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Well played, some nice changes and good recorded very nice piano sound! Sounds great through my monitors😀

Thanks for bringing this up, I was already wondering about it! Since Cakewalk Sonar is the updated CbB I guess the whole forum could stay "as is" for this product. There are also plenty old paid Sonar users active on the CbB forum. Many issues are relevant for all versions. There was no need for a separate section to divide the two. Most users are and/or will be aware that new functions will only be available in the coming paid version, so it shouldn't be a big problem. So I would just rename the Cakewalk by BandLab section to Cakewalk Sonar like one of your suggestions. Next to that there will be an entirely new product build from the ground up, so that definitely needs it's own very clearly separated section.

I find the comparison a bit premature knowing that the last update (with probably mainly bugfixes) still has to arrive and that there's a new big update with new features coming up (Cakewalk Sonar, the paid update of CbB). Let's first see what that brings... Apart from that I think that several issues Mike talked about could easily be done fast in another way, with templates in CbB like @Lord Tim clearly mentions (in the end maybe even faster than in Studio One if you use particular ones regularly) for example. Combining the best of these two methods would even be nicer, making setting up the templates faster, of course. Who knows what the new Cakewalk Sonar will bring... From what I've understood the new Sonar is nothing more than CbB with new bugfixes, improvements and new features added, just like it always has been. So: Sonar = Cakewalk by Bandlab =Cakewalk Sonar It's just that now you'll have to pay again (like before). Several posts and reviews make it look like they are different pieces of software, which IMHO they are definitely not. If you make a long comparison list of features between DAWs I'm sure you'll find many things better in other DAWs, just like CbB will be better on many other things. A few years ago Noel said that the are just a small team. They had a long list of things they wanted to do, but limited resources seemed to delay things or make bigger changes impossible. Now that Sonar is going to be paid again they probably can expand the team and implement more improvements and new features in a shorter timeline. And maybe acquire and implement new external technology and VSTs. In the paid days Sonar was regularly considered the best or one of the best DAWs in reviews. Cakewalk/Sonar has shown often to be at the forefront of new smart improvements, especially in the days when you still needed to paid for it, but even after that despite limited resources. The same key developers are still with us, so I'm sure they will come up with pleasant surprises in the near future and don't doubt that they will make the DAW come up as a serious contender next to Cubase, S1 Protools etc. If they price it smart, the future could be bright...

Soldier of Orange - Soundtrack The sound quality is a bit dated, but when watching the movie it left a huge impression on me

I also noted that some selected plugins unselect when selecting more than 2. I would like to add this suggestion: a separate box that shows only the newly added plugins. Names of plugins are not always exactly what you expect them to be and it can take a while before the new plugin is identified in the long list of already available plugins and different plugin categories (VST, VST3 etc.). Such a separate box would also make it much easier when you just have installed a plugin bundle. Sometimes a plugin shows as an instrument where I had expected it to be an effect, that also takes time to realise. A separate box with only the new installed plugins would overcome this issue. If this is not feasible, maybe alternatively it could be possible to indicate the newly added plugins in bold. Not as useful, but still better than nothing...

I've been following derB8auer for a while, he has shown that Ryzen 7000 series can be cooled much better than currently is possible (between 18-21 Celcius): Ryzen 7000 Delidding - Unreal Temperature improvement with Direct-Die Cooling. Because of his tests he developed his own watercooling adapter which goes on sale soon: Ryzen 7000 Direct-Die Water Block Another thing is undervolting, I don't have a 7000 series yet, but want to try this when I've bought one because of the following (translation from Tweakers, the largest Benelux tech site) Make your CPU more economical and faster - Ryzen 9 7950X and Core i9 13900K tamed: "Combining power limits and undervolts The best is yet to come, because you can also combine both techniques to make the processor more economical. For this I have always set the settings used on the previous two pages, an undervolt of -25 and 0.03V respectively and power limits of 80 to 253W, at the same time. In the graphs you will also find the results of the test on standard settings, only the undervolt and only the power limits, so be prepared for a lot of bars. It is immediately noticeable that with the Intel processor almost the highest performance results from this combination. We record 40,739 points with a combination of a 253W power limit and the undervolt. That is faster than stock and practically as fast as stock with undervolt. At AMD, the latter configuration narrowly wins, although 190W with undervolt is only 1.6 percent slower. Even at lower power limits, we see the processors with undervolt perform significantly better. For example, at 80W, the 7950X and the 13900K both get 6 percent faster with undervolt. The reason behind this is basically the same as why the 7950X on the previous page got faster from undervolting. You can see that most clearly here in the voltage and clock speed graphs. The undervolt leads to a lower VCore voltage, which basically reduces power consumption. This frees up space within the set power limit. It is used by the boost algorithm to increase the clock speed and that naturally makes the cpu faster." "Conclusion: The test results have proven that your processor does not have to slow down at all due to the introduction of a power limit and an undervolt. To highlight the highlights; the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X can still deliver 91 percent of its original performance at 54 percent of its original power consumption. And with only a quarter (!) of its original power, the Intel Core i9 13900K still scores almost 70 percent of its stock result. The fact that these processors are tuned so inefficiently by default has everything to do with how competitive AMD and Intel are at the moment. For much of the last decade, Intel in the top segment had nothing to fear from AMD and therefore no reason to ramp up its products to the maximum. AMD's competition has led to this in recent years and you can hardly argue other than that AMD has chosen the same path with its Ryzen 7000 processors. Everything to have the longest bars in the benchmark charts." The article explains well how to undervolt the processors (and there's also a very helpful forum). Here's some other info about it: From 94 To 55 Degrees Celsius. Make your Ryzen 9 7950X the BEST! So, apparently there is a lot of tweaking headroom to improve the most recent top processors and make them run less power-hungry and quieter. From what I've seen, I guess it should be possible to undervolt not to excessively and keep a stable running system. Of course, I have no clue how it will be affecting the (internal) latency of the processor. Maybe that would suffer from it?

I've built Mike's desk (Creative Sauce) Ultimate DIY Home Studio Desk I'm extremely happy with it. Cost me much less than a prefab and I could tailor it to my own preferences. It has everything I could possibly need. In the comments section of the YouTube video you can also find various useful tips. Mike has made an extensive search on all kinds of desk before he decided on his final design, which he made in 3ds Max . You can download the full plan (which is extremely accurate!) from his channel: Fdiy-home-studio-desk. Strongly recommend it. I had never built anything like this before, bought some electric tools and just started the adventure with my son. Even adapted it a bit to my personal needs. It appeared much easier than you would think. Super experience and DIY is much easier than it seems... (and more rewarding😉)

@msmcleod thanks for the detailed feedback! I'm aware of this. Apart from writing things like complicated chord algorithms, I thought it might be possible is to use AI tools, not just ChatGPT but maybe better tools like Copilot or Sonic Pi to write and check code, speeding up the development for the more basic parts of CbB. What is Github Copilot? Here's an article written by an professional AI programmer that used Sonic Pi to program quite complex structures to produce algorithmic music and many other things instead of Sonic Pi's initial purpose which is live coding: Sonic Pi - programming artificial intelligence based daw

@Byron Dickens please try to understand what other users would like to see to improve CbB functionality. It seems like you do support CbB becoming a better DAW with improvements and new enhancements as long as it is done by old fashioned programming, but certainly not if the improvement or creation of a new feature is based on AI... The feature requests here are not a matter of lack of scales or work. It is about workflow, performance and stability improvement. We cannot stop the high speed AI train, nor can we stop bad implementation of AI in society. What we cán do is use AI for the better in our personal environment, one example being implementation in a DAW to help us reduce wasting time on repetitive and just time wasting procedures that we really don't need to compose or record a piece of music. I personally want to spend more time on composing and arranging instruments, which are for me the most important creative part. I don't need AI to do that for me. I would like AI to enable me doing the non-creative parts of producing a song faster (and better). Others might want/need it for exactly the things I don't need it for and I see no reason why they could not have something like that implemented in a DAW. Other DAWs are also starting to use AI, so why would you like to see CbB stay behind? Nevertheless, our feature requests are all about enhancing the user’s audio engineering skills and certainly not about replacing them... @msmcleod, interesting video, he explains it very well! I did notice they are from three years ago, so by now are antique😉(just kidding...) Did ChatGPT not already do that collection of enough quality data for you? I thought you could make it to good use because it has already all that training you need for at least some useful implementations? ChatGPT is being used to quickly write a procedure or app while saving programmers a significant amount of time. They still need to check and finetune it, but the various examples I seen over the last few months are very encouraging and -of crucial importance if you want good results- depending on how you adjust your questions, the program quickly provides increasingly better answers). So, I could imagine that you might benefit from it with faster programming. Version 4 of ChatGPT is only just out and a vast improvement over the former version, acing tests where the former still miserably failed.

Technology can be good or bad depending on the way you implement it. Some time ago I also started a feature request about AI implementation in CbB and it immediately led to mainly negative feedback without anyone even trying to understand if it maybe could have useful purpose. It seems like many are just afraid it will make them obsolete. And from a certain perspective they have a good point. Probably in the near future we will have less need for audio engineers, composers etc. Do I like that? NO, already the idea that ChatGPT or something alike can, based on learning from a few of my own songs, create another new and probably better song in my personal style makes me just feel sad... The rapid pace at which AI is improving and starts outperforming humans in many ways is just frightening! However, I love the implementation of AI that saves me time and gives me better results than I would have achieved without it... AI is here to stay and you can chose to either embrace it in such a way that you can make it work for you and enjoy the many benefits it can provide, or simply ignore it and eventually stay behind the rest of the world that will continue to evolve. Other DAWs implement it, VST companies implement it, why not implement it in CbB in way that can benefit us all and let CbB stay in the Premier League of the DAWs. And like @Starship Krupa said, live music will always be appreciated. The fun of playing together, interacting with public, that seems unlikely to change anytime soon!

OK, here it is... The intro gave me goose bumps! The chords are quite standard, but the way you recorded it it just sounds good ☺️ I love the overall warm, clear and detailed sound, balance, vocals and little details that change in the background. One thing, after a while I found it getting a bit boring, because it stays all the time on the same few chords (a bit like Pharrell Williams - Happy: I love the song, but really miss some changes in the song to make it more interesting). Maybe I'm old fashioned but I mostly like songs where there are several changes like intro, verse bridge, chorus, break, solo, going outside and modulation each with other chord(s)(changes) (and preferably somewhere a totally unexpected chord change to draw the attention) Today's trend seems like there's often more emphasis on the little details that change over the same few chords and I think there you've hit the bull's-eye! BTW is someone going to be surprised the 14th? 😉

Thanks for posting this, I didn't know this keyboard. Checked all the videos about it: without exaggerating revolutionary! Love it, want it, need it🤩 For many different expressions I use a TEControl usb midi breath & bite controller 2 which covers most of my needs, however, this seems much more intuitive and straightforward for a keyboard player. Is quite expensive at the moment, unfortunately. Would be nice if they also have a VST so you can have all these sounds in your DAW instead of needing to record it through audio inputs. Also, I prefer full size keyboards (88 or 76 keys). They don't seem to have more than four octaves yet. Let's hope CbB will be fully compatible with all new standards soon!

First problem seems like a matter of choosing the right input and output on the tracks, these are well explained in the tutorials here above. Regarding the new error message: Do you have an external audio device (preferred!) or are you using an onboard sound device that came with the motherboard? Check out these links: "no audio devices for the current driver model" Unable to Select Audio Device / Missing Device Changing Driver Modes

Next to the issues mentioned, I also have this problem with some plugins after an update which has a higher version number e.g. Pro-Q to Pro-Q 2. Once I see the error message I know or remember that I upgraded the plugin, so it is easy to solve the problem, but it takes some extra steps. I would like to get together with a vastly improved error message (with all the suggestions above mentioned) the option to replace the plugin so I can insert it immediately in the project. I fully agree. The thing I use so far is Project Scope, but it doesn't show which tracks and busses contain which plugins, it doesn't show stereo or mono, steady state, etc. Project Scope could maybe serve as a reference to create something that provides much more extensive and completer project information.

Hi, I don't have it, but you made me curious so I checked the link out. Seems like a real timesaver if you want to write orchestral pieces (especially to experiment and sketch, from what I understood you still need to do quite some polishing afterwards). I did notice that while they don't have a CbB template, they do have instructions for setting it up in CbB. Next to that there are several template on their website, maybe you can use a Cubase or S1 template as start point to see how it has been set up. They also provide a universal template which might be useful. As for a tutorial , there's a lot on their website and they have several videos (I guess you've already checked that out). When searching for Divisimate on YouTube I found also some user videos like these ones that I thought could be useful: Realtime Orchestration from Chord Input? Tutorial 1/3 - Working with Divisimate Divisimate 1.3 Universal Orchestral Core Furthermore, some info here from users and Sound on Sound: vi-control community/threads/divisimate Nextmidi Divisimate Hope this helps a bit. Why don't you write them an email with some specific questions? They might be willing to help with a template etc. Please do post your experience and how you use it, I consider buying it in the near future if it works as well as advertised!

Sounds great, tried to give feedback, but couldn't come up with anything😉 Nice to start the new year with! Happy musical 2023🍾

RipX comes out best in most reviews, but depending on the kind of stems you want to separate another program might be as good or better. Regarding price there are cheaper and free options as well. Here are some other options: xtrax stems spectralayers serato acoustica spleeter (free) moises (mobile app) demucs (free) LALAL.AI (online separation) Some reviews: stem_separation_comparison_dec_2022 (VirtualDJ (Stems 2.0), Serato DJ Pro 3.0, djay Pro AI 4.1, Gaudio Studio BETA, Lalal.ai, RipX DeepRemix 6.0.3, Demucs 4, iZotope RX 10) best-stem-separation-tools (iZotope – RX9, Acon Digital – Acoustica 7.3, Hit’N’Mix – RipX DeepRemix/DeepAudio, Audionamix – XTRAX STEMS, Omnisale – Lalal.ai, Atomix Productions – VirtualDJ) A comparison between three of the lesser known ones: Spleeter vs Moises vs Demucs izotope-release-rx-10-in-depth-first-review

Thank you very much! I always highly appreciate your knowledge, info and help. You are one of the reasons this forum is so valuable!

Thanks, it's almost clear to me🤩: Well, my RME AIO reports 2,7 ms effective latency at 96kHz, 256 samples in the CbB mixing latency tab. I always thought RME is quite reliable and accurate. However, below that ASIO reported latencies: Input: 3,1 ms (296 samples) Output: 3,7 (353 samples) Total Roundtrip: 6,8 ms (649 samples) The number that is important for playing virtual instruments and recording vocals without noticeable delay is 3,1 (which is related more ore less equal to/the same as "effective latency"?) ? I use an external reverb, so I don't need CbB to add that to a vocal when recording. I do that because I thought that way I could avoid the round trip latency, which is more than double and probably getting noticeable at 6,8 ms.

@Jim Roseberry Is it still worth while slightly overclocking RAM with the latest Ryzen series? I read an article a few years back that you could gain up to 25% performance without risking instability on Ryzen systems and even our Microsoft forum member Pete Brown advices to think about overclocking memory: Tip: Memory performance can make a real difference, especially if you work with large sample libraries. Slightly overclocking your memory is an often overlooked source of performance. And one question that kept sticking to me: "effective latency" vs "total round trip latency cakewalk" - which matters when checking latency and why (the explanations I found so far are not clear to me)

Just noticed your post, hope the following is still useful: There's a plugin Chameleon 2 from Accentize that uses machine learning to match reverbs and lets you apply them to your own material. Haven't tried it myself, but it looks promising: How To Match The Reverb Of Location Recordings With Accentize Chameleon 2 I don't have much experience with mixing but the following might help you if you want to have a big reverb: Less is more with reverb, but here you clearly want to have it stand out as an effect, so avoiding a muddy sound gets more serious: Use low pass EQ to cut the lower frequencies Preferably use one reverb bus to create cohesion between the vocals and instruments Use a pre-delay (setting based on the song tempo, see BPM tempo and delay to time and frequency calculator) Don't use long reverb tails Sidechain the reverb to the vocal with a compressor that compresses the reverb during the vocal but not in between the singing You can try the Abbey Roads reverb trick as explained by Dave Pensado: Abbey Road Reverb Technique - Into The Lair This basically comes down to: cutting off the highs and the lows with 12dB/oct before the signal hits the reverb HPF at 500-600Hz and LPF at around 9-10kHz Cut about 3 dB somewhere in the area around 1 to 2kHz depending on the vocal The you could add some saturation to beef up the reverb and make it stand out more

I know that I'm probably asking too much for this feature that anyway can be done relatively simple by hand. However, AI goes way beyond sophisticated: One of the biggest problems in biology has finally been solved thanks to AI This was unthinkable for humans with normal software and computers and it is just one example of the AI possibilities. True for most software, both AI and non-AI. There's a lot of room for improvement. Well that's ongoing. Things get better over time. CbB is also much more stable, capable and user friendly than a few years back thanks to ongoing improvements. I fully agree. That's exactly why I think a good AI implementation can achieve much more than the current rhythm, quantize and humanize functions. That is no reason why it will not be possible to achieve this with the latest developments. It is a matter of feeding the right diverse feature rich source material the right way into a dedicated deep learning system. Just by looking at the link above you can see that the many things are within reach these days. Many downsides regarding developing and implementing AI have been identified over the last few years and appropriately addressed in the mean time. New technology needs some time to mature and we are just approaching the era were AI enables previously unthinkable results. Looking back over the first developments the last 10 years is not the right direction...Electric cars also needed a decade to mature and now the future is electric with decent range, quite cars etc. Yes, the cars and their ecosystem can still be improved but the advantages can't be ignored today. Regarding software: AI, when well developed can be much more capable than many think and it already makes the impossible possible in some cases. I see in my field lives saved thanks to these new AI developments that otherwise would have been lost. In several fields AI software is becoming better than the professionals. So there's no reason why for DAWs the required user friendliness, software stability and outperforming features would be out of reach. That's an example of not yet mature technology and/or implementation where critical steps still need to be ironed out. The fact that pilots lack routine is not caused by the AI, it is caused by not providing a pilot with the right and sufficient training... Pfff, finally...🤨😆 Well, I've got good hope that maybe not my feature request but many other implementations will be at your service before you meet the 27 club and all those other lost great musicians🤩

Thanks! Now in CbB please, so I don't have to drag😉 (Haven't tested it yet, so don't know if it's good enough). I've seen some other plugins try to achieve similar things well. Sad thing is that many people don't understand the technology, they look at some not yet well implemented AI examples and decide it will bring nothing. They also seem to think that I will not save time and that you only depend on the decision the AI model makes, while a good implementation let's you craft the result in a way that it is the same or better than you would have achieved with your standard tools, while doing everything faster. AI is unstoppable and unescapable, they use it in most high tech sectors already to quickly find new drugs, new sophisticated batteries and so on. There are exciting recent scientific breakthroughs that would never have been possible without AI. The only question is, do you want to stick with your old school methods and being overtaken by the rest of the world (other DAWs are already experimenting with AI implementations at different levels), or do you want to try to see if you can have things improved maybe in a better way than the competition does (which means that you need to start experimenting).

You might want to check processor scheduling in CbB settings. Here's a topic where you can find several tips if you scroll through it: how to assign cakewalk to use all the cpu cores Use to find what's slowing down your pc: latencymon Freeze tracks might also help you save some resources In case you haven't tuned your pc yet here are some links: Unofficial Windows 10 Audio Workstation build and tweak guide PC Optimization Guide for Windows 10 How to set up and optimize a Digital Audio Workstation Make sure you have the latest runtimes: all in one runtimes You can stop several processes to speed up the PC Here are some sites that explain which ones how they effect your PC: 12 windows 10 services that are safe to disable black vipers windows 10 service configurations windows 10 unnecessary services you can disable safely Check carefully what they do, some you might need depending on what you do with your PC. Here are a few some (see Black Viper for many more): Antivirus (if you disable internet connection) ctfmon.exe OneDrive.exe LockApp.exe NewsAndInterests.exe GrooveMusic.exe Windows Mobile Hotspot Service Print Spooler Certificate Propagation Service Universal Telemetry Client (UTC) Windows Biometric Service Broadcast DVR Server Windows 10 OneSyncSvc Windows Update Service Windows 10 Security Center Windows Search Fax Service Downloaded Maps Manager Bluetooth (if you mainly use cabled mouse and keyboard - additional advantage: they might reduce noise - less inference) WIFI Remote Desktop Remote Registry Touch Keyboard and Handwriting Panel Service Windows Insider Service Windows Error Reporting I use a simple tool to quickly stop undesired processes when I only want to use my DAW on my PC (that I usually use for many other tasks): ProcessKO I never measured the effect on the PC but this also let's you safely stop several processes in Windows (might need to run it again after a new Windows update): shutup10 Make sure your HD's/SSDs have enough spare room

No, not at al..............You simply ignore the main fact which I tried to explain in several ways which is that they save time, they help you get to your goal faster. I had hoped for a constructive discussion here with likeminded musicians that appreciate the latest innovation trends and like to see some of it implemented in their DAW. Why waste time on a blog to keep repeating you don't like/want something which anyway will not get in the way of your workflow at all. If you don't appreciate it, why not just explain once why you are not interested and leave it at that. Coming back to it doesn't help anyone. At least @Kevin Perry asked some constructive questions.