Mark Morgon-Shaw

23 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

I don't see why anyone would think they need anything beyond what Cakewalk offers (assuming you had Platinum with pluings and instruments included).  

Because there are some gaping holes and workflow issues which are important for producers that need to be productive and have looming deadlines, one guy I know made 500 music cues in 2017 ....not in Sonar !

Great idea..Kontakt is widely used by media composers , Cubase seems to handle the keyswitches much more intuitively 

12 hours ago, Daryl L. Samuel said:

I've felt this way for years; left out - as a producer that has a heavy Rap/Hip-Hop/sampling influence, not having the basics to get a task done or get a decent workflow going without jumping across to another DAW or using ReWire could mess-up your creativity and your confidence in your DAW (SONAR/Cakewalk).

Thanks Daryl , I don't think some folks quite realise hopw much easier it is in something like Abelton live to just drag a sample from the Browser and be able to play it mapped out across the keyboard virtually instantly.  Such a massive workflow improvement even over a good 3rd part plugin 

Lets call it Track Nudge

Thunderbird for me ...Enjoy a glass whilst reading my emails

26 minutes ago, abacab said:

Just some additional observations,  this "Integrated Sampler" feature request has been on the Cakewalk FR list for many years without any hint of getting implemented.

Which probably explains  why Cakewalk is not as popular as it once was ! 

28 minutes ago, abacab said:

The dev's focus for a long time has been in  looking for the easiest featres to implement, which have the broadest user appeal. Such as those that would benefit the majority of users.

Times have changed. If you are going for broad appeal Hip Hop is now the dominant genre in US music.  If you are saying it wouldn't benefit the majority it's because that majority have either left or never considered Sonar and now use other DAWs that have better workflows for modern music production ( like Studio One ) . 

It's as though Cakewalk has become the default DAw for guitar playing Dad's.  I'm pretty sure that's not how Bandlab want it to be perceived with their young App savvy user base

49 minutes ago, abacab said:

I just don't think that Cakewalk is ready to move in that direction just yet, and as a free product now it's probably limited in the development cycle budget and what to spend it on. Fixing existing bugs is probably a higher priority for the foreseeable future. Although it would be nice to see some cool new features in Cakewalk that would broaden the appeal and make it competitive in all areas.   Fixing what it already has is probably job #1, before adding anything else.

.Well I hope Meng & Co  are ready to move in a more progressive direction, kids making beats on their phones today are the DAW users of tomorrow 

14 hours ago, backwoods said:

I'd rather Bandlab concentrated on the DAW 

Then I am guessing you are not big on producing EDM / Hip Hop or R&B

Intergrated tools should offer a better workflow for busy producers 

14 hours ago, abacab said:

I think that BandLab is focusing development for now on getting the Cakewalk core application as stable as possible.

And I am saying it should be part of that core application

 Bandlab seem to be a forward thinking company and I believe their App will draw in a lot more EDM, Hip Hop and R&B Music Producers to Cakewalk 

I know we have had various things like Dropzone  - Cyclone - Beatscape  over the years and there is also the Matrix view but I feel there is  a gaping hole in CBB for musicians who build tracks around samples which should be addressed. Competing platforms have their own well thought out and intergrated samplers and have flourished and overtaken the DAW formerly known as Sonar because if it.  It's an ideal opportunity to redress this.

My starting point would be the Browser. It's already the default place to audition loops and one shot samples so why not put it on steroids ?  Imagine undocking it and dropping it into the MultiDock to view the fully fledged sampler. This could incorporate all the best attributes of those old plugins as well as new features but much more seamlessly. No VSTi to instantiate, a fluid workflow as you move from browsing sounds to working with them. Looping , chopping, editing, mangling and making samples playable across the keyboard would all be possible within the expanded Super Browser.

Once you're happy with how it sounds, drag across to the track view and drop your newly edited sample instrument into the project ready to perform within your track. This will now act as a standalone sampled instrument that can be refined within it's own instrument if needed.         

Quick easy worklow for modern producers - Let's make Cakewalk best in class for sample based musicians

On 1/23/2019 at 12:27 AM, msmcleod said:

Actually, if the thin version was simply a copy of what you see in the channel strip, but just for the current track & it's bus it would probably work.

That way you'd have:

• Very Thin PC - same as "Narrow Strips" in channel strip
• Thin PC - same as normal channel strip
• Full PC - normal ProChannel

 

Yes I believe that would be ideal . Better still it all exists already. It just needs displaying elsewhere..consistency of GUI is important to workflow 

On 1/23/2019 at 5:59 AM, Daryl L. Samuel said:

Doesn't have to be that way. The tabbed windows can be detachable like web browser tabs.  I like the idea. Bitwig has it. It's dope.

+1

Yes ..they could allow you to it drop into the Multi Dock

On 1/23/2019 at 6:10 AM, Daryl L. Samuel said:

Invert clip colours!

Or at least give us the option

On 1/23/2019 at 9:24 AM, pwalpwal said:

back in the old forum i suggested that moving to the new x-series gui was a missed opportunity to introduce scalability (vectorised rather than bitmapped) to the gui, and noel responded that i might be surprised with upcoming changes, but then it all went pear-shaped... so you never know (i looked but couldn't find that post)

I thnk that would be a massive move in the right direction , displays have come on leaps and bounds and it's set to continue. It doesn't seem that long ago that a 17" CRT was de-reguer and I had a 24" widescreen TV.....now I have 2 x 24" panels and a 43"  LED TV for about the same as that 17" cost me in 1997 !

18 hours ago, Daryl L. Samuel said:

Also, it would be nice to be able to add folders WITHIN folders. How about a +1 for that 😀

I already asked for that in another post a while back  " Nested Folders "

On 1/19/2019 at 1:12 PM, Todd Groemling said:

3) Allow me to designate their type (e.g., Bass, Guitar, Vocal, etc.) - Why? So I can then choose to have Cakewalk group them together and show or hide only those

I use track folders for this and manage it that way

56 minutes ago, indiguBLAU said:

 

     Colorful clips & black lines are better than every black clips & colorful lines.

 

One million percent this !!!!!   Before the  X series this was the default and I still think it looks so much clearer 

27 minutes ago, indiguBLAU said:

 It could be better if I see the waveform of sample audio clip and control the volume in a browser

I agree it's useful,  you can often tell just by looking if a sample could fit well with your track.  Where would you put it though ? If you drag the Browser to the Multidock then there is plenty of space but not so much if it's down the side of the Track View although this can be resized to taste. Perhaps at the bottom where by default the Help View appears?

31 minutes ago, indiguBLAU said:

I know I can control the volume in a mixer console, but it's a little bit inconvenient.

I like this idea too. I suggest Ctrl+Mousewheel whilst hovering over the sample name so the volume of individual samples can be offset realtive to the Preview Buss..assigning a plus or minus value that persists also would be cool so it would remember next time. 

Fabfilter's new Pro-Q3 has an awesome implementation of this

Related : I was watching a tutorial and I think they were using Logic to make a ' slowdown  / tapestop '  type effect and it was built in to the DAW just like an automation line you can draw on any track.  I would love that feature. 

I dunno..there are SO many VSTi's out there that you can grab for free I don't see any big need to bundle them..just a lot of bloat for those of us that are not interested.

The only bundled thing I ever used was Z3ta , and maybe TTS-1 to make my own metronome. The studio Instuments are a waste of space for anything serious.  

2 hours ago, SteveC said:

Right...   aside from the EQ I was thinking about the other available PC modules.    Since PC modules are VSTs but use a custom non-standard UI I guess they'd need a secondary UI as well for the thin version - the four default controls would have to be chosen for each module.   

 

i think those four controls are called ' handles ' ..don't quote me on it..you can see those little black sticky out parts...but each module ( apart from the EQ)  would just have it's four most popular parameters assigned to the 4 handles.. also you can already customize the 4 default handles to control whatever parameter you want so it's easliy do-able.  

Good Tip

On 1/4/2019 at 12:49 AM, Kamikaze said:

Du the PNG format behind the faders, I doubt stretching could be a easily implemented,  Long range option shoudn't be so bad. It would be rally helpful on laptop screens, especially with touch.

Needs rewriting in vectors to allow I think

9 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

You can't drag projects from the start screen though. 

And the start menu only shows the last 100 most recent projects - not all of them.

You want to drag them ? Can you do that now..I have never even considered it...lol and how many unfinished projects have you got ?

I aim to write 100 tracks per year, I finished on 89 last year...I would say about 3 of them ended up on the unfinished pile.

7 hours ago, JoseC said:

That would be great. But it also would be great that it actually played the sample to finish if so desired. I have noticed that it goes back to the beginning after five minutes or so.

Oh I never got to one that was 5 mins long - I didn't know that !  Wow that is a long sample.

Yes , if was just left it should play to the end I agree