Clovis Ramsay

7 hours ago, jono grant said:

Thanks for the info Clovis, such a great feature! Though, by the time I go through and correct all the weird markers etc. it's close to the time that it takes to do it manually. I will dig in and find out what I can. Just trying to get it to work better. Cheers

JG  

I forgot to link you up with this tutorial, it's straight to the point and the only tutorial so far that gets the results you and myself are trying to achieve.  This guy is so good at and so quick that you have to slow the video down to help absorb the great knowledge he shares.

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/390-cakewalk-drum-editing-tutorial/

On 4/1/2021 at 1:13 PM, Starship Krupa said:

Yes, was it ambiguous? I, like you, would like it to function more like Windows Explorer.

I think by "CW VST layout" you mean the Plug-In Manager? The reason I don't use that for organizing my layout is because when I did, newly installed plug-ins with no category information embedded in them weren't showing up in the Browser. If I organize them in the Browser itself, I still get them in the category "Uncategorized."

Just double checking, I am far to aware that 99% of text based socializing plays out entirely in ones imagination, so Im compelled to act diligently.

Yes, I abbrv. 4 speed.  That is interesting though, I do not have or can yet recreate your exact experience with the browser, that I can so far understand exactly as being your experience anyway

On 3/22/2021 at 6:48 PM, Starship Krupa said:

Specifically the Plug-ins tabs.

Having to right click and select from a list of categories is excess hassle.

Even 3 years in to CbB, I still sometimes forget that I can't just drag a plug-in from Uncategorized to the folder where I want it.

Im confused, are you referring to the browser pane specifically?  I always go into the CW VST layout and customize my plug lists as well as exclude vst2 plug ins.  I do like that CW files most of my plug ins within cats (eq, dynamics) as most DAWs I am familiar with do not sort them in this way, that I know of at the time I've used them anyway.  I do find myself needing the browser pane to function more like OS explore windows, usually when im in a crunch.

@jono grant Here is a link to reference material for drum editing using Audiosnap in Cakewalk.  The attachment is from the Cakewalk reference guide that I extracted the chapters  on Audiosnap only.

Advanced Drum Editing Reference Material For Use In Cakewalk by BandLab

Audio Snap Reference Guide - Cakewalk by BandLab.pdf

On 3/24/2021 at 4:52 PM, jono grant said:

Hi, 

Is there a place one can go to adjust the settings of how Cakewalk will "Split clips at audio snap pool"?

Audio snap puts it's markers at the peak of the transient, I feel like that's not the best split-point when trying to quantize real drum multitracks.

Also, after splitting, it seems to put crossfades but they don't cross, so there are gaps all over the place.

Wondering if I can tweak any settings to get this working better?

 

Thanks

J

Yes there are settings in preferences, select the Advanced button at bottom of the window, then select Audiosnap which is typed in blue letters.  There you will be able to change the midi parameters and you should see crossfade settings.  There is also a prompt to change crossfade when you select the split beats button in the audiosnap window.  Quantize in the audiosnap window will also give you these options.  

I went down the audiosnap rabbithole last month to get myself back up to speen with it.  Its very confusing and is counterintuitive but if you will just take a few hours with a practice project file with drum tracks,  go in and get destructive with it.  Try everything out like one would try every door and room in a video game, learning more of what not to do and in what order sequence to do each step is how you will master the tricky and mysterious audiosnap for drum editing.  

Also, how far are you zooming in on the markers to check that they are laying on the peak and not just before?  I too thought the exact thing and found it useless until I learned that it actually butts up against it.   If you will select one drum track and hit TAB, the cursor will stop just before each transient which is great for manually slicing up tracks and a reference to checking if the markers are landing on peak or just before the transient registers above the noise floor!

 
Once I get back to my studio, I will upload several PDF tutorials with screenshots that definitely helped me out.  

As long as the software stays competitive to the other daws with its capabilities, I have no reason to feel that I am missing out on anything.  
 

Although, I do miss Logics Variation feature as it gave me a quick overview of how a song would sound and benefit from a key change while maintaining tempo, all without introducing artifacts and destroying the transits.  Thats not what the variation speed is for but it works brilliantly utilized in that way.

On 3/19/2021 at 10:04 AM, aleo said:

Many thanks MS, Scook, and John!  I'm learning a lot about these settings.  In all of my current projects I'm working with 48kHz. and 24 bits .  In Preferences, 64 bit Double Precision Engine is always checked; Record Bit Depth is 24, Render Bit depth is 32.

Someone smarter than me should follow up and confirm my hypothesis regarding 64 bit Dbl Precision Engine....I do believe one must be working with 64-bit audio files for one to need 64 bit DPE engaged.  

That is how I interpreted it's purpose.  ...-waiting for forum user tech person smarter than I to confirm and/or correct me--  until then, be excellent! 

On 3/23/2021 at 3:32 PM, Larry Jones said:

Wouldn't it be some kind of developer malpractice not to disclose the bitbridged thing, especially if you are also offering a 32-bit option?

Not when the software comes from pre-BandLab and was fashioned to function the same as all of Cakewalks installers from the 2013-2017 era.  My SONAR offers both 32 & 64 bit, as does all of the installers that are downloaded through the Command Center.  Not many remember that Windows 8 offered either bit version also, it was trendy i suppose.  I refer to that time period as the "Great PC Resolution Evolutionary Transitional Revolution".   But thats just me, its bygone days now.

On 3/23/2021 at 10:39 AM, Richard Hunter said:

Anyone have ideas on why 32 bit plugins would cause Cakewalk to crash?

Also, I keep getting a message from BFD3 to the effect that having 32 and 64 bit versions of the plugin on the system might destabilize the system.  Is that true?

 

 

BandLab has gone strictly 64-bit which means you would have to use a 2018 version of Cakewalk to have a relatively stable experience as this version would be closer to the last build of SONAR that had both 32 & 64 bit installs and bridging.   A crash is still likely though (saying more as a disclaimer because I am smart but my deeper tech cred is kinda, meh).

I kept my 32 bit machine that i use exclusively for archiving, troubleshooting, anything that might function better in a legacy operation.  Im sure they will come out with a 128 bit platform (again, credentials meh) so get use to having to cut chords to old outdated things.  Maybe one day software will just BE and stay BE

Hey here's a PRO tip to help with that PRO-LONGED project load time!! 

OK!  before you close out your sessions for the day, select the "FX" button in the control bar that sits in the mix module.  It is alongside the dim solo, the "2x" upsample (i think it's just placebo imo) , the R and W automation buttons....you all know the ones!   So be sure it is Enabled (disables plugins globally, like as in the whole world), then proceed to save/close your sessions and go reflect on how your life has turned out for ya so far....really think hard on that one!

Well by selecting that "FX" button before you save and close your project out, you are disabling every effect and instrument across the entire project which has cut half the time for me when opening my sessions.  It also minimizes any sudden pops or plug ins corrupting creating a loud hiss (ahem...Waves Inc. I see and HEAR you!)  So get in the habit of saving projects in plugin bypass mode!   

Just as a caveat (what does that even mean?) try NOT to mistake the bypass mode for the offset mode.  You will be a sour little gremlin if you find yourself mixing in offset on top of and simultaneously to default mode lol....you will literally think you are having serious brain perception issues after sometime.   Please capture your reaction if you do happen to be in such a predicament 😂

 There is your pro tip from a dude who doesn't even know what the heck he is talking about most of the time.  But thanks for your time anyways, and no, you cannot reclaim your time.  not at cakewalk at least, try fruity loops or whatever that program is called.

Elliott Smith's "From A Basement On A Hill"  ....yea the whole album keeps me skin all prickly and a sense that somewhere in his songs lay the answers to all of my questions about the universe.  Rock music has lost majority of it's best representatives and now sits abandoned, covered in vines and wasp nests.   

Well, there is still Keith Richards and Brian Wilson which is proof that life expectancy is completely counter intuitive 

On 3/12/2021 at 10:01 PM, Josh Wolfer said:

The baker's rapidly responded to my last bug and are including a fix in the next release. Booyah. So I figured I'd bring up the other biggest nuisance bug that's been plaguing me for months. 

I took a video again, since that seems to be the best way to show exactly what's happening. 

Plain and simple, when you're bouncing a bunch of clips together, pretty frequently Cakewalk decides to provide you the large single clip that it should, plus it add a whole bunch of other clips that don't belong, into a new take lane. 

This happens so frequently across all projects, that I'm sure this is reproducible by someone else. I also just tried it again with auto-xfades off and it still happened. 

Cheers bakers! ❤️

@Noel Borthwick @msmcleod

 

 

i've never detected feelings of frustration from CTRL-Z before in my life until watching this!  Though, I do share similar moments with my instance of CW.  Rendering hard gain settings via the "file menu-process audio-gain..." will restart the track to begin just after the section that was rendered, meaning it creates a whole new track that is wayyyy ooff time and killing my vibes.   

I CTRL-Z so hard I that I CTRL-7 now!  Somehow Z and 7 can substitute for each other, pretty neato i thinks!

On 3/16/2021 at 9:52 AM, Wibbles said:

I suspect you mean Twelve Tone. 

 

Two , Twelve....whats the difference anyway?  They both gave up on their part of the deal of our little thing we had goins on, Two for nothing and twelve hens a layin alimony....yea thats right twelve, we saw you all in cahoots with daddy Roland!

Dang I gotta stop drinking

koolaid

On 12/29/2020 at 5:29 PM, TheSteven said:

Heads up on iZotope plugins if you're considering engaging the iLok option...
Don't, unless you're going to be using it on multiple machines (as with studios or clients) that already have the iLok licensing authorized/activated for the individual plugins.

Here in lies my cautionary tale...

Been using iZotope for ages and after going through several different suite upgrades now have over 100 of their plugin haunting my system.
Planning on getting a new computer I thought that going the iLok route would make my iZotope migration fairly painless - as using their Product Portal takes most of the pain out of the installation and it's the authorization process that the real pain (having to click past multiple screens for each individual plugin).

But... I was wrong.  Even with iLok you still** have to manually authorize each plugin and if you engage the iLok option on an existing system using iZotope plugins you'll have to reauthorize each iZotope plugin again.
I've contacted iZotope support and they've said basically (to paraphase) "Yup, that's the way it works."

**iZotope's implementation is different than other vendors as in addition to authorizing on the iLok you still have to authorize each plugin on each machine you will be using them on.

 

As shown in the image below from the iZotope Product Portal - the plugin is authorized to iLok but still requires computer authorization

 

and when you fire one up... (yes image shows Nectar 2, same thing happens with Nectar 3 and the rest of my iZotopes.  I just didn't feel like going through the process of grabbing another screen shot).

 

BTW all my other iLok plugs are working fine.

So now I'm looking at spending an unknown extended amount of time individually authorizing all my current iZtope plugins via the Product Portal and the olders one using SaviHost or something similar.
If I was smart I would have just converted one plugin to iLok and tested it out first but I didn't, like most people I've got multiple things competing for my time & attention and I just wanted get it done so that I could move on to the next thing; unfortunately I didn't imagine that iZotope would do iLok differently than everyone else does.

Peace out.

...Steven

This IS the way you want to authorize as it will lead you to a drop down list of all drives connected to your machine that will store all license on, such as any USB flashdrive formatted FAT (less than 16GB capacity) or FAT32.  All izotope plugins that can be downloaded via portal can be authorized inside your DAW prompting this screen each time and it is worth doing since it allows you to save license virtually anywhere.  iLok activations are offered just as a courtesy to those industry engineers who have to use iLok on company machines.  iLok is optional and a good thing to have as backup.

On 3/16/2021 at 9:04 AM, Starship Krupa said:

This would seriously harsh my mellow. Phoenix Stereo is The Answer.

seems we've tapped into the greater beyond with our Exponential praises, as they are on sale right now!

I was referring to the Cakewalk brand undr TwoTones, then Roland, then Gibson and such.  My Sonar 5, 7, 8.5 were excellent to me and the very first music production custom computer shop that was all the rage back then always featured their best builds around Sonar.  

8 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

I'd love for them to be licensed in the usual iZotope fashion, but they're re-badged versions of the products they bought along with the rest of the Exponential IP.

I just had a problem with my iLok manager creating a duplicate “Machine” location that was holding my Exponential codes hostage for a week!  It took contacting iLok (next day reply) then iZotope (2 day reply) to make me whole again.  
 

With the price tag being what it is, there should NEVER be such a situation as this to occur!  My 3 plugins would have paid for the programming it takes to make the “duplicate machine” problem a thing no more.  Its 2021, we can do better!

If it supports any Windows based DAW, it supports Cakewalk.  Cakewalk is the oldest code in the Windows DAW world, its more likely than not that the midi key controller designer started out testing in some iteration and version of Cakewalk over the last 20 yrs.  If there is a conflict between the DAW and the controller, its usually always the drivers for the controller or user error.  But Ive had 100% connection rate to all kinds of weird knockoff controllers that people bring in to record with so I would be  surprised if you actually came into problems .  Its usually the really complicated and complex mega keystations that make all the fuss when connected to “unlisted” DAWs (Brand signaling)

22 minutes ago, Joshua Dakin said:

Will do, thanks.  I did try and get an e-mail to contact before coming here but that bit of the site is "under construction". 

Have you tried obtaining CA-2A through Command Center?  It only requires a username and p/w, not an email address

On 3/13/2021 at 3:40 PM, Tony Carpenter said:

My specs are in my sig. I wasn't and I am still not, a fan of a PC for music, OSX Core Audio is still the best.. but, I gotta say, my audio PC is also very good for games LOL. 

I love the flexibility of PC, I absolutely abhor the Windows experience and GUI....its just a terrible OS for Audio/Media production compared to OSX/MacOS and even Linux.    
 

Funny how Windows actually originated when  Bill Gates went snooping through Apples first GUI prototype machine and lifting its code.  And Windows still to this day feels like it was designed in a hurry and all from memory.  

7 hours ago, RBH said:

Thanks for posting these. I'd like to try a few out.

The Console temps are great as a quick and easy setup with all of the tracks and buss having ProChannel enabled with its corresponding emulation settings ready to go.  The reference manual says that this setup is as close as one can get to recreating the sonic qualities of the 3 consoles, from recording to mixing.  
 

I also highly recommend studying the “Mixing Templates” for Rock and Pop because they really do some advanced routing of audio and sends.  There are several hidden buss and patch points that you need to unhide to trace them.  The plugins are sonnitus and all the settings can be saved as presets, and I also recommend saving each tracks FX bin into FX Chain Presets.  Its like gaining a whole new collection of built in tools designed exclusively for each instrument type.  
 

....I like to call this “living off the land”, something you learn to do when income is scarce and so you stock up on all the ketchup packets from all the fast food joints lol 😂  

you can use a standard USB drive as your authorized  machine to store license for iZotope.   Don't authorize through the portal, and I would even suggest to cancel the screen prompt once the portal has downloaded the files into your download folder and manually install them.  Once you've installed your plugins, go into your daw and authorize each plug in this way as it gives you the option to select a USB flash drive as your machine.  This is how I do mine along with my Waves plugs, however, the Exponential plugs require iLok so I just use the PACE proxy server by the iLok manager instead of using a iLok drive. 

Most license I have authorized from within the DAW has allowed me the option of storing my license on whichever disk is connected at that time.

Let's face it, Cakewalk has always been kicked from one company to another mega brand company 4 to 5 times over the last 20 years.  Something wasn't working and it baffles me as to why that is, considering that Cakewalk was actually pretty innovative and has several claims to being the first to develop or implement new features. 

In the beginning there was Pro Tools, Logic, and Cakewalk.   Nobody could afford Pro Tools because it would only work exclusively with AVID hardware, and Logic at the time was purely MIDI before Apple acquired it.  So that left Cakewalk which implemented both audio production and midi and worked on everyone's family pc (that got hijacked by me and never left the garage for years).

+1 CA-2A for it's integration as a ProChannel module.  PC modules make the workflow FLOW much better not having to open up plug ins, just select a track and there they all is.  It tis a beautiful thing, it gives me teary eyes 😢

For those of us who were "rolled over" from the previous life of Cakewalk by BandLab known as "SONAR", acquired significantly more templates that were pre configured and delegated among each tier package  (Artist, Professional, Platinum).  This also included a few more ProChannel FX Chain Inserts that utilized the bundled in 3rd party plugin suites.  I have always had a folder of my Pro & Platinum Temps in a cloud for mobility and to easily share with friends that are learning how to use Cakewalk.  

The templates that I will share here utilize the DXi, VST, VSTi programs that come already fitted out within Cakewalk by BandLab.  I will post any advanced templates using 3rd party plug ins in a separate topic in the forum.

Showcase Templates (TH3, Virtual Instruments, Surround 5.1)

Mix and Mastering Templates

Console Emulation (S- Type, N- Type, A- Type)