jieva

Perfect - All fixed - a big thanks to the team

I set it and it does not seem to make any difference.  

I have Cakewalk set to be the default midi player.  When I double click a midi file - Cakewalk starts up, loads the midi file, loads TTS and all is fine playing wise.  However, the folder that contains the Midi file now contains an Audio Export folder regardless of what I have it set to in preferences

When I open a Midi file in other editors EG Reaper and look at the event list there are note off values.  If I load that same midi to cakewalk and then export it as midi and then open with another editor the note-off values/events are not present.  

If I load the original Midi (not touched by Cakewalk) into Studio One and export it back out and then load it in reaper the note off values are preserved.

It seems that any midi that I export from Cakewalk drops the Note-off values

This is making it impossible for me to move midi in and out of cakewalk as it has serious effects on the midi within the other editors.

The same happens if I just drag a midi track from within cakewalk to the desktop.  The midi file is created but it has dropped all of the noteoff events/values

Is this a bug or by design ?

Sorry I meant when you add a plugin via the fx box in a track etc.  I realise that you can do what I want via the plugins browser side bar thing and dragging it over.

Please can you consider having a way to search for a plugin when adding an fx or instrument.  A simple find box that filters before picking would be nice.

These days people have a lot of plugins and scrolling through drop down menus is quite difficult.

Many many thanks for the recent updates.  Expression maps are simply outstanding.

3 minutes ago, jieva said:

First attempt no good - uninstalled cakewalk and Bandlab assistent.

This did not remove the entries in Pragram Files, Program data and Appdata/Roaming so I manually removed them.

Wend to Bandlab sit and chose download.  Installed the assistant then downloaed Cakewalk without and extras - EG Studio Instruments etc.

Proceeded to install 

Chose advanced (It gave options to choose directories for installation but it would not let me change them. They were greyed out)

Completed the install - and Staff view still not obeying Global Snap

Going to Repeat but this time clear out all the registry entries that the uninstall does not.

 

Ok It is now working.  After uninstalling and then manually clearing the registry and the direcorties and then reinstalling.  This time a Cakewalk  wizard took me through a setup as if this was the first time installation and all is well.  Now the hard part of putting back all of my settings, workspaces and sorting out all of the plugins etc.

A real pain but worth it for the snap function - It's a primitive snap but will do me.

Thanks for your help everyone and thankyou Bandlab

One thing extra that I have noticed is that the start window were you choose a project or create new is far faster.

Regards

Jim

30 minutes ago, jieva said:

That's good news at least I know that it must be something with my computer.

I will backup and uninstall and reinstall and see what happens

 

First attempt no good - uninstalled cakewalk and Bandlab assistent.

This did not remove the entries in Pragram Files, Program data and Appdata/Roaming so I manually removed them.

Wend to Bandlab sit and chose download.  Installed the assistant then downloaed Cakewalk without and extras - EG Studio Instruments etc.

Proceeded to install 

Chose advanced (It gave options to choose directories for installation but it would not let me change them. They were greyed out)

Completed the install - and Staff view still not obeying Global Snap

Going to Repeat but this time clear out all the registry entries that the uninstall does not.

2 hours ago, jsg said:

Yes, I always leave the note resolution on 1/32.  I've tested this multiple times using different note values.  It's definitely working properly on my machine.  If I turn snap off it defaults to 1/32 resolution (snap resolution) and if I turn it on it snaps to whichever note value I choose.

I guess the next thing I'd try is to uninstall CW and download it again and reinstall it.  Let me know what happens. Maybe also delete some configuration files pertaining to MIDI before reinstalling, although you'd have to reconfigure some settings..

p.s.  I've now tested this on 2 machines and snap is working properly on the staff view for both...

 

 

That's good news at least I know that it must be something with my computer.

I will backup and uninstall and reinstall and see what happens

6 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

@jieva - Are you using a template that was created using an older version of SONAR?

I just tried it using the basic.cwt and empty project.cwt - both have the same results.  I also tried opening the demo project Sophia Jane dated 08/08/2020, added a midi track and the very same results

 

6 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, jsg said:

Yes, that is the global snap, on the control bar.  It's working properly on my DAW.  Hmm, it should be working on yours. Try turning global snap off and then back on.

Are you sure you are running the newest version? It just got released yesterday.

 

I posted the version info above it's 2020.08 (Build 100, 64 Bit) Running on Windows 10 with all the latest patches.

I installed it yesterday.

I have tried toggling the grid on and off, tried running as administrator.  Tried now about 20 times.

Do you have your display resolution set at 32nd so you can see if the notes are really on the snap ?.  What do the start positions look like in event viewer ?

I really do hope that it is working for you.

Regards

Jim

I have tried it lots of times with the same result.

Brand new project. Make sure that the Snap Grid is on and change it to a value (say 1/4 note)

Open a midi track into staff view. Select a note duration (Any duration) and I can place it anywhere on the stave and it does not snap. 

If I drag the note around I can see it still moving by 1/32nd and it does not snap then either. For me it is no different than from before.

Just now, jieva said:

These are brand new notes in a brand new project.

My display resolution is set to 1/32.

 

With the snap on

1 minute ago, msmcleod said:

Are these existing notes, or notes which you have placed with the snap on?

The global snap setting affects the placing of new notes - not what is shown. For that, use the display resolution:


 

These are brand new notes in a brand new project.

My display resolution is set to 1/32.

17 hours ago, msmcleod said:

If global snap is turned off, the staff view reverts to the old snap of 1/32 notes depending on where you click within the measure.

And this is my version info.

I take it that Global snap is the snap grid on or off in the Main Tool Bar ?

I did not download the beta but waited for the official change and downloaded and installed via the Bandlab Assistant

17 hours ago, jsg said:

I hope you turned on the snap on the control bar..I just tried it and it's working properly.  Finally, after years of neglect the notation editor is repaired.

 

Yes I have and it still behaves like it always did regardless of that.

Just installed 2020.08 and cant get snap to work at all in staff view

The Staff view snap does not seem to be working.

They are adding back the snap for the next release, although I think that they said that Staff view will obey the Global snap function and not have its own.  That's good enough for me and bandlab I thankyou very much indeed.

Along with the existing midi input quantize I would like to have an input velocity curve  to choose.

21 hours ago, msmcleod said:

@jieva - the snap issue is fixed for the next release, but I'm struggling to find a situation where CTRL + right click is any different from right click... can you give an example?

I do believe that if you select say a whole bar and want to bring up the menu that has slide, deglitch etc then you need CTRL+Right Click.  I think that it used to be Right Click only.  Very minor for me really.  Just very grateful that you have fixed snap.

On 7/8/2020 at 8:18 PM, jsg said:

Just because you haven't learned to use it is no reason to project and say it's unusable.  It's unusable FOR YOU.    I don't like spinach, that's a subjective truth.  But I cannot say that spinach is objectively bad, I can only say I don't like it.    I used Digital Performer's QuickScribe for 18 months, every day.  It's not any better than Cakewalk; it has a few features that are better, but Cakewalk has features that are better for composition for me.    How could a classically-trained composer who has produced 14 albums and over 750 soundtrack cues work in the staff view if it's "unusable"?  Maybe I know something you don't?  Try to recognize the difference between a subjective evaluation, which you're certainly entitled to, and a overgeneralized sweeping statement that doesn't take into account the experience of others.

 

 

I too am a classical musician and really like using Staff view for composing.  Some Instruments I play virtually using a keyboard, some I record directly as audio and some I notate.  I can't do that in a Publishing tool like Sibelius but I do use it to print scores and parts if need be.  A previous post saying that staff view is unusable is not my experience and I can live with its limitations for my use and I will be quite happy when the snap function returns and the ctrl+right click is restored back to just right click.

Another reason that I like Staff View is that I can see more easily the "shape" of the phrases if that makes sense and for multiple parts can see where the melody, harmony and counterpoint move in relation to each other.  I find that really hard in Piano Roll.

Reaper notation is not Sibelius compared to Cakewalk for me.  I use both and find the reaper notation a bit more cumbersome to work with on the whole, however, it's snap functions are perfect!

I get this atop Staff View as well - only when working with Midi

That is such good news.

Thank you

Not many people seem to care about staff view but for me it is really important, especially for writing orchestral stuff for games and films etc.  Cakewalk can do almost anything except place a note where you want it.  After years and years of it being fine someone decided to remove the snap (and indeed the note values at one point).  I have decided to migrate to reaper.  It has been a bit of a struggle but once you get the hang of it then I can do most things there now.  I would come back to cakewalk if staff view had snap.  I also work withing a group of people and that means that we will all switch.

I appreciate the tremendous effort that goes into some of the latest features but in reality I would not use the arranger view and while being able to visually see changes to a wave in a clip when you apply envelopes is tremendous bit of engineering it does not change the fact that I can't enter the notes on time.  I could use the piano roll for maybe 2 instruments at a time but that is so hard compared to looking at a full score of instruments and moving individual notes around or seeing  where instruments are in conflict etc.  

I really don't know why Bandlab don't say anything at all about it or seem to grasp that it is important for some of us.

I am thinking of doing some youtube vids of my experience of converting over to reaper and how to do some of the things in reaper that are difficult to find in reaper but easy in cakewalk.  Such things as assigning a midi channel to a track or working out how to do the routing of a track so that it resembles the synth rack, bouncing audio, splitting and joining clips (Items in Reaper) etc

When opening a staff view, sometimes the track view playback line(Big Vertical line) is on top of the staff view and not behind it.  This is very offputting as the staff view also has it's own playback line.

This seems to happen after I have loaded a plugin like Kontakt and minimised it. but not all of the time.