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I have these and don't use them.  It seems I'm not alone in that regard.

It's their new stuff that's better.   I have their drum synth.

Considering it's AIR,  those prices are overpriced for their reputation. 

I think the real update is the updates no longer put 30 icons on the desktop

It's become really bloated and the library structure is not like Kontakt.

I don't think there's a simple way to delete what you don't use.

SampleTank Max is almost as large as my Komplete and Kontakt libraries combined.

One of these days I should do a ST only project.

1 hour ago, dubdisciple said:

I used to think that until I saw a guy making high level classical music on it.  Granted, I think it is still inferior to Cubase in that regard, but each version adds more functionality.  I respectfully disagree about it being a loop and sample music maker's DAW.  I think it's more of a drum sequencer and piano roll composer's DAW. FL is very popular in pop music in multiple genres that rely far more on sequencing than sampling. It is the DAW for trap and drill and hybrid pop like k-pop or  Arianah Grande/Justin Bieber type composition.  I think Ableton is superior for sample based production. I think certain genres have made lo-fi methods that oddly enough emulate sample loops sound so degraded that they get mistaken as such. When I think of genres that still heavily sample (90s style boombap or retro sounding acts like Griselda) I find more MPC hardware,  Maschine, Ableton and retro gear ( Kanye uses mostly hardware) with some FL.

FL foes deeper than most people think.  It does cater more to dance genres.  I'm impressed with people who use it for orchestra. 

That Waves Platinum will work just fine it.

Back on topic - this is a really good deal.

16 minutes ago, MusicMan said:

If that's true that's a really shady thing to do.. I don't use FL, but always thought that was a really cool benefit.

I'd find it hard to believe unless FL Loops was the basic sequencer.  If you bought a boxed version of any FL product you paid $29 for LT updates.

Funny that we are on a DAW forum where some of us forked out $199 that is now freeware.

20 hours ago, Lionel said:

Ever since I first started getting into music production/mixing(a la the days of Digidesign Digi 001), Waves software has always been around.  I remember wanting to get the Waves Gold bundle(the Holy Grail of plugins at the time, hah), but it went for some ridiculous price.  WUP sucks, we can all agree on that.  But it's most likely what's keeping them afloat and able to have longevity in this industry(not to mention, keeping their plugins current).  Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've never stopped supporting any of their plugins, right? (Similar to how Izotope and NI recently put some of their VSTs out to pasture)

I wish all plugin companies could have the same licensing and free updates for life like Melda.  But Waves makes some seriously top shelf plugins that's just too good to pass.  Hopefully the competition will eventually give Waves a run for their money, and it forces Waves to do away with WUP once and for all.  A guy can dream, right? 😁

Competitors had to enter the $29 market.

23 minutes ago, Max Arwood said:

Izotope and Melda do not have $29 plugins lol! On Waves, you don't have to wait  till Black Friday $29 is an always on sale price. Bundles are great on Black Friday and now like now on platinum. IK is great on group buys. Izotope is good in black friday! $99 is a bargain. I paid $1500 for Waves Gold many years ago.

 

Every week that select plugins to discount.

15 minutes ago, Max Arwood said:

I'm paranoid about image line!  I bought Fruity loops lifetime.  So, they went and changed the name of the product to FL Studio. Same product, but no updates for my lifetime product because it is a "NEW" product. Very unethical move.

Don't know what you are talking about.  

On 11/7/2022 at 6:20 PM, Lionel said:

Lots of loops, loops, loops

I have plenty of them from this developer.   The value is they have midi files,

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=229

This tells you all you need to know about the licensed version.

10 hours ago, Spice3d said:

Seems BFD was acquired by inMusic Brands a couple years ago. Maybe a v4 is around the corner. Also, I wonder if FXpansion will give Geist more development. Feels like it has been all but abandoned. 

 

I call that a contradiction.

The authorization is also glitchy.

I will probably delete it off my system if space is ever needed.  With AD2, ESD2, Komplete and of course that whopping M Drummer I think don't think I need it.  I bought it when it was $49.

2 hours ago, Lionel said:

Ever since I first started getting into music production/mixing(a la the days of Digidesign Digi 001), Waves software has always been around.  I remember wanting to get the Waves Gold bundle(the Holy Grail of plugins at the time, hah), but it went for some ridiculous price.  WUP sucks, we can all agree on that.  But it's most likely what's keeping them afloat and able to have longevity in this industry(not to mention, keeping their plugins current).  Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've never stopped supporting any of their plugins, right? (Similar to how Izotope and NI recently put some of their VSTs out to pasture)

I wish all plugin companies could have the same licensing and free updates for life like Melda.  But Waves makes some seriously top shelf plugins that's just too good to pass.  Hopefully the competition will eventually give Waves a run for their money, and it forces Waves to do away with WUP once and for all.  A guy can dream, right? 😁

I doubt that.   They have a reputation of being quality.  Their Renn stuff is some of the best.  There's plenty out their that don't have a UP. They survive. See Image Line with lifetime updates.  

Their licensing sucks.  See IK, Izotope, and Melda.  Their licensing doesn't suck.   That's the only drawback. 

Simple answer - No,

Eggs that cost less than $4 for 18.  If only food prices would reflect that so called 8% inflation.

What a F'd up thread this turned out to be.  After 2 posts how did it (d)evolve.

That is a really good deal.  Too bad their licensing sucks.

On 11/4/2022 at 7:17 AM, Fwrend said:

Agree that iZotope Loyalty structure is a complete mess and so beneath iZotope as a company.

On the bright side I added MP5 Upgrade to my cart from the OP link for $149 but then left the page.  After a couple of hours I received a "special offer" for another 5% off via email making it $141.55.  I love my wife and being married, otherwise I would be all over this!!

That's why I don't bother with them anymore until an irresistible deal comes along.  Their older products still work.

20 hours ago, antler said:

To be fair, nobody needs to buy annual upgrades if the cost doesn't justify the added benefits - that's the point of perpetual licences.

No but look at the amount of updates instead of calling it a new version.

 I wish these companies would allow you to go into your account and download the exe. files.

90% of the time any NI update is a fail and retry.  That why they have that uninstaller utility which is a rebranded Window Installer Cleanup.

Amazed at the amount of code they write in the registry.

Some VSTs  like Massive if you delete the 32bit they want you to put it back in and you can get the latest update.

6 minutes ago, abacab said:

FYI, they were related to the Zebra topic, and may be of interest to Zebra fans seeking info before they purchase it. It is not easy to always stay on topic, but best to not go completely sideways into a new unrelated discussion. Cheers!

I think you have to own it to be a fan.

Nope, following tradition.  Give up now.

To get to the full MXXX you buy Melda one piece at a time.  I like their loyalty.

On 11/5/2022 at 11:20 AM, InstrEd said:

More the synths the merrier

I do admire folks that can create all these creations using only one or two synths!

Then you start adding presets to the madness. 

For Trance one only needs Spire or Sylenth, and I see Serum being used more.

At some point I have to wonder spending 4 hours on a Groove3 tutorial is worth my time since I have a limited time on Earth and enough synths for at least 2 lifetimes,

BTW wasn't there a much better deal when NI had these Uhe synths on sale?