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Hello All

I watched a YT video that showed routing the midi track out to TAL, but when open the midi track out, the TAL plugin isn't an option.

I inserted the TAL plugin into the audio track that I want to effect, but I still don't see a way to route the midi track to TAL.

Any help is appreciated!

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I presume you are talking about one of their synthesisers.

You cannot add a MIDI track and think you can route it to any synth/instrument that you have. You must first add the synth to the project, and only then you can route a MIDI track to it.

There is more than one way to add a synth/instrument, but this is the closest to what you describe:
Create a new blank project.
From the Browser drag the TAL synthesiser to the track pane.
In the dialog, select MIDI source and First Synth Audio Output.
You will have an instrument-audio track and a MIDI track.
Click on the MIDI track.
Open the Inspector. (Views -> Inspector.)
Look right at the bottom of the left-hand channel strip.
O (output) will be routed to the synth. Whichever one you added. (The name can be abbreviated a bit, but you will recognise it.)

If you want to route the MIDI to a different synth/instrument add it to the project. Then you can route the MIDI track to it.

By the way, when you add things to an audio track, you add effects. Reverbs, equalisers, compressors and the like. They go onto audio tracks that already have audio in them to change the audio.

 




 


 

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IIRC, TAL Vocoder scans as an effect so use option 2

 

 

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16 minutes ago, scook said:

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Nigel Mackay said:

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4 hours ago, Nigel Mackay said:

I presume you are talking about one of their synthesisers.

You cannot add a MIDI track and think you can route it to any synth/instrument that you have. You must first add the synth to the project, and only then you can route a MIDI track to it.

There is more than one way to add a synth/instrument, but this is the closest to what you describe:
Create a new blank project.
From the Browser drag the TAL synthesiser to the track pane.
In the dialog, select MIDI source and First Synth Audio Output.
You will have an instrument-audio track and a MIDI track.
Click on the MIDI track.
Open the Inspector. (Views -> Inspector.)
Look right at the bottom of the left-hand channel strip.
O (output) will be routed to the synth. Whichever one you added. (The name can be abbreviated a bit, but you will recognise it.)

If you want to route the MIDI to a different synth/instrument add it to the project. Then you can route the MIDI track to it.

By the way, when you add things to an audio track, you add effects. Reverbs, equalisers, compressors and the like. They go onto audio tracks that already have audio in them to change the audio.

 




 


 

Thanks, but no. I'm not referring to a synth. Vocoders are a unique animal where a midi signal powers the effect on audio tracks. They are an audio effect.

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Yeah, now that you mention it, the vocoder only has a "MIDI in" option but it is off by default too. The link discusses MIDI output but the idea is similar.

The MIDI I/O options on the standard header VST drop down control whether a plug-in shows up in MIDI input and output drop downs. Effects and synths have different defaults for these options.

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45 minutes ago, scook said:

Yeah, now that you mention it, the vocoder only has a "MIDI in" option but it is off by default too. The link discusses MIDI output but the idea is similar.

The MIDI I/O options on the standard header VST drop down control whether a plug-in shows up in MIDI input and output drop downs. Effects and synths have different defaults for these options.

Very cool. I'm in studio now and it worked great. Thanks again.

BTW - on the VST3 version of TAL Vocoder 2 that I have, a MIDI out option is not available in the dropdown. You don't really need it, I guess.

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Really?

I just updated to v2.1.3 from

https://tal-software.com/products/tal-vocoder

The website shows v2.1.2 but the plug-ins reports v2.1.3

and it has "Enable MIDI Out" disabled

 

MIDI Out is not needed for the vocoder. It uses MIDI data to control the plug-in but does not have to generate or pass through MIDI data.

 

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3 hours ago, scook said:

Really?

I just updated to v2.1.3 from

https://tal-software.com/products/tal-vocoder

The website shows v2.1.2 but the plug-ins reports v2.1.3

and it has "Enable MIDI Out" disabled

 

MIDI Out is not needed for the vocoder. It uses MIDI data to control the plug-in but does not have to generate or pass through MIDI data.

 

I think we're saying the same thing. There is no midi out option available.

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TAL- Vocoder II is the only vocoder I've ever gotten to work. Until iZotope and Pluginboutique put VocalSynth up for $9.99, it's my jam.

One thing I'd like to be able to do is use something other than the internal synth as a carrier. I've tried a few times and always had to fall back to their internal synth, which is great for its purpose, but still, I'd like to be able to feed it other sounds.

If anyone has successfully worked out the routing, please let me know.

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44 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

One thing I'd like to be able to do is use something other than the internal synth as a carrier. I've tried a few times and always had to fall back to their internal synth, which is great for its purpose, but still, I'd like to be able to feed it other sounds.

Try this

  • With the vocoder in the audio track FX rack enable the INPUT MODE ON and SC button in the vocoder UI
  • Add an instrument track with the output set to the vocoder side channel and enable input echo
  • Start the transport
  • Play the synth
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