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6 hours ago, Steev said:

Move to WHERE? Linux? That's an enormous step BACKWARDS. To be perfectly realistic, there are really only 2 really good choices for solid performing  DAWs... Windows 10 or Apple OS-X? As far as I can see that's the only realistic answer/choices to your $64K question😂. Do you have any  idea how much a decent Mac recording rig costs that can hold a candle to a Windows10 Cakewalk computer workstation? And what are the costs suffered by "the learning curve of using an entirely different OS"?

But let's forget learning curves and money, considering updates to Win 10 from Win 7 are remarkably small learning curve as their GUI's are very close to each othe,r and updating to Cakewalk are both FREE. ( and yes you can still update from Win 7 to Win 10 for free). If you get angry with you "freedom of choices" and forced updates from Microsoft, you're guaranteed a miserable life of LIVIDITY moving on to Apple. You only have one choice to run new software on an outdated version of OS-X. And that choice is YOU CAN'T. Apple won't let you.  Nor can you choose to run and old trusty beloved antiquated Firewire 400 audio interface that you love so much you want to be buried with on a modern Mac because the answer is simple as YOU CAN'T. Why? because Apple won't LET YOU! I personally know this to be true because I have 2 rather pricy Firewire 400 audio interfaces that were turned into paperweights because of this. My MOTU 8 and an AVID M box Pro. Both tested and work well on a Windows machine running ASIO drivers, just not as speedy as ANY USB 2 audio interfaces. And speaking of drivers, Apple doesn't support ASIO driver, they only support their Core Audio drivers. Windows 7 may not support the Windows 10 dramatically improved WDDM drivers, but it still supports ASIO drivers. I'm not even sure if Win 7 even supports the radically improved wonders of ARA and VST 3 technology at all? I'm not sure about that, but I don't really care. But I am sure about the fact that Win 10 is SO MUCH BETTER, FASTER, SMARTER (due to telemetry), maintenance free, and secure then Win 7 across the board that I don't have to because I no linger have to worry about these and so many others things anymore.

With all due respect my friend there was a time when  luddites said that about electricity. They argued; "Why do we a light bulb when a kerosene lantern can burn so much more brightly?" But the world kept on turning as electricity came to pass, and people would evolve and realize how much better the electric light bulb was and how much better, cleaner, healthier, and so much less expensive their homes were to live in, and as a result, they managed to save up enough money to by more freedom, as in, in the shape of a new Ford, a.k.a an automobile.

 But the luddites argued; "Why would you need an automobile when a horse and buggy is so much better? Can an automobile be your friend or find it's way home if you get lost?" But the world kept on turning as mass manufacturing progressed and as the people came to realize that even though a Ford isn't necessarily loving friend, it wouldn't get angry bite you if it thought you were ignoring it and getting a little too slow providing scheduled meals. But a Ford doesn't care how much food is in it's belly and it doesn't have to be fed every day whether you use it or not. The only thing a Ford will do to you to get even is leave you stranded on the road if you forget to feed it, but who's fault is that? And so naturally progression took it's course, and people started to realize that  there was nothing inherently evil about automobiles. And as such, saved up enough money to replace their aging local telegraph operator service with a telephone in their own home. Of course what with being a luddite and all, their aging local telegraph operator didn't appreciate this act of treason as much as those committing it, but........... Well your local landline telecommunications providers don't really have any more appreciation for cellular service providers then your broadcast media providers do for the Internet, now do they?

But tough tutties for the luddites, because you can't stop the world from turning and evolving, and without evolution there would be no progress, and if the luddites had their way we wouldn't be here right now because we would not only have "None of these things." and it would be a never ending and ultimately improbable chore to try and get the smell of kerosene out of our hair and clothes.

 And so as the story goes... Windows 7 was freak'in AWESOME for it's decade, but it's decade has PASSED and now it's as silly and dangerous as using kerosene lanterns because both pose extreme security risks.. Windows 7 was never intended to be a life long friend, and now, it not only holds you back from progressing, your standing on shaky, unstable grounds as the world continues to turn and evolve, you are one update away from blowing up and nuking you entire computer and taking Cakewalk by Bandlab with it.. And if that's not DANGEROUS I don't know what is!

Luddite to Steev: I have another backup option if they take my Cakewalk away from me because I choose not to use Windows 10: sonar 8.5. On windows 7. forever. Days Of Future Passed  all over again. 

Also: Why do you care so much what operating system I use? Nothing better to do than try to re-educate me? Who cares? Get a life. 

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7 hours ago, Steev said:

(...) And so as the story goes... Windows 7 was freak'in AWESOME for it's decade, but it's decade has PASSED and now it's as silly and dangerous as using kerosene lanterns because both pose extreme security risks.. Windows 7 was never intended to be a life long friend, and now, it not only holds you back from progressing, your standing on shaky, unstable grounds as the world continues to turn and evolve, you are one update away from blowing up and nuking you entire computer and taking Cakewalk by Bandlab with it.. And if that's not DANGEROUS I don't know what is!

 

If Win 10 is more secure than their previous systems (Win7 for that matter), then take a look here:


https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=windows+security+update+windows+10


and ask yourself why Microsoft already had to release several hundreds security updates for it, and still releases about two dozens every month.

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Um.... That's why W10 is more secure: they're still issuing security updates.

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6 hours ago, bdickens said:

Um.... That's why W10 is more secure: they're still issuing security updates.

Would you consider a car that requires security related fixes 150 times a year to operate properly SAFE?

I wouldn't.  I'd rather consider it poorly designed (or  made).

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47 minutes ago, MisterX said:
7 hours ago, bdickens said:

Um.... That's why W10 is more secure: they're still issuing security updates.

Would you consider a car that requires security related fixes 150 times a year to operate properly SAFE?

I wouldn't.  I'd rather consider it poorly designed (or  made).

Windows is like living organism. Just like your body needs antibodies, it needs security updates. Because there are too many attacks outside, that's why they call viruses. More care comes more health. Also your car needs some care by time too. But needs are different.

If the company stops updates it means if there are some vulnerabilities, you're taking risk. When company stops updates, that doesn't mean it's perfect, they do it because over time it becomes expensive to continue serving for an old app.

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Imagine you and a friend each have to walk home along a very dangerous route in the city. You both think it's a good idea to hire security guards to walk with you, each from a different company.

Your friend has a guard from Company W10. After every journey, he sits down and works out what could have been done to keep your friend safe and gets training every few days to fill in the blanks of his knowledge. It's more work for the guard, but ultimately your friend is much safer and the contract is ongoing too.

Meanwhile, you've hired a guard from Company W7. This guard only gets periodic bits of training, so any savvy criminals were able to steal your wallet every now and then until he learned new techniques on how to stop them. Then, the guard stops his training contract so he doesn't learn anything past what he knew a few years ago when the contract expired, while the criminals have moved on to newer and more sophisticated ways of stealing your stuff.

Which guard would you prefer to have walk with you  through the city?

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1 hour ago, murat k. said:

Windows is like living organism. Just like your body needs antibodies, it needs security updates. Because there are too many attacks outside, that's why they call viruses. More care comes more health. Also your car needs some care by time too. But needs are different.

If the company stops updates it means if there are some vulnerabilities, you're taking risk. When company stops updates, that doesn't mean it's perfect, they do it because over time it becomes expensive to continue serving for an old app.

Sure, our cars need some care & maintenance from time to time, but certainly not every other day for 10  years or so! Unless they're seriously broken by design, that is. 

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3 hours ago, MisterX said:

Would you consider a car that requires security related fixes 150 times a year to operate properly SAFE?

I wouldn't.  I'd rather consider it poorly designed (or  made).

YES! It's preventive maintenance. There's no such thing as perfection, but it keeps your system as safe as possible. I'm pleased that they are making such an effort to try to keep ahead of the real problems that Hackers never stop trying to cause. And that's never ending story. Just like a 10 year car that wasn't properly maintained, it becomes more problematic and expensive to keep on the road the a new car.

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46 minutes ago, Steev said:

YES! It's preventive maintenance. There's no such thing as perfection, but it keeps your system as safe as possible. I'm pleased that they are making such an effort to try to keep ahead of the real problems that Hackers never stop trying to cause. And that's never ending story. Just like a 10 year car that wasn't properly maintained, it becomes more problematic and expensive to keep on the road the a new car.

if an operating system requires 150 security fixes yearly (let alone hundreds of other ones) it's quite far from perfection. At least to me. As for system updates - it's an arms race, indeed, and that's a good reason to stay offline with a music production machine, regardless of system used.

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PC shop owner for 25 years. Used to do at least two virus/malware removals a day up to and including Win 7, regardless of the 3rd party anti-virus being used. With Win 10, using built-in along with Malware bytes, the only ones we see are customers responding to stupid emails that didn't get blocked. Bad for us, good for us lol. 

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3 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Imagine you and a friend each have to walk home along a very dangerous route in the city......

 

Which guard would you prefer to have walk with you  through the city?

If the city was that dangerous I wouldn't walk through it.

 

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23 minutes ago, MisterX said:

if an operating system requires 150 security fixes yearly (let alone hundreds of other ones) it's quite far from perfection. At least to me. As for system updates - it's an arms race, indeed, and that's a good reason to stay offline with a music production machine, regardless of system used.

I'd like to stay offline with my music production machine all the time but now, with the new Windows 10 system it's not an option anymore. With their feature updates every 6 months they may eventually break old ways of working for some programs and then the developers have to adjust with their software updates to make things rolling again. So, you either stay offline on an older Windows version and won't be able to update other programs or you risk breaking compatibility - like Cakewalk is constantly being updated and maintained but officially requires the most recent Windows 10 version - or you're spending way too much time updating all your software every week and sometimes fighting issues from it instead of just doing music. Bad choice.

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5 hours ago, MisterX said:

Would you consider a car that requires security related fixes 150 times a year to operate properly SAFE?

I wouldn't.  I'd rather consider it poorly designed (or  made).

 

1 hour ago, MisterX said:

Sure, our cars need some care & maintenance from time to time, but certainly not every other day for 10  years or so! Unless they're seriously broken by design, that is. 

An OS is not a car.

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13 minutes ago, chris.r said:

I'd like to stay offline with my music production machine all the time but now, with the new Windows 10 system it's not an option anymore. With their feature updates every 6 months they may eventually break old ways of working for some programs and then the developers have to adjust with their software updates to make things rolling again. So, you either stay offline on an older Windows version and won't be able to update other programs or you risk breaking compatibility - like Cakewalk is constantly being updated and maintained but officially requires the most recent Windows 10 version - or you're spending way too much time updating all your software every week and sometimes fighting issues from it instead of just doing music. Bad choice.

Didn't have a single software compatibility issue on my Win7 audio system so far. I'm OK to stay on Win7 "forever",  'cause what I have is more than I need, anyway. My only concern ATM is that it may be hard to find a decent Win7-compatible mainboard once mine is dead. but I'm already working on it.

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The reality is this: Win7 is EOL now. There's no support for it from Microsoft and CbB isn't actively being tested on it anymore. That's not to say it won't work on Win7 but the Bakers aren't 100% ensuring it works since the OS is basically a dead end. Going forward, you'll find more and more software and hardware that won't work with Win7, so your options are basically this:

Use your current Win7 compatible software and hardware and wait for it to all eventually die out. Then you have to choose where to go from there.

You can hunt around for old parts and keep trying to piece together old hardware and outdated software to stay in that old ecosystem, and miss out on the performance gains and enhancement the current gen of gear has.

Or you can move to Mac, possibly having to re-buy a lot of stuff and learn a new DAW, and then having to choose wisely because Mac is in a transition between Intel and M1 hardware, and a lot of software still has to phone home on a Mac regardless, and they get a fair amount of updates a year like Win10 does.

Or you can move to Linux and have to deal with an extremely limited amount of hardware and software and less than idea troubleshooting if anything goes wrong, since it's not on any of the other two mainstream operating systems.

The computer world is a very different place now than it was 10 years ago, and it's rare to find anyone not embracing a fully connected world, and will be even more so going forward as the old deprecated software and hardware fades away. I know I'd much rather make plans to ensure I have a future with what I did rather than finding one day that the world has moved on without me and I'm stuck making a very hard choice when something I rely on no longer works in the not-to-distant future.

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1 hour ago, bdickens said:

 

An OS is not a car.

Sorry, didn't know that. Next time I'll use a train to draw an analogy.

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By now, rest assured those of us using Windows 7 have heard all the arguments posted above by various people. We are completely aware that Windows 7 is EOL. I began  preparing for it a few years ago, when it became obvious to me that Microsoft was only interested in monetizing me. I started using Linux for my online "work" (checking the handful of forums I visit each day, and deleting the spam email I get, from people trying to monetize me. There's a reason Microsoft wants you online 100% of the time).

Please, keep the sermons to yourselves. We Luddites may not be as stupid as you think. There's a very good chance I will be able to use at least Sonar for the rest of my life. One, I'm just a hobbyist. No pressure to perform or produce. Two, I'm almost 70, and it's likely my rig will continue to work as long as I'm around, and still wanting to do music. Three, I have all the software I am ever likely to need.

As for security, as I said, when online I'm on Linux. I keep my music machine offline by default. And I run paid AV on it just in case. And I practice safe habits, which is 90% of security.

I don't care what operating system, music software or computer hardware anyone uses. and it continues to baffle me that so many people do seem to care, and rather passionately, that a few people have decided they don't like the direction things are going in. We're not subversives, trying to prevent the relentless march of progress. but we do have the right to voice our opinions, participate in the discussion, etc. Unfortunately,  a few here seem to lose it when we do. Quite innocuous remarks elicit multi-paragraph responses with colorful prose, and even name-calling. Kind of resembles religious fanaticism. As if our souls were in mortal danger.

Again, WHO CARES? Do what you want. I respect your right to make intelligent decisions about how to make your music. please respect mine. Resist that need to warn me that I am about to fall off a cliff. I assure you I am not.

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1 hour ago, Lord Tim said:

and miss out on the performance gains and enhancement the current gen of gear has.

This is one of the illusions that many "novelty-fanatics" have! I would say minimum 80-90% of the power of new gear is being eaten by new software (included Windows 10, and CbB). And we are not talking about the time lost to keep the software "new"! Regrettably there are not many software developers like Cockos (Reaper) that cherish the users hardware by producing really efficient software and respecting older systems!

1 hour ago, Lord Tim said:

The computer world is a very different place now than it was 10 years ago, and it's rare to find anyone not embracing a fully connected world, and will be even more so going forward as the old deprecated software and hardware fades away. I know I'd much rather make plans to ensure I have a future with what I did rather than finding one day that the world has moved on without me and I'm stuck making a very hard choice when something I rely on no longer works in the not-to-distant future.

Yes, it is very different in that a lot of software has become less professional. If I compare contemporary software (plugins, DAWs and operation systems) with the ones of 10 years ago, then I can't see a lot of real improvements, but I see a lot of trouble for its users (bugs, permanent updates, instability, resource eaters, intrusion by online enforcement, authorization issues by system and hardware changes, ...). But you are right, we can't change the world, thus we have to deal with the future (that's often some kind of past!). For this reason I collect a lot of hassle free music software that does not have too many requirements.

The image you paint of the future seems to be very dark! Just look at people using happily 20 year old software today (like old Sonar versions)! Most of this old software is still running perfectly. For emergency I have also 2 old harddisk recorders that are running without doubt and you can still buy similar ones!

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...I know it's not true, but after paying of Cakewalk/SONAR for so many years it doesn't feel Free. just want to say to the free users you're welcome. lol
Also When Gibson made their crap move, I did not panic and jump ship to studio one,  just like toilet paper people were loosing their minds.
For me this is the best and most stable version. The MIDI and Articulation map updates are so cool!
Can someone please explain how a company that makes an app free makes money?
 

 

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