of free or near to free VST’s that work just fine.

There are dedicated VST host software that might work better for you https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/ Lot of people do use Cakewalk however.

That’s not a regular folder for plug ins. move it to one that is included in the scan path list

Ah! but there’s the difference between those that have to ask questions on forums and those that answer questions on forums. Sorry it’s not meant to belittle the op or anyone else but it did just sort of came on like a light ? The internet has most certainly changed the way we learn. Almost everything has a YouTube somewhere out there. A quick look taught me that by default the keyboard sends on ch1 and the pads on ch10. Couldn’t find anything about splitting but I refuse to read the manual ?

Yes this is easy to do with my Roland. Some have 3 split points for People with 3 hands ? ✌️

I just looked this up. I don’t understand why it would be any different that using Cakewalk channel strip. Looks like a standard VST effect so just put it in the bin of the track or buss. But why you would do that is a mystery to me

This is sort of obvious but I do have to ask. You are connected to the keyboard controller with a midi cable? Not audio? If you insert a midi track, select your controller as the input does that record midi?

If your trying to use WASAPI mode with an interface or device that normally uses ASIO that device might not support both or none of the WASAPI modes. My Tascam us1641 doesn’t. So try WDM which is next best. Just don’t try any recording of overdubs as the will be out of sync

I’ve actually switched to the new add track method and started using simple instrument tracks. I was a die hard fan of having separate midi and instrument tracks Now I see the simple instrument track makes perfect sense to me for things that only use one midi track source I missed that the op was using Dim Pro. Ya it only uses one stereo output.

Your settings look correct if you wanted to have separate midi tracks and then instrument tracks. Are you recording to the midi track? You will only get a wave form if you recorded to the instrument track by mistake It’s a little used option most people want midi as data so they can edit

Well I’m Canadian and I only understand half of it. My favourite story was when we received a portable garage from Costco we were hoping to surprise my wife on Christmas Day with. They forgot to include the English language instructions. Only the French version was in the box. Between my kids and me we totally figured it out. They teach us French in school here but the only chance you get to practice at it is reading the back of the Corn flakes box.

Ok that’s what I mean it sucks when I post from my phone cause I can’t open cakewalk to check this stuff.