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There's an interview with him floating around out there somewhere where he talks about how and why he invented it for them. I think the company that made a VST out of the ADT effect put it out. That's where I first heard about it. It sounds like they probably used it on some guitars too.

I disliked the Beach Boys long before I ever knew about session musicians and all that. Growing up, I always assumed the guys in the band were what I was hearing on the recordings. It wasnt until much later in life when I started reading about session musicians and then realized who I was actually hearing on the vast majority of hits from back in the day. At that point I gained a whole new respect for those that wrote and recorded their songs themselves. The BB's always sounded slightly off key to me and that's partly why I don't like them. I think it's because there were too many similar voices competing for space? I don't know. They just don't appeal to my ears. I never understood the comparison between the Beatles and them either. There really is none. Two different animals that shouldn't be compared imo. Both are great to the masses and it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority think. I saw a video recently with Gene Simmons who was dealing with a cocky interviewer. He shut the guy down and basically told him it doesn't matter what you and I think of a group, it matters what the people who do like them that pay them for their music thinks. Something to that effect. And he's right. He started rattling off names of old singers and the kid never heard of them and you could see Gene just wanted to slap him. It was funny. IOW I admit I'm in the minority with my dislike for their vocals and it doesn't matter what I think. One dig on the Beatles is, they couldn't do vocals very well so they had an EMI engineer invent ADT so they wouldn't waste so much time on studio takes trying to get their double tracked vocals right. Can you imagine the pressure on both of those groups to keep pumping out hits by the record labels at that time? I can see why Brian Wilson lost his marbles and Lennon ended up with Yoko. Lol.

I didn't watch the video, but I read an article about it. I think she's being a bit oversensitive about it. That said, a lot of people don't really give a flyin' hoot about the R&R Hall Of Fame so I've read. I think I was there once at their museum or whatever it is. The only thing I can remember is seeing one of Bowie's costumes. And I don't know why I remember just that, I'm not a fan at all of his work.

Too soon? 😁

There's a lot of great younger indie artists out. I really like her, Sierra Ferrell and Charlie Crockett.

To me, the difference is they didn't hide it so to speak. Nobody with strings in their song sat there and did it themselves. But the difference between the two groups is, one had professional studio musicians do most of the work, the other did it themselves and were closely involved in the process from start to finish. And there's no right or wrong in regard to doing that. But more of my respect goes to The Beatles for the group hands on. At least at the beginning. As technology improved over their careers, then they changed. And eventually went back to the early days. The other thing for me that really turns me off about The Beach Boys is their involvement with certain people. I've read that one psyco inparticular actually co-wrote some of their hits but never received credit. Hard to say if that's true but there's no denying their involvement with him. And as I sit here typing this Please Please Me comes on and all I hear is the 4 of them. Messed up lyrics and all ... 🙂 listen close around 1:25. 🙂 You can hear the frustration in Lennon's voice when he does the first "Come on" after the mess up. 🙂

Thanks to my Columbia House membership way back in the day, I inadvertently ended up with dozens of 1st release CD's before the loudness wars. I'm probably sitting on a small fortune of CD's to the right buyer. I have the original CD release of Brothers In Arms among many others. I haven't touched my DAW (for music) in several years. Seems I remember that whole lufs -14 (or whatever it was) is a nice sweet spot to shoot for. What we consider proper was actually mastered for vinyl for various reasons. From the RIAA curve, to the turntable, to the pre-amp, and then the main stereo amp, it all seemed to be calibrated for a very particular level. Now there are no limitations of a mechanical form, so I can see how this ball started rolling. Plus, how much dynamic range is there really when you have two tiny speakers rammed an 1/8 inch from your eardrum like most do nowadays.

They just raised it 19% here in NJ. Kicks in at the end of the month. As for masters, I hope it's the start of a new trend too. These days I listen to music I don't even particularly like just for the quality of the recording.

The thing that sets McCartney and the Beatles apart is, they wrote and recorded their music themselves. Espwcially in the early years. They never had The Wrecking Crew backing them other than George Martin's input. Sting was a good businessman, but a writing legend he is not ....

I never got all the fuss about them. Pet Sounds Vs. Sgt. Pepper ... uh ... no. Still sad to see a legend go though.

And I stand corrected again ... the new GPU's by Nvidia are PCIe 5. If you can get one, assuming you'd want one. They can keep their fake frames and fake fps @ thousands of dollars. No thanks. At the prices they are getting for those GPU's they should be able to render Blender and the Unreal 5 engine at 8K together in real-time while you're playing a game in my opinion.

I'm never going outside again. I'd die if I couldn't eat any of that.

I knew I had heard that song somewhere but couldn't remember. I thought it was just because the melody is so similar to Can't Help Falling In Love With You. Now I want to watch a double feature of that and Munster Go Home. They go very well together. Back in my oldies band days we did Can't Help Falling In Love With You. The rhythm guitar players wife's name was Shirley. We always changed it from "like a river flows, surely to the sea ..." to "... Shirley to the sea.". They never picked up on it, but the rest of us got a laugh out of it in a corny kind of way. She passed away a quite few years ago and he passed away a few months ago. Fond memories of a better time. I say "oldies band days" but since moving back to NJ and helping my brother again with his business, I'm revisiting a lot of my old haunts working on machines part time for him. We do POS systems and Copiers. Every one of the bars and legion halls I've been to that still have bands said people just want to hear 50's, 60's, and 70's. I could call up the guys that are left from my old band, have a couple practices, and be playing out next weekend. Funny how it all comes back around.

Reminds me of the origins of Love Me Tender by Elvis. The music is near identical, but the lyrics are quite different. My brother found a 78 of Elvis' Love Me Tender at a yard sale one time. He framed it and has it hanging in his music room. It's not worth anything, but it's kind of cool to have Elvis on 78.

Not if you sign away your rights to it. It's pretty cut and dry, legal, and very common in the music industry. I remember reading that Paul McCartney wanted to buy the rights back to The Beatles music from Michael Jackson after they were sold to him and he said he wanted too much. I don't know if he ever got them back or not. I haven't read about this, but you said she bought back her rights, which implies she gave someone else control when she signed a contract. She had no rights at that point. Glad she was able to get them back though. Not bashing her or anyone for feeling wronged by this situation, but she must have signed a contract. And the fact she paid them and didn't sue them tells me she knew going in what the deal was.

Used to do this one too ...

If I had a nickel for every time I played this one that he made famous. This version includes the rare extra verse. It was almost never played on the radio because it was almost 4 minutes long.

Damn it Jim, I'm barely a guitar player let alone a PC builder. (Bones/Star Trek) I was always under the impression liquid was strictly for overclocking. I just did a quick search for closed loop AIO's and the cost isn't that much more than that beast of a D15. The bad part is though, everything is going up drastically. My $1100 build is now $1500 (W/D15) ... $1600 for a closed loop AIO. If I would have had a knee jerk jump on it right away reaction like I normally do 2 months ago when I started looking in to this, I could have built this system for around $1200 w/AIO. Pricing keeps going up by the day. That D15 is only supposed to be $150, it's at $180 now. The highest recommended AIO for the 14900 is $267. Frustrating.

Glad he's doing well. He doesn't make 'bad' content, but his style doesn't agree with me. He kind of comes off like, "I'm great, so you should think I'm great, you know, because I am great.". I once used a phrase here to describe what I think, but if I remember correctly I either got banned or my post was censored. Something about a pretentious ... anyway. That's how he sort of comes off to me, so I don't subscribe and I've only watched a few of his vids. But about 5 million people disagree with me so there ya go. You know what they say about opinions. I watched live when Ludwig became the top Twitch streamer of all time. He cried. See, that's humility. J/K.

Over time they do. How well the system was planned out and put together determines the length of time you get out of it and how much you will have to service it. Fluid levels can drop, the system can become dirty and clog the cooling plate, the system may need to be flushed. Leaks can occur. There are a lot of potential failure points. Especially if you push your system and don't have a really clean environment. There are a lot of video's out there about this, like this one. AI must be at play ... I fired up Youtube this morning while having my coffee and it was the first recommended video that came up. Lol. I've never seen that one before this morning, but there are plenty of maintenance video's regarding AIO's out there. Then you get into, are you just doing the CPU? Are you cooling the CPU and GPU? Sorry, I don't have the patients for all of that, but I agree with what others have said that it's almost a necessity nowadays. Especially if you are doing gaming on a 14th Gen CPU with a newer graphics card or doing heavy video editing work. It's just the way the world is going. I personally don't think you need it at all for DAW work though. I'm convinced the overheating problems with the newer Gen CPU's was a two fold Intel and mobo manufacturer problem. From what I've read they were set up to overclock by default even if you don't overclock. There were also a lot of bad CPU's manufactured and that has been corrected. I don't think running excessively hot was the expected norm and it can be corrected in bios settings. I'm not sure where someone who does this for a living gets parts, maybe bulk discounts, but I've been watching all the places I have available to me. The cost of the new Intel AI based CPU's that run significantly cooler, plus a new mobo to support them, are significantly higher than the still current Gen 14's. Particularly if you are aware of the limitations of cheaper mobo's and want to get one that doesn't make cuts like split lanes or doesn't have the actual base Gen 5 RAM speed. A lot don't. They split the CPU lanes for the GPU PCIe slot and M.2 drive slot 1 and they only support 4800. Gen 5 RAM is 5600. If you see RAM advertised as 7800 with CL 30 ... most are actually 4800 CL 50. You can tell what their base specs are by turning of XMP. To get the higher specs you have to overclock them. I had to dig forever to find a mobo that did not split lanes and supported 5600 not overclocked. They don't tell you any of that in the specs when you go on Newegg, Amazon, and other places. You have to pick a mobo and go download the manual to find it. The one I'm going with does not split CPU lanes and supports base 5600 without overclocking, but if you fill all the onboard controller run M.2 slots, after the first slot the speed starts cutting down. Same with RAM on all mobo's. Never fill all 4 slots, it cut the speed down. Only ever use 2. If you want more RAM, yank out your old sticks and put two bigger ones in. Or, buy one off the shelf and save yourself a whole lot of headache and be happy with what you have. They aren't going to be bad. It's just the fact if you have the time to diy and research, you can build yourself a killer system that costs significantly less than off the shelf.

The 14900k was on sale for $388. That's why I jumped on it. I was going to go with an i7 something. It's back up to $425 now. I admit it's overkill for my needs 90% of the time, but I do occasionally want, more than need, that kind of power. That said, I've been perfectly happy with my i7-6700k. My goal this PC build is to future proof it a little longer. Hope I'm making the right call here. Looks like this AI stuff is going to change everything ... Nvidia . Selling GPU's for thousands of dollars with "fake" generated frames that are slower to render real-time than the last generation. Graphics look terrible on them imo. I never thought I'd say this, but Intel GPU's are looking really good right now. At less than a quarter the price. Not talking about embedded graphics. They are really advancing in the actual stand alone GPU market. I also read about a startup company that has a prototype GPU they are going to release soon that actually renders real-time 10x faster than the newest fastest fake frames Nvidia is pumping out, at a fraction of the price. I have my 6700k running great right now for the one game that I occasionally play. I'm seriously thinking of buying the Gog (non-Steam no internet required) version of Fallout 4 and leaving my 3060 in it and using the embedded GPU in the 14900k for now.

It depends on what you are doing and what cpu you are using. If you are going to be setting this up for gaming, I would absolutely listen to Jim and go with liquid. If you are going with a 14900k, the only air cooled option I would consider is the D15. The big giant brown one that wont fit in a lot of cases. The chromax ones are a step down. This one ... https://a.co/d/fJC9PuX My only real problem with liquid is the setup and maintenance. It's not a set it and forget type thing. Eventually you will have to working in. It always scares me having to open up a working system.

Fwiw ... I reluctantly OC'd my RTX3060. I only play 1 game and it's pretty rare I have the time to get into it these days. I have Turbo off on my i7 6700k and everything locked at stock speeds except for the GPU. When I did have turbo on the CPU fan would ramp up and down a lot so I turned it off and locked it to its stock speed. I didn't see any performance change, but I'm not a heavy user either. I'm running Fallout 4 in 2K with all ultra settings at a rock solid 60fps. Even in the downtown Boston area of the map which is notorious for frame dropping. Max GPU temp is 60C and max CPU temp is 40C. I don't even have a case fan. Just CPU and GPU fans. You guys are scaring me talking about the 14900k temps. Lol. Liquid cooling has always scared me, thats why I'm so hesitant to try it. But it does seem that liquid is where it's all going for sure. Maybe it's time I jump into it.

There were 2 horror movies in the 80s called House and House 2. George was in one and the guy who played the mailman was in the other. Both are great movies. Fun horror. Almost comedies. They weren't B movies and both were done very well. Sad to see him go. Famous actors of the day were in both House movies. William Katt was in the one with George. He played The Greatest American Hero. There are actually 4 House movies. 3 and 4 are terrible. 1 and 2 are great.

I brought up the 14900k. Here's my 2 cents on it. If you are even remotely thinking of overclocking, don't go with a fan and go liquid. The benchmarks I've seen show the D15 and a few other much cheaper fans giving almost the same results as liquid cooling not overclocked while being driven hard in benchmark tests. The results I've seen running non-overclocked and hard all fall well below temps that would make it throttle down. The competitors the D15 were compared to were all within a few degrees. @Mesh Here's what I've found after a few months or researching in my spare time: You have to dig and search to find stock speed RAM. 99% of listed specs are their 'stable' overclocked speeds. Most are 4800 stock but the advertised speeds of 5600 and higher are 'stable' overclocked speeds tested by the manufacturer. DDR5 on mobo's are not all the same. Some only natively support 4800, some 5600. Unless your motherboard BIOS updates fixed the default settings, the 14th gen CPU's will be automatically overclocked even if you select stock settings. You have to manually change settings to make them stock spec and run properly. Use an Anti-Bending Buckle aka Contact Block if you are using a 14th gen cpu. And do not overtighten it. That's one mistake I've seen a lot of videos about. Barely snug the screws. You don't want to warp the anit-warper. 14th gen CPU's metal plates warp over time. The anit-bending buckle stops it and dissipates heat better to the cooling block on the fan or liquid cooling block. The D15 offers different version to accommodate the warping. If you install a brand new 14th gen CPU use the "all around" version of the D15 and an anit-bending buckle, or any other fan that only has 1 version and the contact block. Get a motherboard that doesn't split lanes between the PCI and 1st M.2 slot, especially if you are getting one of the newer GPU's out. M.2 slots after the 1st one are controlled by the board and not directly by the CPU like the 1st PCI and M.2 slot are unless you get a really high end mobo. Get an M.2 drive that has cache. Don't fill all 4 Ram slots. Doing so slows your ram speed down. Fill 2 slots. Research case airflow on youtube. It doesn't take a lot, but it has to have proper in and out flow. Here's the system I'm putting together: CPU 14900K CPU CONTACT BLOCK Thermalright LGA1700-BCF MOBO Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X Wifi 7 (Doesn't split CPU lanes between the first PCI and M.2 slots.) This is a PCIe5 mobo and DDR5 RAM @ 5600. I got it to be able to upgrade in the future. No GPU runs at PCIe 5 now. All are 4. RAM Kingston (KVR56U46BD8-32) x 2 (Stock 5600 not overclockable.) Kingston M.2 Drive (SFYRD/2000G) PSU MSI-MAG A750GL PCIE5 (Newer video cards than my rtx 3060 with the 14900 require more than 750W). FAN D15?? CASE Fractal Design Define R5 (Only one I could find wide enough for the D15 and has a slot for my BluRay drive.) Hope this helps in some way and the info I've come up with is accurate. Anyone, please correct anything I got wrong. It's been a very long time since I built a PC and a lot has changed that's why I'm taking my time piecing it together. I'd love to buy one off the shelf, but money just doesn't allow. This system with the case I'm looking at and the D15 fan is around $1300. No GPU. Prices keep changing. It was $1100, now it's around $1350. I don't think you could buy the system I'm building pre-built for that. I agree with liquid cooling if you are overclocking. I'm not convinced you need liquid if you are running stock speeds, based off the benchmarks I've seen.