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As with a lot of things, repetition is very helpful. The first two times I tested S1 thinking I might switch, I just couldn't get comfortable with it. The third time was the charm, it now makes sense to me and I like it very much!

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16 hours ago, jesse g said:

Dave,

I 've been using Sonar since 2.2 and loved it, but I need to work better in my DAW and that's when I decided to go to Studio One 6.  I didn't bail on CbB, I just found another DAW that meets my needs better;  I jut don't use it as often

I use Hardware when I mix and  Sonar or CbB use of External Insert  is what made me go to Studio One, AND the drag and drop for nearly everything in Studio One is incredible.  You would be surprised to find out that there are a great number of CbB members who use Studio One as their Main DAW.

For mixing, I may use my WA stereo Bus Comp or any one of my 3 stereo compressors for that matter.  When I add them to the external Effects rack in CbB, I can ONLY add a stereo pair OR a mono pair, but I can't add both.   So If I want to use a Stereo Comp on the master bus,  and then on the next take of a Vocal use the  Mono Left side of that Compressor, I can't because you have to remove the Stereo pair to add just the Mono left channel in CbB, and this is ridiculous. With Studio One, I can add a Hardware Stereo processor and then also add its  Left Mono and Right  Mono channels as well.   CbB will not allow me to do this at all, You will have to remove the Stereo Compressor to add the left channel or right channel only because CbB thinks it is currently being used.

Pipeline XT Use with Hardware

 

The routing is easy, similar to CbB but it's better.  I drop and FX on a channel's send and it immediately creates a Bus for it

 

FWIW, The new Cakewalk Sonar has the same type of feature (drop FX on a channel send to automatically create the effect bus).

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On 5/3/2024 at 11:15 AM, Jim Roseberry said:

FWIW, The new Cakewalk Sonar has the same type of feature (drop FX on a channel send to automatically create the effect bus).

Thanks Jim.

I wasn't aware of this new feature.   There are some components of Cakewalk that I like  better than studio One and that is  it's ability to use the MCU Protocol .   Studio does use some of it, but not like Cakewalk did.  Since Studio has it's own controller, the MCU protocol for Studio one doesn't allow the use any Controller to work properly.  I purchased an ICon QCon Pro G2 Controller and it is very limited in Studio One but works great in CbB.  So there are some ups and downs in both.   But as I said, I like to use hardware  processors, so I need to have those connected as stereo and Mono for my work flow and studio One does that flawlessly for me. 

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6 hours ago, jesse g said:

  There are some components of Cakewalk that I like  better than studio One and that is  it's ability to use the MCU Protocol .   Studio does use some of it, but not like Cakewalk did. 

There are even SONAR lexan overlays  floating around out there, to use with the Mackie master universals.

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11 minutes ago, John Nelson said:

There are even SONAR lexan overlays  floating around out there, to use with the Mackie master universals.

Yes, I have one for Cakewalk Sonar and one for Studio One. but the studio one overlay has much fewer functions.

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Studio One does work well with some controllers outside of their own. The ones from Nektar (mostly keyboard controllers, but there is also one stand-alone controller) have excellent integration. It appears that PreSonus and Nektar collaborated on the integrations. From my personal experience, I heartily recommend them.

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On 5/4/2024 at 12:49 AM, ptheisen said:

As with a lot of things, repetition is very helpful. The first two times I tested S1 thinking I might switch, I just couldn't get comfortable with it. The third time was the charm, it now makes sense to me and I like it very much!

That was pretty much the same for me back in 2015,  the apparent smallness of things put me right off first time, I can't remember how it actually went, but I kept going back to try it again, and after the 2nd or 3rd try there was no turning back, still on the straight and narrow and so glad I jumped ship way back then.

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Just wondering, it would seem a no-brainer to apply AI to a DAW, starting with MIDI, where it could go far beyond basic quantization in fixing timing issues, it could do a far better job of humanizing feel or fixing inconsistencies in feel, fixing out of scale notes, etc. -- with ease. Does anyone know if Cakewalk is working on anything like that?

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@jesse g hey jesse g, I remember you were interested in atmos/immersive stuff, I pointed you earlier to some of Craig Andertons 'Fridays Tip of the Week' for Studio One, he has since done a couple more on that subject that you may find of interest.

https://blog.presonus.com/category/friday-tip-of-the-week/

Just search back a little and you should find them, you may also find them in the news feed on the right side when you fire up Studio One, not sure how far back that goes though. But if you are into that stuff you may well find them useful.

 

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On 5/8/2024 at 12:18 AM, Heath Row said:

@jesse g hey jesse g, I remember you were interested in atmos/immersive stuff, I pointed you earlier to some of Craig Andertons 'Fridays Tip of the Week' for Studio One, he has since done a couple more on that subject that you may find of interest.

https://blog.presonus.com/category/friday-tip-of-the-week/

Just search back a little and you should find them, you may also find them in the news feed on the right side when you fire up Studio One, not sure how far back that goes though. But if you are into that stuff you may well find them useful.

 

Heath Row, 

Yes, I remember and I looked into it.  I read his articles and watched multiple videos on the subject.  All in all, Atmos is too expensive for me right now.  I looked at the KRK Atmos setup and the Kali Audio Atmos setup but buying all of those darn monitors is just too $$$$, and those are the inexpensive setups.   I will stick with stereo for now. 

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He's done more since then, and you can just use your headphones, he explains something like most/alot places that you upload your stuff to are requiring both versions now days, stereo and atmos/immersive and how that is only going to increase, and how most users listen with some sort of headphones/in ear things.

Anyway, I just thought I would let you know.

All the best. 👍

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On 5/9/2024 at 8:32 AM, Heath Row said:

He's done more since then, and you can just use your headphones, he explains something like most/alot places that you upload your stuff to are requiring both versions now days, stereo and atmos/immersive and how that is only going to increase, and how most users listen with some sort of headphones/in ear things.

Anyway, I just thought I would let you know.

All the best. 👍

Thanks Heath Row,

Much appreciated.  After you mentioned Dolby Atmos on the Headphones, I read a few great article.  I am looking more into it now. 👍

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On 4/30/2024 at 5:13 PM, Dave Maffris said:

so I went to Bandlab's site and found the pricing for the "membership" subscription, which would include the backstage pass access to the upcoming Sonar release. I didn't necessarily see anything groundbreaking that Sonar will offer that Cbb doesn't already, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway, the membership price for Bandlab is $150 a year. Probably about what other subscription services are offering, but it was way more than I expected--having been spoiled by Cbb being free for all these years now.

Don't know if I will subscribe, but I am curious to whether the Sonar "upgrade", as it is being called by Bandlab, is truly a worthwhile upgrade--and no longer free, too. I have invested so many years in Cakewalk, starting in the mid- 1990's and am so entrenched that I cannot still wrap my head around Studio One, which I purchased when I thought Cakewalk was going away forever. I almost wish I could migrate successfully to another DAW, but when Cakewalk came around I found it the only DAW I had tried up to that time which I truly "got" and could master, more or less. Produced so many albums for myself and others with it--I hate change--as I am in my 70's now, it gets harder and harder. Oh well. I'm just venting.

I am in the almost exact same situation. I'm 53, started with the very readly begginnings of DAWs in 1993 using Cakewalk. I bought Studio One when Cakewalk Sonar disappeared, based on reviewers who said Studio One was a "game changer", "so easy on the workflow" etc.  8 years after, I still can't figure out how to make a song in Studio one without wasting loads of time, I have never managed to get a grip on it, and I regret having purchased it. 

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6 hours ago, Esteban Villanova said:

I'm pretty sure the free CbB will continue to work for A LONG time. Just keep a Windows machine without updating for it. Old software is not bad software. Plenty of professional studios are still running Windows 7 with old DAWs. Just focus on your music and have fun with it!

I actually wouldn't be worried about it very much at all if it wasn't for the short and now quirky mandatory re authorization that we have seen over the past year or so 

That and the VST3 problems with the folder structure some manufacturers now use which may require manual manipulation to make things work even after a basic update.

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1 hour ago, Brian Walton said:

I actually wouldn't be worried about it very much at all if it wasn't for the short and now quirky mandatory re authorization that we have seen over the past year or so 

That and the VST3 problems with the folder structure some manufacturers now use which may require manual manipulation to make things work even after a basic update.

Yeah, but unless they decide to completely phase off the free version, it should re-authorize with no problem. And even if they do... well, even free DAWs have 'nulled' versions. 😉

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8 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

I actually wouldn't be worried about it very much at all if it wasn't for the short and now quirky mandatory re authorization that we have seen over the past year or so 

That and the VST3 problems with the folder structure some manufacturers now use which may require manual manipulation to make things work even after a basic update.

100+

The monthly re-authorization definitely changed my mind! I've dropped CbB, use Platinum now! With 3 PCs (2 offline) this is too much hassle, eating up a precious resource: time!

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3 hours ago, Esteban Villanova said:

Yeah, but unless they decide to completely phase off the free version, it should re-authorize with no problem. And even if they do... well, even free DAWs have 'nulled' versions. 😉

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need more smileys on this forum, couldn't find the shocked face.

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5 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

That and the VST3 problems with the folder structure some manufacturers now use which may require manual manipulation to make things work even after a basic update.

Audio Assault has taken the bull by the horns, with the latest release of Amp Locker, v1.1.6w under 'Fixes' it gives you . . .

"Windows Installer will now let you select between the old vst3 binary or the new vst3 bundle format for hosts that don't support the bundle"

Personally I just keep going with the 'Bundle' method as Studio One seems to have no issue with it, various vendors have been releasing by that method for quite some time and there's been no issues for me.

If every vendor took up Audio Assaults lead (unlikely) it wouldn't be an issue for anyone.

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21 minutes ago, Heath Row said:

Audio Assault has taken the bull by the horns, with the latest release of Amp Locker, v1.1.6w under 'Fixes' it gives you . . .

"Windows Installer will now let you select between the old vst3 binary or the new vst3 bundle format for hosts that don't support the bundle"

Personally I just keep going with the 'Bundle' method as Studio One seems to have no issue with it, various vendors have been releasing by that method for quite some time and there's been no issues for me.

If every vendor took up Audio Assaults lead (unlikely) it wouldn't be an issue for anyone.

Oh, it's the boon of VST3 for the users ... 

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