Michael Fogarty

I did a bunch of kids songs for some friends dragging and dropping the media files drum loops into the timeline -a great shortcut for recording live drums or tapping them out since they are for simple kids songs. However, after a clean install to Windows 10 (not relevant but letting you know) when I click on the media pulldown menu they are no longer there. (or I don't see them and can't navigate to them.) How do I get these back? The ones that I dragged into the songs are there in the timeline but no longer can I create new songs with them as the media is not there. Do I need to find them and install them again? Were they part of Sonar Platinum and not Bandlab?

Thanks for the help.

well, as the OP I thought I would inform you that I just rolled back to 4.02, and then 4.04 and they both crashed and sent me to the Celemony site to download 4.2 again. Time to toggle. Hey, what's the big deal. When I use a Leslie I hit the switch a few hundred times a gig.

Cheers guys.

those of us who have been using it for years choose it above the competition. I could just never get my head around any other DAW -mainly because my workflow has been steady for many years for which I am thankful. I have enough things to learn including Japanese without having to learn how to use a new DAW. Yes, I learn how to use Omnisphere, Komplete Kontrol, East-West Composer, tweak instruments, new plug-ins for mixing, new tracking techniques, etc, etc. So, I and many others were already sold on it, heard it was going to die and went looking for other options. I was given Studio One and a Studio 192/DP88 to produce music on. Oh, how slow I was and oh how fast I jumped at Cakewalk when it returned.

For new people, they will see that we have the best forum going. I just re-installed Windows and upgraded my hardware DIY which would have not been possible without this forum. I have been a musician all my life. I have never had an IT job and can only scratch the surface of what can be done. But I can keep my computer running now.

The base of new people will grow and grow, and yes, eventually, maybe they will ask for $100 -just like every other major DAW company. Then you/we will have to choose what to do. I do believe giving it away free is/was a smart move. It wasn't free for most of us. I have paid for every upgrade since the beginning of Cakewalk when I first saw it advertised in EM in the 80's I think it was. Let's see what happens. The core team seems to be savvy of how business works these days. I am sure they are more knowledgeable than most of us here. Just riding it out.

ok. For some reason I thought they fixed it and couldn't find the email. Nice dream. And as you said, PITA but at least a simple workaround.

Gosh my memory. I thought we waited out an update and Melodyne fixed this bug. But I just set up a new computer with the latest download and am still having to manually switch from Percussive to Melodic because the program is not evaluating the algorithm correctly. All of you cats who were in the same boat is it working for you now? I just rolled back to 4.0. 

yes, checking back in, all went smoothly.  I am now a wiser man. Thanks again  Scook. And glad things worked out for you as well John Sandlin.

2 minutes ago, scook said:

You should have already saved the installers. My post above explains where CCC will place them on the new machine.

sorry for all the questions. I was told a few months back by some member that I am out of luck and this can't be done. Glad I ran into you. Thanks.

Everything is installing fine now.

what I mean is, one day they may not be available online correct? Can you actually download the installers like the old days and keep them backed up. Or is that what you are saying?

By the way, I just tried installing everything and a large part of it failed. No Sonar Platinum. Need to see what's up.

scook - can you actually not just install but download everything so that you have the installers on your computer for future use?

Just now, scook said:

Cakewalk Command Center still works. The Platinum installers should still be in your old Cakewalk account.

The easiest way to get Platinum back is install the Command Center and re-install everything.

After that install BandLab Assistand and CbB. If CbB is installed now, it may be better to uninstall CbB from the menu in BA

then install Platinum, then re-install CbB.

thanks - I was just going to update this thread as I looked up the Command Center name. Downloading now

Why would I need to re-install Cakewalk? Because it won't recognize the plugs I want maybe ?

installed SSD drive/Windows 10 and have therefore lost Sonar Platinum forever. Too bad. Once Sonar went to the whatever it was called (equivalent to Cakewalk Assistant) I stopped downloading to my computer and ran the program from there. Go ahead, call me what you want. So, is there any way to get some of the old plug-ins back? I use all 3rd party plug-ins, but when doing quick demos for clients I would start a song on Session Drummer -and if kids songs, would actually even use the drums. Needed to load up a bunch of those old kids files, and alas -no Session drummer.        Another plug-in I used was the "big clean creamery" - (I think it was under Craig's guitar/bass in his chain FX that he created) on guitars and keys for sonic enhancement and no longer have that. Any ideas? Or do I have to re-assign everything in these old mixes.

Seems many have this problem. In the pulldown menu under Multiple Displays there is no option for Duplicate these displays.

I fixed it and I don't know how. -maybe it was toggle up instead of down.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/cannot-duplicate-displays-after-windows-10-upgrade/cd6151e2-b608-428a-8c75-b8e74f80b540?auth=1&page=3

I installed Windows 10 Pro on a new SSD drive. Went in and did all the Windows 10 DAW tweaks. Cannot detect a second monitor. Have been online with NVIDIA support -clean uninstall and install of all drivers and installed the latest. Still nothing. Sigh.

The second monitor is HDMI -the first monitor is DVI. I know the second monitor works because hooked it up to a second computer and it is fine.

Edit 2 - so I tried the HDMI out of the computer into the main monitor and it didn't work. It is not the cable -it works fine with another computer. So somehow in my installing and setting up new HDD/Windows 10 and cleaning maybe I did something to my HDMI port on the computer?

Edit 3 -the NVIDIA guy said to check my connection on the MOBO. Getting out of my league here. Can someone send me a URL? I am looking.

Edit 4 - didn't realize I have two HDMI ports on my desktop. Hehe. Old dog/new tricks. It's working it seems.

must admit after joining and leaving many forums that this continues to be the best. I haven't found a DAW or forum I like better. 

7 hours ago, Jim Roseberry said:

FWIW, It's a good thing the conversation is over, when it comes to PCs, you really don't know what you're talking about.

well, that was pretty straight coming from you Jim. But Steev, you must realize. There are professionals  on this forum whose main thrust is to keep their machines maintained and running smoothly because they are busy producers. I am one of them, and Jim makes hi - end (I don’t use the term lightly) DAW’s. You are pushing Scarletts and other gear down our throat and we are living in the MOTU/Studio 192/Apogee/ Quantum/RME world. There is a reason they cost more - the same reason that we all shell out $1000’s for the Synthogy Pianos, Omnisphere and Keyscape Plugs, UAD and Waves Plugs and know which company makes our converters. There is no pride in this. It’s just who we are and what our clients expect from us. I think Jim has shown an amazing amount of patience and restraint up to this point. 

Now Jim, the Asian rep of Presonus gave me a Studio 192/DP88 combo and Studio One to make some music on and post. He said the 192 may have problems with Sonar/Cakelab/Cubase and other DAW other than Studio One latency wise.

I have found that to be the case.

But Quantum is different?

5 hours ago, Steev said:

Well now that we've gotten this far off topic I'd like to point the conversation to Behringer XR 18 Not only is it a digital mixer complete with 4 built in 40 bit floating point FX engines, about 50 high definition FX plugins, 16 Midas preamps, and an 18x18 USB 2 audio interface with ZERO latency monitoring with any DAW on any platform, remote control from any WiFi enabled device running Windows, Mac, Linux, Android or by standard ethernet cable, 5 pin MIDI, ROCK SOLID AND GREAT SOUNDING and only costs $500 (us).

 No special DAWs, computers, cables, or PCIe cards, or Ethernet routers required.

thanks for the input Steev. Do you use this machine you are referring to? Have you recorded with it? What type of converters does it have? Do you run cpu hogging programs like Omnisphere/Tape Emulation plugs and get good latency with it?

Was the OP asking for recommendations for a new interface/mixer for live applications?

On 1/10/2019 at 8:48 AM, Starship Krupa said:

Thank you ien and Noel for the suggestions. Didn't know about Controlled Folder Access, but it was already turned off. Noel, all of your items were already ticked as well.

I would like to note at this point that projects of similar complexity start right up and go in Mixcraft 8.

Noel, is that palette flash any clue for you as a developer? It's restricted to just the Cakewalk window, not the entire screen. It's brief, and it doesn't happen every time, but I've seen it. It's something I was trained to take notice of when I was a pro QA dude.

On 1/3/2019 at 10:38 AM, Starship Krupa said:

I've now done the thing with adding my Microsoft account to all of my Windows 10 systems. I had forgotten about that, thanks.

The way my friend recorded, and this is SOP for us, is as follows:

1. I imported a "guide track" of him playing and singing the song, just acoustic guitar and voice. He recorded this on his iPhone with a fancy Shure mic.

2. I set him up to record drum tracks, recording 4 simultaneous tracks with a "Recorderman/Glyn Johns" pair, snare, and kick. I set it up in Loop record mode, with 10 seconds of leading and trailing silence so that he could stretch a bit between takes.

3. He recorded about a dozen takes of drums in this fashion

4. We chose one take as a "working" take, muting the other ones, and saving them for later comping

5. He then recorded various overdubs of vocals, guitar, and bass

6. Which he made a pretty killer mix of, that I hope to put up here in a couple of days when he's done mastering it on his Pro Tools system back home

Beginning around step 5, I wasn't around much, because I was buried in getting financial records together. He was just having too much fun with CbB to stop. When I looked in on him during the mixing process, though, the project was getting hard to work on because there was about a 2 second lag between when you'd hit the spacebar and when playback would start, and every other time it would hit the end of the playback loop, the audio engine would die.

I defragged the project folder, which helped a tiny bit, but not much.

Which brings us to current circumstances.

What finally did help with the playback stopping was increasing ExtraPlugInBufs to 5 and Playback I/O Buffer Size to 1024. This was after spending hours combing the AUD.INI Alphabetical Manual, which should give some indication as to what level of system tuning I'm okay with.

What is weirdest is that lag between when I hit the spacebar and when playback starts! It keeps getting worse. It's now up to almost 4 whole seconds, I kid you not. Something is definitely messed up here. It seems to be related to the number of tracks in a project; it doesn't happen with all projects.

What I'm thinking at this point is that something is bottlenecking my system. Noel suggested my interface drivers, but Mixcraft is happy with a project of the same complexity.

1. You shouldn’t have to go to 1024 - I use Omnisphere/Waves Plugs on probably 30 channels/ Ivory/East West Composer/Komplete Kontrol and 10 tracks of drums/ 8tracks backing and lead vocals, ad nauseum and still don’t have to do that. 

2. I have had projects that just don’t seem to work that are much less extensive. Sometimes I open in Cakewalk Safe Mode  to find out the culprit - other times I copy the performances and start on a clean project. I think sometimes it might be because I use various controllers for different instruments and the VST get tired of being jerked around. Somewhere along the line with all thats going on something screwsup - most likely self inflicted. I have many clients and projects in the works simultaneously and though sometimes I am bent on “findind out what the problem is” sometimes for speeds sake I just paste and copy and re-load fresh instances of my VST’s.

3. That being said, my Presonus Studio 192 seems to be problemstic with Cakelab. It was given to me by the Asian Presonus Rep for me to work with Studio One back when Sonar was talking about saying goodbye to us folks. He warned me at the time that the latency is wonderful with Studio Live, but there had been tests and reports of problems with other DAW. I  have switched back and forth from it and my MOTU more than once. Now sticking with the MOTU.

4. Did you try copying all the performances into another instance of Cakelab and your other DAW and find it to be smooth - or not?

the palette flash - interesting. I didn’t know how to describe that. I have that as well. And of course it concerns me. I have tried every tweak mentioned here so though I feel so bad for you (you make it even harder because you are so patient) I am thankful for this thread. 

 I’m on Windows 8.1 and get the flashes.

My wife gets flashes too but thats another story.

slightly off topic. Please bear with my ignorance. I live in Japan and in a Japanese language environment. Where is the best place to get a windows 10 upgrade? It's not free anymore I presume? I am

still running Windows 8.1 on my main DAW - I have Windows 10 on my laptop.