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4 hours ago, HOOK said:

A crap mix can sound pretty darn good on my iPhone earbuds or my BeyerDynamic cans.  That same mix can sound horrible on real speakers, in the real world.  So...

I mix with monitors until a mix sounds great on other speakers, in the real world.  Any mix that passes that test also sounds great on decent headphones.

That's where I land.

Yes i test on monitors with & without sub and average headphones but trained my ears to mix on the my cans now

23 hours ago, paulo said:

I'm still unsure what time of day the show is.  Needs more clarification.😀

 

Yep, finish it. Like it is, don't go dancey.

Will do, i will stay away from Dance and give it the James Bond smokey bar vibe 

15 hours ago, craigb said:

Wow, that was awful!!!! 😮

(Awful short!  It needs to be much longer.  😜)

Tones, singing and separation sounded awesome on my speakers. 😊👍

Cheers craig, had an melody idea and started messing with drums for timing, then i picked up guitar and then my bass started looking at me. I think it could go dancy or maybe keep it chilled, when you not thinking it just happens  

You are over complicating things, think more simple. 

1) before you start, you need to realise you need approx. 6db of headroom for a pre master (master bus). 

whereby

2) start on the main instrument, me personally and most always start mixing from drum room, i use a drum room patch system to send to a Drum room bus. (more control for DB, EQ and Para Comp)  So my drum bus hits -12 on my master bus (Master bus is my subtle mix bus for glue). Then i mix in bass bus, to instrument bus, to vocal bus,  backing vocal bus, FX bus, verb and delay bus etc I sent my tracks top to bottom (Project mis template) depending on style of music i maybe take drums to -9 given EDM and POP or alternative you have a fight between vocals and everything else, less sidechaining, gating and duckling less problems.   

thereby

3)  Obviously every time you add a bus to master (audio) you increase your master bus db and decrease your headroom. 

In the digital world gain staging is not a big deal, if you recorded something and its distorted, gain staging will not save you but a clean recording will.  Keeping your headroom is the big deal.

Reality why you should only send buses to the master and never send a track to the master. Automate your tracks, so you know what your track peaks are sending to bus.  Send them to bus and send bus to master, do this one by one so you are aware what the bus peaks. 

Example Drum room bus like a said say peaks at -12 db and your bass bus might peak about the same depending on style but two buses at -12db will push your master bus up depending if you sidechaining bass and drums or using limiters etc which is why you would mix maybe top to bottom some sort of order so you can just solo or mute buses to tweak down the line with your mix and headroom.

Most off us develop our own style, methods and workflow. Not many use patches, i find them useful, some people send a track to master i never do. 

You have loads of tracks and that all about organising your work flow with buses and maybe patch's that you can automate 

You should start on 8 track to become familiar with everything 

Had a little mess tonight, i should do something with it.... 

Messing with OBS linked to Cakewalk on this track 

https://www.facebook.com/whoisp/videos/652777000311596

14 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

I only listed 3 originally, but the major one I forgot about is Melda's Auto Dynamic EQ. I use it a lot as a de-esser.

I've tried a few stand alone de-esser's and all of them seemed to just chop the entire high end off the vocals. With their dynamic EQ you can easily find your trouble spots and have it effect only that range of frequencies. 

Their Auto-Align is incredible too, but I can never seem to find it on sale for a price I'm willing to pay.

I can't believe I forgot that, but it has been years since I turned on my DAW. 

Yes i do like a good de-esser  ive  heard again Fabfilter  Pro-DS and why something like RX 10 is a nice bag of tricks for de-esser and fret noise etc 

Sometimes i use the free versions of TDR Nova and T-De-Esser. I try to set my mics up so i don't get to much ess and there's a fine line with having lots of air and the essssss 

15 hours ago, Pragi said:

Well, the Scheps Omni channel is also a good channel strip    more cpu hungry .

It's the  question  which  sound you prefer.

 

 

 

 

i think my phone when crazy with auto correct, this is why i don't like automatic plugins lol 

5 hours ago, jack c. said:

right on.jack c

Cheers jack its getting there 

4 hours ago, Pragi said:

It's not easy to express this in words. For me, firstly, it's my go to channel strip, which gives me immediate more control and melting in the mids and highs in just one plugin, especially when recording guitars, which I only have with a few other plugins, e.g. UAD-

and that it is resource-saving  and easy to use .

Ive always thought about getting Scheps Omni channel strip for that reasons. Basically 5 modules for preamp color, EQ, de-essing, compression, gating and im could be black friday buy as i think waves are doping a one off purchase for it 

35 minutes ago, Pragi said:

My favs:

PA Amek 200 eq - incredible sounding mastering eq

Waves SSL 4000 - an oldie but goldie for nearly every track

Melodyne 5 Standard, imo the best pitch correction tool  aso

D16 Sigmund, imo the best single delay and multi fx plugin, sometimes to much....

 

 

PC76 U-Type Channel Compressor is also solid state like the SSL 4000, what you think the different is just the FET colouring with more options 

Demo for a female singer, this is the before she does the vocals (hopefully a big vocal) This is the creative idea with my vocals to gives some ideas to the vocals. The vocals will be stripped and she will get it clean without hearing the vocals first, see what she does and then i will give her my vocals to see if it inspires something different for her.

Builds up more in second half 

2 hours ago, pwal said:

this has gone ot i think

eq -- dmg equality

pffft

I did try EQuality 

1 hour ago, Pathfinder said:

Why say they haven't told us anything about the new software? That's crazy. IT IS SONAR as in Cakewalk? Do you really think they completely rewrote the whole thing from the bottom up? It is pretty much the paid Version of CWbBL, but not free, with enhancements. Jeeezzz-pretty simple really!

Also, the FREE Version is GREAT and is STILL Free

The Cakewalk Next "new" DAW been under development for five years, which did create a bit of confusion with current CbB.  

Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) aka that will go back to Cakewalk Sonar in reality is  basically continued development of the existing platform CbB with enhancements yet to be disclosed in full that created some confusion. Talk about the interface and bundle plugins  

Permanent activation will be available once the two "new" DAWs are released and CbB depreciated with crossover period i assume. 

Reality, people will now have to pay for something that is free, so now Cakewalk Sonar is competing with with a stable Studio One and others on price etc , so i am guessing they are getting it solid before launch, given soon as you force subscription or yearly payments people tend to shop about for best deals etc 

On 10/31/2023 at 1:33 PM, jfrommichigan said:

Even I AM about 10 minutes from jumping ship. And I really don't want to.

Same here, i used it back in the day when it first came out in dos to win95, we used it a university to illustrate midi signals and triggering for code. I left uni and Life got in the way of carrying on with cakewalk . Down the line i noticed Gibson made an absolute dog turd of it when they could have been king if they have foresight. I just hope they don't screw it up again.... 

1 hour ago, craigb said:

You need to type slowly and clearly for Sheens.  Adding pictures with breasts helps too.

😆

To be fair, i never check my typing, even quantum physics probably easier to understand.  

11 hours ago, Sheens said:

here's my next 4 (why can we only enter 4 per post ?).

AlexHiltonA1, Freeclip, Transient+,ThrillseekerLA 

I was more of saying the best 4 you use, yes you could have your best 10 or 20 but if you only had to use 4 given you can create some of your own plugins with stock. The AlesHiltonA1 you mention, could use EQ and pan with two mono tracks 100% left and right with sending bass track down the middle to expand or limit your width, you can use EQ and Verb to them manipulate the mid side and tops to give the same illusion of width etc. We all have our own preference of mixing, what plugins we use and i think its important to understanding our mix and what we do with plugins that we can also do with stock to the same effect. 

 Cakewalk Boost 11 is a peak limiter plug-in that can increase the loudness of your audio tracks without clipping or distorting them which you can control transience, good to control drum ceiling  also good on mix bus. The ThrillseekerLA mkII is a nice little compressor you mention they do a good sat to, nice freeware.

46 minutes ago, paulo said:

Not really as good at singing or production as we'd like to be probably pretty much describes most  of the people here. 😀

Its subjective with what you get paid and if you get cuaght like Morvan and Pilatus that did not sing any of the vocals on their music, so Grammy award was revoked like Milli Vanilli lol

18 hours ago, craigb said:

Most have heard the story.  The short version is this:  While I was off working on my PhD back in 2008-9 when a lot of illegal financial stuff happened (the so-called "credit crunch") and I lost two houses, a vehicle and about a million dollars.  This included my music studio which I had over $134k into!  Some things were given to friends and the guitar in my avatar had been paid for, but not finished yet, so I was able to save a few things.  I actually had my DAW (Sonar Producer 4) on an old server that I was able to use for a few years until it finally died.  Since then, when I do play (a lot more rarely than before), it's just me and an amp.  I still have some things I was able to hide and may get back into it, but just surviving comes first!  There have been several new business attempts and side-jobs since everything disappeared, but not the big winner yet.

Sorry to hear,  I got royal screwed in a divorce with business etc

5 hours ago, Xoo said:

- Overloud TH-U - it may not be the best amp sim, but it's good enough and works well for me

- Valhalla Shimmer - I just love shimmer reverbs and this sounds gorgeous to me

- <whoever owns it this week> BFD 3 - I always need a drum module, and I know how this works.  I've never had the issues a lot of people seem to have done with BFD * software (an occasional oddity, yes, but so does everything IMHO!)

- I need a softsynth that's quite versatile so I think I'd go for Vital (also has a lot of presets to start from)

Vital is good because its free haha, but its another hungry on the system, but the synths normally are, i know synthmaster its easy for my to stay with it as i mainly use it for FX but they all have the same functions really 

17 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

Ozone 9 Advanced (which includes a lot of plugins actually)

Melodyne ... Studio or Editor? I got an upgrade deal one time to upgrade to their top VST for almost nothing, so whatever that is.

Guitar Rig 4 (I don't have a need to upgrade).

And well, that's pretty much it other than the stock stuff that comes with Studio One. I only use the stock samples and synths that come with CbB and S1P. And to this day Session Drummer 3 is still my goto drums. That's all I use.

O9A changed my life. Seriously. I did my last 4 mixes and masters using it and they turned out to be the best mixes and masters I've even done, and in the shortest amount of time. It sure is a resource hog though. OMG.

I only got the Ozone 9 elements, at the time i could not justify the extra costs and clearly see the advantages, the same with Melodyne, i upgraded to 5 but not Editor, i don't really need the extra function which would be £250 on black Friday after checking. 

I use my own Boss hardware Multi FX for Guitar and same with vocals. I may dabble with the TH3 as i also record a dry second input.    

YEs, you are 100% Ozone is a hungry beast, i use it on my mix bus, vocals and mastering only, i may stick it on something if needed. 

Depending on what cakewalk does with CbB and how long it runs and how good the new one will be, i may have to change to Studio One, ive never used any other DAW less logic at uni years ago. I will after see what the new one like after its been stable for 6 months or something. 

17 hours ago, paulo said:

I guess the four that I use in some way almost every time would be Omnisphere, Trilian, Melodyne, Ozone. 

 

Interesting that quite a few use Melodyne and Ozone., i must be in good company lol

18 hours ago, craigb said:

I still have a lot of plug-ins, it's the DAW I don't have anymore! 😕

What is going on there, no CbB running?

19 hours ago, Bapu said:

1. AutoAlign2

2. AIXDSP full suite (for drums specifically)

3. AYAIC Ceilings of Sound and Mix Monolith

4. Soothe 2

After that its all sh!te really 🙂 

Well your are another that mentioned Soothe, what does it offer you ?

Knowing what you know now, what 4 plugins (Not including stock) that you can't do without, your best 4 or what you use and why?

I know i am personally missing some great plugins but we all haev a work flow and preference.  I hear so much about things like Fabfilter Pro-Q and Soothe but my thinking int he beginning as a ex ITV sound and Video engineer, was EQ is EQ and you can get by with stock to get near the same results. Also i latter mention,  one of  my plugin in choices is Ozone due to its versatility.   Serum gets mentioned a lot and Soundtoys Decapitator. Again, stock does well with SoftTube and Compressors, emulators you can create your own Decapitator and Serum at the time Serum was out of my budget as id already over spent... 

In my 4 i have i Melodyne for its multiuse purpose use of audio correction and midi capabilities.  I also could not do without Addictive Drums, its so versatile for what i use it for. I only choose  Synthmaster on cost and ease of use at the time of purchase, given you can get the same sounds out of most Synths. Lasty i use Ozone 9 which i don't just use for mastering but for extra Q on buses and vocal chain. 

So that's my simple  4

Melodyne, Addictive Drums, Synthmaster and Ozone 9

My wish list is maybe Fabfilter Pro-Q and something like RX 10 

Any advice guys?