Starise 873 Posted March 13, 2020 Maybe I should but no, I don't really care what Stephen Hawking thinks (thought). Same as Einstein he got a few of his calculations wrong. Free will as I see it is the ability to determine our own direction. Just look at the world around you. Much of the problem is that people are doing what they want to do. One person can impose their free will over another person if they have the power to do that. In that sense wills can clash. My boss could decide to fire me on the spot for no reason other than he wanted to do it. He made a decision I was forced to accept. That still would not change MY will that I wanted to keep working. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: yeah but you need to define "free will" before we can discuss it 🙄 yo dude! As in all things, let me resort to the internet for my answer. Mind you, I am not endorsing any of these definitions, as the person spouting them may be a dolt, I am just using them as a reference point. Here are three different definitions, based on three different conceptions of free will: "Free will is the ability to do whatever we want independently of determining factors." "Free will is the ability to make choices based on our desires with the physical possibility of having done otherwise." "Free will is the ability to carry out what we want without being coerced or constrained to do something different. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Starise said: Maybe I should but no, I don't really care what Stephen Hawking thinks (thought). Same as Einstein he got a few of his calculations wrong. Free will as I see it is the ability to determine our own direction. Just look at the world around you. Much of the problem is that people are doing what they want to do. One person can impose their free will over another person if they have the power to do that. In that sense wills can clash. My boss could decide to fire me on the spot for no reason other than he wanted to do it. He made a decision I was forced to accept. That still would not change MY will that I wanted to keep working. Hmmmm, yes, I see, that seems to make sense. I very much agree with your comment about the "clash of wills." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: not now he's dead, right? The fellas that wrote the 1st Amendment are dead too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pwalpwal 1,031 Posted March 13, 2020 what was the question, again, please? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: what was the question, again, please? Twizzlers or Red Vines? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pwalpwal 1,031 Posted March 13, 2020 red twizzlers pls k thx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigb 3,077 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jesse Screed said: yo dude! As in all things, let me resort to the internet for my answer. Mind you, I am not endorsing any of these definitions, as the person spouting them may be a dolt, I am just using them as a reference point. Here are three different definitions, based on three different conceptions of free will: "Free will is the ability to do whatever we want independently of determining factors." "Free will is the ability to make choices based on our desires with the physical possibility of having done otherwise." "Free will is the ability to carry out what we want without being coerced or constrained to do something different. Alternative plot: Although I would contend from LOTS of things I've read and proofs I've seen that everything is BOTH evolutionary AND creationist (though by whom is in question), even if things are evolutionary, it's obvious that nature tries paths that are not along the main line. If the result is better, it gets incorporated (i.e., evolution heads in that direction), if not, it gets discarded. Unfortunately, the entity heading off the beaten path may believe they are utilizing free will, but are they? 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, pwalpwal said: red twizzlers pls k thx I expected this, it is exactly the kind of narrow minded philistine lack of understanding I expect from an uninspired piece of trash like you. Sitting on your detestable pimple ridden buttocks, not caring about anything. edit, just in case anyone is wondering, this is sarcasm. I stole it from Monty Python /s Thanks to Monty Python for the insult. Thanks to Strummer for the spacing idea. I prefer Twizzlers myself, I guess we can be friends now.🤣 Edited March 13, 2020 by Jesse Screed 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starise 873 Posted March 13, 2020 Wow is it a full moon or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mitch_I 11 Posted March 13, 2020 Check out The Case Against Free Will by David Lieberman. Also think of the brain as a computer, with inputs and processing. The inputs are your experience. The processing is either built in or based on your experience. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesse Screed 323 Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Starise said: Wow is it a full moon or something? Starise, did you miss the /s at the end of the post? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InstrEd 1,964 Posted March 13, 2020 20 hours ago, Jesse Screed said: This is a serious question which may lead to a war of words but a war of words is better than a nucular war I'm on the fence about freewill. who made me do this, me? don't be the proverbial fly on the toilet seat I sat on the proverbial fly on the toilet seat. What does that mean. Have I started a chain reaction that will end us in nuclear war... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antler 654 Posted March 13, 2020 Yes. Will is actually 85% off... available for $29.99 for one week only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antler 654 Posted March 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, InstrEd said: I sat on the proverbial fly on the toilet seat. What does that mean. Have I started a chain reaction that will end us in nuclear war... More likely it resulted in you proverbially launching a torpedo/depth charger... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdickens 226 Posted March 13, 2020 Hume pointed out that just because you can predict a person's actions with uncanny accuracy does not mean that he does not freely choose them. Neal Peart also pointed out that "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveStrummerUK 1,034 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jesse Screed said: Thanks to Strummer for the spacing idea. My pleasure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveStrummerUK 1,034 Posted March 13, 2020 51 minutes ago, InstrEd said: I sat on the proverbial fly on the toilet seat. What does that mean. Have I started a chain reaction that will end us in nuclear war... In one strand of the multiverse it's quite possible that you have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulo 1,964 Posted March 13, 2020 6 hours ago, pwalpwal said: not now he's dead, right? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toddskins 58 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Jesse Screed said: What are the alternatives Todd? You know the alternative. I already shared it, but the world is so full of hatred against Him, that He and His followers are censored. So all the most important things in life are taboo to speak about. People are willing to be stifled and censored and enslaved. Anything, but God! Anything! If I write again at length my account will be suspended, I suspect. Edited March 13, 2020 by Toddskins 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
