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8 hours ago, Misha said:
I don't follow your "something from a 90s home keyboard" comment. Midi segments are Midi segments. If they were played / programmed well, they will sound good 100 years from now. They are just instructions, just as with gazillion EZ keys MIDI "packs", that people can't stop buying, which are essentially melodic (or rhythmic) MIDI snips.
Because generally they're not that well programmed esepecially when it comes to anything vaguely contempory. Dial up a Pop preset on any pre-baked arranger and it sounds nothing like what we would call Pop now for example.
Yes if they're really well done the Trad Styles in the likes of EZkeys can probably stand the test of time much better but if you're trying to make music for today's market they're probably not a great idea.
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8 hours ago, Misha said:
I don't know what you "heard" and "where" you heard it, but I respectfully disagree.
Back in 2010 I joined the Taxi forums ( self proclaimed World's Leading A&R Company ) so I've heard a lot of it used there from various people trying to get into the industry.
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20 minutes ago, azslow3 said:
From the amount of feedback I have got about my integration for M/A controllers (probably somehow works with S MK2, but I don't know if someone has ever tried), special integration with CbB/Sonar probably is not worse the resourced required to develop it 🤪
I think if it's to be once again taken seriously then it's these types of things that can be deciding factors for busy media composers
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On 9/23/2023 at 9:09 PM, Teegarden said:
If this will happen, why would it not be compatible with CbB? Sonar is just a name change and another update of a DAW that has many years of backward compatibility...
Because it sounds like it would require some new code and no new code is going into CbB from this point forward.
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Everything I've ever heard made with Bland In A Box sounds cheesy and terrible. Maybe it's the user's fault and it can actually be made to sound really good instead of canned, or maybe it's just really meant to be a placeholder for something better like a live musician. But it's often easy to spot when someone has used it.
I've been asking for a chord track for several years ( and have received hints that it's coming ) but I think going further and providing some sort of full on auto-accompianment falls outside the remit of a DAW and gets into 3rd party plugin territory . There's already a ton of good quality virtual backing band type plugins available for example :-
Toontrack have EZkeys, EzBass & Ezdrummer
Sonscore's 'The Orchestra' is great for Orchestral parts as is the Orchestrator which is part of EastWest's Opus Orchestra
Ujam have a bunch of stuff like virtual drummers, a virtual bass player and several virtual guitarists
Then there's loads of Kontakt instruments like NI Session Guitarist series, Session Strings and Session Horns with their animator presets
Also if you're down with the kids there's stuff like LoopCloud which has 4 million samples and can repitch / tempo match to your project and can be a useful source of inspiration
I'm sure there's plenty more options I've not come across and doubtless once Ai plugins start coming to market we'll have tools that we can tell to just play a guitar or violin solo and it will spit out something pretty good. But anything that whiffs of something from a 90s home keyboard isn't really writing music in my book and also tends to sound generic and of low quality.
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I use Kontakt a lot and the the new S series Mk 3 keyboards look very interesting but I just watched a review which says for it to function properly the DAW needs to be made compatible.
I don't know what this entails and as CbB is now sunsetted that's obviously never going to happen, but as all the other major DAWs look to be compatible or adding compatibility is this something we can hope for in the new Sonar ?
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6 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:
Interesting, is this still happening if you try to go to whats new from the help menu? We're not seeing this.
Also, what browser version are you using?Thanks I have fixed it, I think it was a leftover banning cookie from when Wookie got the hump with me a couple of years ago. Strangely it only came into effect when I deleted Bandlab Assistant.
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2 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:
Bandlab assistant hasn't been used by Cakewalk for login for more than a year and a half. It will no longer work for activating Cakewalk. All sign in must be done within the app from the help menu.
I deleted Bandlab Assisant and although I've had no trouble updating CbB and I'm signed into the App I can no longer view the Bandlab website
It tried to take me there to show me what's new with the update and it's just blank
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On 9/13/2023 at 12:14 PM, msmcleod said:
But to answer the original question of the post... "How many users does CbB have?"... go here:
https://bandlabtechnologies.com/brands/cakewalk/Wow . That is a lot
Out of interest do you get useage data , are you able to see how many CbB were logged over a given time period ?
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3 hours ago, msmcleod said:
You can save/load presets either within preferences, or alternatively specify a config preset as a command line option (so you can have different shortcuts on your desktop that launch Sonar with different configs).
Will the preset persist if I save it in a Project Template ?
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2 hours ago, msmcleod said:
The new Sonar will have configuration presets, which will make this far easier.
Great. Does this mean my preferred choice of Sound On Sound editing can be part of the preset so I don't have to go back in to preferences and select it each time I start a new project ?
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Channel Tools is very underrated plugin
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14 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:
Tesla owners, for starters.
At least if CbB crashes nobody gets hurt. I wouldn't want to be a Beta Tester for self driving cars which is basically what Tesla Autopilot Customers are.
"The Washington Post analyzed data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and found that Tesla's Autopilot has led to 736 crashes and 17 deaths in the U.S. since 2019.12 "
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9 minutes ago, Jonathan Sasor said:
The apps have a shared intermediary format. It can't do everything as there isn't 1:1 feature parity between Sonar and Next, but it does handle quite a few things, much more than uploading to bandlab.
I've not heard about my Beta Application - So were is Next positioned in the ecosystem - is it somewhere between the Bandlab App and CbB / Sonar ?
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1 hour ago, Byron Dickens said:
I hope it does list at $499.
Honestly I wouldn't mind , I've earned far more than that from it even just in the last few months - If it came with a monthly call with Noel to go though my ideas on improving the UX then I'd sign up today.
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7 hours ago, JohnnyV said:
I Someone straitened me out when I said we had been using a $500 DAW but they were correct and it has actually been Sonar Professional because of the missing add-ons. So CbB is only a $200 DAW.
Yeah it's the old marketing tactic of having a really expsensive top tier that you sell realtively few of so the $200 option looks like a bargain in comparison and was likely the most popular.
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I think the CbB team have been absoloutely brilliant over the past 5yrs.
How anyone can begrudge them transitioning to a paid model after giving us half a decade of pro level software and support FOR FREE goodness only knows.
I see the Platinum Lifetime crowd still complaining over on Facebook, as if Bandlab who owe them nothing either legally or morally haven't already done enough already for the user base. Maybe Bandlab can give them a token concession against new Sonar to finally put the matter to rest.
I've checked my spreadsheet and since April 2018 I've written and produced over 450 tracks with CbB many of which have aired in various TV shows around the world and continue to do so. That wouldn't be possible if CbB wasn't a high quality stable DAW with professional level features and it's testament to the Dev Team that a slew of fantastically useful features have been added during that 5yrs that are in daily use. Off the top of my head...
Arranger Tracks ( This has gotten me out of trouble more times than I care to mention )
Articulation Maps
New Export Module ( This has been a game changer for creating deliverables )
Track Folders
Ripple Editing
ARA 2
That's without accounting for all the bug fixes and small enhancements along the way.
So thanks to the CbB team for the last 5yrs, I will be first in line to purchase the new Sonar. I think the last one I bought was Sonar8.5 as an amateur producer before finally calling time on that version and transitioning to CbB as I was starting to get my tracks used professionally.
I sincerely hope most will follow and the new products are a great success, I would dearly like my DAW to once again grace the pages of Sound on Sound and be talked about by hardware manufacturers as a popular DAW their products need to be tested with and made compatible.
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48 minutes ago, Vassilis said:
1. The volume of Long notes is substantialy lower than those of Spiccato notes, making it difficult to control in a midi setup. I believe it should be corrected.
Spicatto is more aggressive bowing technique ( bouncing the bow off the strings ) so it is more dynamic , has a much shorter attack and yes it's expected to be louder compared to a legato articulaton. It doesn't need correcting. Are you also using the CC controllers as these need to be 'played' as well to get a more life like performance out of orchestral libraries. CC11 is commoly used to control volume dynamically
48 minutes ago, Vassilis said:2. How can you play a fairly fast passage (i.e. a scale run) legato? Using the "Long" samples the phrase is not articulated, and using the spiccato samples the phrase comes out staccato, not legato. Is there a way to do this correctly? Short note samples needed?
It depends. The articulation you need is likely not in the free version if you can't get it to sound the way you want. There are more articulations in teh paid versions
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/bbc-symphony-orchestra-core#whats-included
Some string libraries actually include scale runs as a separate patch which can be triggered and it will do it to the track tempo.
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13 hours ago, John Speth said:
I was listening to a project in which all tracks output to Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth.
They probably figured nobody used this relic from a bygone era. It harks back to the Win98 era and sounded horrible 20 years ago. I remember buying a Yamaha TG300 so I didn't have to listen to such awful sounds but that has long been sold. TTS1 sounds markedly better and even that is relatively terrible sounding in today's landscape although I guess it has it's uses ( like making click tracks )
There are tons of awesome souding free virtual instruments out there or if you want to stick with naff sounds use TTS1
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34 minutes ago, blkarl7777 said:
I have Track Folder A and Track Folder B. I just want to put Track Folder B inside of Track Folder A. Why is this so hard?
It's not hard, it just works as expected here Drag one folder in the other and it highlights it like this
Result is this
Easy Peazy
Maybe you have and older version
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I don't do any exporting shenanignans as it takes too much time, I just make sure I have enough different ways of referencing at my DAW so I can adjust in real time. From my seat I can switch between several physical options:-
1. Main Nearfields ( APS )
2. Grotbox Speaker ( Avantone Mixcube - mono )
3. Old Boombox ( some people use old computer speakers also )
This makes it much easier to triangulate the mix so I know it will translate well for broadcast. There are also plugins you can get that emulate the frequency response of different playback systems such as Micchecker Pro
I also have Slate VSX which I got so I can mix late at night without disturbing the family , this does have an iPhone emulation in the latest v4 update but to be honest I didn't find it much help. Some of the other rooms are great though , and their SUV really tells you if you got the subs right.
The other thing that makes a lot of difference is having reference tracks, I use Metric A/B so I can compare a level matched version of my mix against commercial mixes or reference tracks sent by the publisher.
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17 hours ago, Bapu said:
Most here know I have 11 paid for DAW products installed.
Eleven ! F##k me how do you get anything done 😆
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Did you check the Mod Wheel isn't acting as a volume control and in the down position - Check the Event List of the copied midi data for anything other than note data that may be causing it
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Native Instruments Kontrol S - Mk 3 compatbility - New Sonar ???
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The new one doesn't force KK for using the Kontakt instruments, it's directly integrated with K7
Personally I don't care for pads, or faders much which are absent on the new model. I have them on my M-Audio controller and never use them. What I do use a lot in Kontakt , pretty much every track I make has a handful of Kontakt Instruments or more. So having direct control from the keyboard itself is a big attraction to me.