Matthew Simon Fletcher

Good morning all,

Hope you're well!

I've currently got a lot of long midi clips that i'd like to reduce to smaller lengths so that I can organise them better into a library.
Is there any ability to automate this process within Cakewalk or does anyone know of other VST's/software that will achieve this goal?

The ideal method i'm looking for is to present the source file and then simple the size of the output in terms of bars.
Bonus points if I can do this as a batch activity over a number files!

I've looked into a few things so far, but haven't found an effective solution.

Best wishes,
Matthew

On 12/18/2020 at 6:28 PM, Charles Czerny said:

Matthew.... It sounds like you were able to tie the problem to a specific plugin? If so, which Waves plugin was that?

I've been unable to trace the problem to a specific plugin, and will also contact Waves Support to see if I need to get a modified version of all v12 plugins that I use.

 

The waves V12 stuff is usually bundled together into a master file so couldn't tell you which one it was specifically!
There was only a single file that was updated when they assisted me.

I was experiencing this crash with Waves V12.
I contacted their support and they provided me with an updated version of the plugin and that resolved the issues.

They certainly seem to be well aware of it Not sure when it will be made generally available.

Best wishes,
Matthew

On 10/2/2019 at 5:04 AM, Noel Borthwick said:

No it was actually a bug in the code setting up the playback state for the aux track (the patchpoint actually) that was leading to this bug. It would continue consuming memory until it dropped out. 
Your project had the patch point outputs in a different order than the default which shouldn't have been a problem, but it was confusing the code and preventing the patchpoint output from ever streaming. Deleting and undoing would restore it which is started working after that. 

In 09 (which is live now) the streaming code properly handles this case so no workaround is necessary. You should be able to load and play your project normally without dropouts.

PS: the new dropout diags in 09 flags this with error code 12, "Internal audio buffer memory limit overflow" should such a problem reoccur, making it much easier to highlight such problems.

Hi Noel,

Apologies if this isn't related but I'm currently experiencing issues with error code 12 within a project and also freezes leading to crashes.
Whilst this project predates the 09 version, I'm now running the latest version and have saved the project since - i'm wondering though whether there is something that is baked into the save.

I do have aux tracks in this which I have since removed and reinstated which I thought had fixed it but it then returned to doing this. The problem occurs on two different machines but seems to be more frequent on one, which I assume is related to the fact that this relates to increasing levels of memory consumption. This was the only thread I found relating to this particular code, so I assume it's quite an unusual and specific bug.

I've got a ticket open but we've not progressed past standard troubleshooting processes and i'm fairly sure there's something more significant at work.
As this is preventing me from working I would be most grateful if you would let me send you the link to the project and some dump files.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Just now, Nigel Mackay said:

And a big thumbs up if that happens. Cakewalk does get treated a bit shoddily sometimes. Undeservedly.

And it will happen that if someone asks about choosing which product to buy the would get the advice "Buy the BabylonWaves one, they have Cakewalk articulation maps."

My thoughts exactly! Always keen for more software companies to feature Cakewalk support prominantly, especially in situations like this where it's in everyone's best interests to do so.

I've already gone through the process of importing them all into Cakewalk so easy enough for me to zip them all up again (although might take a little longer to put them back in the file structure) and then he can sell them as he chooses.

Apologies though - i realise this is a slight tangent but the key thing is that the articulation feature is great and it was a particularly good move to support importing the Cubase format. So it's a natural follow on to discuss what that might entail. Can happily move this a different thread though.

Best wishes,
Matthew

2 minutes ago, Steve Harder said:

I am totally for open source sharing of community created efforts but I am wonder what Babylonwaves' terms of usage say?  They have put a lot of hard work into a product they sell.  

Hi Steve - yes to be clear I was talking about sharing them with him to enable him to sell them as another supported product.

Best wishes,
Matthew

59 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

You imported all these maps into a single project? If so send the project file so we can investigate whats slowing it down.
This is our first cut so I'm sure there are some improvements to be made. We can also consider importing folders rather than individual groups of files.

Hi Noel,

Apologies, to clarify I'm experiencing the performance issues if I load up the articulation map editor within a new project.

It hangs repeatedly and then a minute or so later it starts to work normally and i'm able to navigate and add maps as required. If I close and re-open then it will hang again for a period of time - I therefore assume it's trying to do some sort of pre-loading and struggling due to the number of maps, and then discards this once closed and has to rebuild.

Admitedly this is rare use case, although if it can be optimised that would be fantastic.

The ability to import folders would also be really useful to people who have a number of maps for different libraries.

Thanks again for your time and what is in general a great feature!

Best wishes,
Matthew

Hi Noel,

The company Babylon Waves do an all-in-one pack that is designed to cover any libraries purchased.

https://www.babylonwaves.com/expression-maps/

You're absolutely right - it's a lot of files and I certainly don't have all of those libraries.

The company provides them with a file hierarchy of "Company - Specific Product - Subgroup". I was going to import these in groups, but because you can't do multiple folders at a time it was taking awhile.

I therefore used an autohotkey script to remove the file hierarchy and hence tried to important all 11k of the files, and ran into the issue described.
I have now been successful in importing them all doing batches such as those with the letter A, B, etc etc.

I am now however experiencing slow performance navigating through the articulation editor - I guess a natural by-product of the large number of files loaded. Any performance improvements that could be made here would be great.

Ultimately f the importer could take into account all folders and files within a folder that would be the optimum way of bringing in all maps for libraries possessed and hence remove the need to bring in everything or spend ages grabbing the individual subfolders.

I did mention to the company that Cakewalk now supported maps and mentioned I could share the converted ones - so the developer may well appear here.

Best wishes,
Matthew
 

Thanks Mark - that makes sense, I thought it was strange you'd impose a limit.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Hi guys,

I've got a pack of expression maps for Cubase and am in the process of using the "import articulation maps" function.
Two observations:

This works for multiple files but not for multiple folders.
There seems to be a limit on the number of entries within a folder it can do - admitedly i'm trying to bring in several thousand, but i'd expect it to just keep going until it's done.

No error is returned, it just doesn't complete the task.

I'm trying to do these in batches, but i'm not sure what the limit is so it's quite time consuming.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Great work guys!

Thank you so much.

Really looking forward to using articulations and a few bug fixes there that will benefit me.
Will do some testing tomorrow.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Great news!
I've been experiencing issues relating to crashes with Vienna Pro/track templates, so I assume this is the same root cause.

Thanks for the investigation - I look forward to this being resolved.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Yes - not sure what the epected behaviour is here but I noticed that yesterday. I've got a number of Vienna Pro instances and i'm trying to reduce processing power by freezing - but it was a bit unfortunate and more time consuming that it was bouncing 16 tracks to audio each time.

Cakewalk team - anything that can be improved there?

Edit: Sorry - didn't quote the person above correctly and accidentally double posted

9 hours ago, Ali said:

"When I want to freeze a  single track out of a group of tracks assigned to a synth instrument, it freezes all the tracks assigned to that synth. Allow individual track freeze"

Yes - not sure what the epected behaviour is here but I noticed that yesterday. I've got a number of Vienna Pro instances and i'm trying to reduce processing power by freezing - but it was a bit unfortunate and more time consuming that it was bouncing 16 tracks to audio each time.

Cakewalk team - anything that can be improved there?

 

 

 

Hi guys!

Thanks as always for a great update.

With regards to the improvements to VST loading - how is it better to load the plugin and sample seperately?  e.g is this quicker/more stable or just better in that you can more clearly see where the load is up-to?

I'm getting a strange crash which happens if load a track template, make some changes, save these as a new track template and then close cakewalk. Would you like a the dump log? I believe this was happening before hand but just wanted to draw attention to it because it's strange... the track template update does save correctly and it seems weird to crash when attempting to close the program normally. Limited impact but potentially an indicator of something not quite right.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Hi all,

Hope you're well.

I've started encountering a bug whereby if I try and save track templates, Cakewalk will crash. If I then try and import these track templates it will give an error message about truncation.

It doesn't seem to make any difference whether i'm saving a single track or several - it will just take varying lengths of time before it closes.
The project template itself has a fair few buses and is approximately 250 tracks in total, but I don't think there's anything ridiculously complicated in it.

On an older version of my project I was able to save track templates of various sizes - so this appears to be a new bug or there is some sort of inherent corruption in the project file. Any idea how I can troubleshoot this further or should I just raise a support case directly with Bandlab?

Many thanks for your time.
Matthew

3 hours ago, scook said:

Virus scanner maybe?

I add scanner exclusions for the DAW processes and where the DAW writes its data.

 

Should already be configured mate
 

Hi guys,

Another bug - although might not be specific to this release.

When I save track templates I experience a significant spike in both CPU  and memory utilisation (~4GB) and the save can take up-to a minute, locking up the PC.

Whilst the projects that i'm running are large - the individual tracks may only be a single audio track routed to a few busses and so shouldn't be that intensive.

I've seen the Kontakt module come up whilst doing this which leads me to believe that it's trying to preemptively save the VST's, which aren't related to the actual track.  It also is worsened within projects with a larger number of VST's.

Loading these tracks into a different project is quick and doesn't bring in anything it shouldn't.

Best wishes,
Matthew

23 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

@foldawayAh I see what you are saying. I'll look into the feasibility of this.

Improving the multi-process loading of VST's during opening would deliver huge value to me also - so really supportive and grateful for any efforts in this area!

On 4/13/2020 at 7:47 PM, Noel Borthwick said:

Its not expected. Something is likely consuming more memory than it should. Did you try removing some plugins and retesting it? Also make sure that you are not using scheduling model 3 since its still under development and there are some memory leaks.

Hi Noel,

Thanks for your comments.

When I get some time i'll do some further testing for you and provide more detailed feedback.
I was testing the model 3 scheduling at one point but I believe I swapped back  as it wasn't performing quite as well - will double check.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Thank you for listening! I am very glad that you enjoyed it.

Yes the bonus track is very different from the rest of the EP - so hopefully you'll get your metal fix of 8 string guitars and double kick from the others - particularly Divergence and Warring Elements
 

Any other feedback on the tracks and production is gratefully appreciated.

At the moment i'm learning to mix and master myself and we're going a lot heavier on the VST's as opposed to performed keys parts. We've got track plans for an album but it might take awhile given current pandemic.

Best wishes,
Matthew
 

Hi guys! 

I wanted to take the time to introduce you to my musical project Disconnected Souls which i'm really proud of.

Our goal is to blend metal, electronic and classical influences to achieve something eclectic whilst still remaining catchy and of interest to people.
Cakewalk has been a fantastic tool to help bring these ideas to life.

Our Debut EP is available at the following locations and has been getting some great reviews - we hope you enjoy and please let me know if you have feedback.

 
Bandcamp

Facebook

Spotify

Reverb Nation

Youtube

Instagram
 

All the best!
~Fletch~

On 4/12/2020 at 12:23 PM, msmcleod said:

The BitBridge processes may be the thing that is causing the hang - if you remove those plugins does the program exit normally?

If you do need to use 32 bit plugins, consider using JBridge rather than BitBridge. I've personally found this to be far more stable.

Thanks very much for the feedback mate.

Upon your advice I've swapped over to JBridge - although it took a little while to cross reference 32 bit plugins and change them to load.
It definitely feels like this has had a positive impact - Cakewalk now shows a consistent decrease in memory utilisation and gradually jbridge instances are closed. I'd say it now takes a minute to remove itself from task manager.

Is there any difference in latency and resource utilisation (CPU/Memory) between these in your experience?
I noticed that Cakewalk was up-to 25GB of RAM usage whilst closing! Although I do have some pretty big projects - 200 tracks with 4 instances of superior drummer and a few other VST's. I don't recall it previously getting quite that high although i've certainly gone up to 16GB.

Would you say this is expected behaviour given project size and resource usage?


Best wishes,
Matthew

Fantastic update guys - thank you so much again for all you do for this product!

In the patch notes it talks about resolution of a hang on project close - I'm still experiencing this though.
Admitedly a large project but it's strange to see this remaining in task manager for 2-3mins or so after close - with the same high level of memory utilisastion.

There are two bitbridge processes that also remain open so I wonder if something there isn't terminating? - I can end these but the cakewalk process will say I don't have permission. If I attempt to end this a few times it will eventually do so and then let me open up a new project.

Best wishes,
Matthew

Good afternoon all,

Hope you're well.

Are there any programs to allow for distributed loading/streaming of plugins for Cakewalk?

I have some large projects files and i'm beginning to reach the limits with my laptop and so I'd like to offload some of the processing requirements to another computer.
I've investigated FX Teleport but this looks quite old now so wondering whether there's a more modern and affective way of achieving this. I've also found DAW Connect but this appears to be focussed more on cloud-services and relies on integration with plugin providers as opposed to being a local user solution.

Thanks guys,
Matthew