Will.

24 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

This is due to the position of the nodes relative to the boundaries of the lane.  By default, the value is always shown above the node - unless there's not enough room, in which case it'll show it below.

Also, not all values are shown if it would cause them to draw on top of each other. 

The solution to both issues is either to zoom in, or turn off showing values.

Stupid Question: Can this be bind as a shortcut? I'm lazy to grab the laptop to check for this, because I missed a lot of the RWC23 in France so now im trying catch up on some highlights. ?

1 hour ago, satchmo-x said:

This is happening on all newer projects (I think with ProChannel) every time a project is open since the day I got Cakewalk running on this computer. So, 6-7 months of consistent, repeatable behavior of nearly 20 second project open times on a CPU that is in theory 5 times more powerful than my system that didn't do this.

You might have a faulty disk. My issues where my projects load long was always with a plugin. I had since deleted that effect permanently. 

You can test this by pressing the bypass shortcut for effects with the lettet "E" on your keyboard, save the project and reopen it in that state with all your effect bypassed. 

If it is a favorite synth: make a copy of the project and just replace the  the synth with any other one save that project and reopen it again until you find the culprit. 

We've all had this issue before. I certainly have at least twice. 

True. I think Mark will be up any moment now. 

They are back! ?

The stock gate plugin that comes with CbB works great. Its my go to gate plugin. I could use othere, but why when the one built-in works just as great as the others. 

6 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

In that case I would HIGHLY recommend recording "dry". Just leave enough headroom so you don't clip on the way in.

Aim for peaks somewhere in the -6dB to -12dB range.

Just remember you do get ghost peaks as well and It wont be audible until you do your processing. Even when recording at levels of -18dB you get ghost peaks that hangs around at -3dB or -6dB. Its the flaw of the digital age, Your levels might look spot on with the Daws meters, but within the plugin it will show something different. 

4 hours ago, hsmusic said:

Actually it's the speed.

Vroom-Vroom. ?

1 minute ago, Pathfinder said:

OK so, as statedt he vocal sounds OK, better than when we started. BUT, I thought it was because of the printed track. But when I MUTE the printed track there is no difference at all in what I a hearing. But when I look at the de-esser and compressor in that track they are reacting to the vocal. If I solo the printed track it is LOW and LIFELESS? 

Guess I didn't learn as much as I thought I did. Maybe I'll stick to the end production compression and all.

? Practice is key here. Thats why we use EQ to bring it back to life. Dont compress at this stage - only tame when printing it. 

Make sure all your Pro Channel effects are off. Mine is totally disabled - meaning the module has been removed. 

9 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Ok dumb question-Do you mean on the way in or in he FX bin after? As far as sounding better. Feel like an idiot!

Dont sweat it. No I mean after you have recorded the vocal with the tamed effect on. 

You first record the wet vocal where you tamed the peaks and harsh SUBTLE is key here. Aim for a gain reduction between 0.0db and -0.5dB of compression and print that to the actual vocal. You dont want to squash the vocal going in. 

Then, do the actual compression to get the vocal to sit right in the mix with additional compression IF needed. 

3 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

The vocal, just an old ballad sounds so much better to me since this thread started. It's nice when you get what you wish for. Thanks so much folks. 
I have many plugins but, for waves CLA Vocals and a touch of Breverb 2 or reveberatex64 sound fine to me. I am using the Izoptope stuff for the "printed FX track.
This is a good Sunday. Of course I am not done learning and using what's in this thread alone.

Thanks again

? It will sound even better when you do the actual compression to it. ? 

3 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Thanks. I am copying the thread comments into a word doc.  School is fun and needed  ? I don't use AutoTune. Not to sound like a jerk but I am a very good singer-. I am sure I waiver here and there, but I want that. weird I guess. Been the lead singe in every band, trio and duo I have been in and also about 30 years of solo, me and an acoustic.

All good. ?

Recopy my previous comment. I have edit and added some information to it. 

34 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Wouldn't recording an ADDITIONAL vocal track and trying Wills suggestion still leave me with a dry vocal recording (no FX printed). This is  a question.

I us very few tracks since everything but My vocal and my guitar are live, everything else VSTs Only 3 of them)

Yes it will. You will have both Dry and wet Vocals. Just make sure to Arm both. 

I normally dont need the Dry vocals when i do it. I tweak my effects while the artist do test runs. The  trick is to create extra headroom with the compressor while uou let autotune run in the background on the arm track. So what you get is a partially tamed vocal. The goal is to only tame the peaks of the singer. Ydont want to compress here. Just tame those harsh frequencies with a Deesser or EQ and tame the peaks with a vocal compressor. I normally target for anything between 0.0dB to -0.5dB gain reduction. 

32 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

Hope the title makes sense. I have never tried using plugs (like compression\EQ etc on the way IN of the vocal recording. Just old habits, not good habits. Always recorded clean and then added FX etc later.
I imagine outboard compressor etc would be best but I have to use what I have=zillions o plugins Mostly waves and Izotope. Now vocals always come out OK after processing but I know they could be much better. Vocal mic options I have are CM5 large Dia Condenser mic, Shure SM58beta and a few lesser ones.

IAH, I want to leave a nice recorded cd for my family and friends. Better late than never. I was always too busy (my excuse for not learning more over 30 years with CW) playing out in bands etc.
EDIT: I use midi and VSTS for Drums, Keys and bass-THey always sound fine. My guitar also sounds fine. My recorded vocals are, well-HELP!

Thanks

Yep there is. I record my artists or snares with effect to tame the peaks. 

Step 1: Create your recording track. 

Step 2: Add your desired effects and tweak them to taste. 

Step 3: Add an extra Audio Track>Go to the newly created tracks Input and create a NEW PATCH POINT. 

Step 4: Go to your recorded track and sent that to the New Patch Point. 

Step: 5 Arm Patch track and start recording. 

Velocity indicates how hard the key was struck when the note was played, which usually corresponds to the note's loudness. 

In the console view highlight the tracks you want to adjust the volume to. Hold down Ctrl and move a slider on one of the highlighted tracks. 

30 minutes ago, BigT1 said:

I like the  visual so far.  I had to read the manual to understand how plugins get inserted.   Once I knew what to look for and where to click I was in business.

The vibe for the track workflow is similar to Ableton with everything in-line at the bottom of the screen and track controls at the left instead of the right.  The initial plugin window (before expanding) looks OK with some of the plugins that i tried.  The initial window shows a handful of parameters.  This might be ok if the user is allowed to change the parameters to suit their own workflow.

On an instrument track, I tried adding KONTAKT 7 and loading up session strings pro.  The initial parameters look like a mess.  These parameter have numbers for names that mean nothing at the moment.  Opening / expanding the edit window is the only way that I can see to work with that type of instrument, so far, and I'm ok with that.

Had to read the manual on how to stretch a clip.  I spent time trying to figure out how to "STRETCH ENABLE" a clip.  The manual shows an icon in lower right corner of clip, if the clip is "STRETCH ENABLED."   After a few minutes of messing around,  I tried to just control drag like the manual stated and it just worked.  The stretch enable icon was not there before nor did it show up after the stretch.

Splits, fades worked.

I can't wait to try this on my main music system which is a mac.

This test is on a windows machine test.

Things I would like:

 

    Scroll playhead left or right by keyboard command. (I use this when writing midi passages.)  I use this probably more than looping.

 

    Zoom    (Manual says: Go to View > Zoom In or View > Zoom Out.)  When I went to VIEW... I didn't see ZOOM.   Also - manual says :  Press ALT+LEFT/RIGHT (Windows) / CMD+LEFT/RIGHT (Mac).   This did not work.

Alt + LEFT/RIGHT arrows moved the track selection up and down.  I was able to get horizontal zoom working with CTL+LEFT/RIGHT arrows....

 

    I would like to see a Warp / Transient marker for when I'm stretching audio clips for ease of aligning similar clips.

My workflow is
1. Track,
2. Make certain each track sounds the way that I want it.
3. Export all individual tracks.
4. Import tracks to new project.
5. Mix for balance.
6. Master.

This program could potentially take care of steps 1 through 3.  AND I could see myself putting this to use in this context alone and being happy with it as it's own creation tool.

I don't like mixing in Ableton, and I don't think I would like this NEXT too much for mixing.  I'll play with it some more.  I was really hoping this would be able to open my old Cakewalk projects on a Mac.  I'll try this when I get home.  I like having a vertical mixer where I can jump left and right to tracks to eq, pan, send for FX and balance my mix.  I know a lot of people like to mix as they go... I don't.

You might want to copy and paste your feedback on the discord platform in the link given above by Noel. 

Where can we give proper feedback on next? 

Next is out and in BETA mode and for the past 24hrs I have been testing and creating some tracks. So far i am liking the look and feel. What i am most impressed with it, is the fact that it handles live performances ten times better than CbB. I was jamming with it, did some DJ work with it and for two hours straight it held its own on major projects. That is a huge positive side to it - really impressed!

It took me 5mins to figure out its workflow. 

I love the new Sampler and Xsampler features. Great new stock plugins. Everything is so straight forward, but there are some downsides,drawbacks,cons (what ever you want to call it) to some features that can be improved. Such as the Track Pane that is not Scalable. It crops the window/pane instead of resizing the plugins and effects on it to smaller. The height is perfect though. Also theirs NO console? Perhaps I have missed this one, but I couldnt find it. Arranger Pane is there for those who use it. 

I wont use it as a main DAW though, but for mobility use like writting demos or features when collaborating while travelling - for sure! For now i am still testing it out looking for features that might have a different names and taps. 

Heres what i can tell you upfront! Its gona pick up popularity with the EDM community! I already have gotten one other producer to try it out. 

On 9/22/2023 at 7:12 PM, Thomas Happ said:

As said in the title, my Motu 4x4 (or at least its drivers) keeps crashing.  Basically it'll get an "Audio Engine Dropout" and then all sound stops working across the computer.   Buffer size doesn't matter.  Sometimes it will start working on its own again after a few minutes, other times I need to turn the interface off and on, other times I need to reboot the computer. I can trigger it most easily by loading  up Rob Papen's Punch 2 and switching between kits with lots of samples, but it happens randomly at times as well, and I can't leave cakewalk open overnight or it will happen then.

While it may be at least partially a Cakewalk issue as well as a Motu issue, I feel that an interface should be reliable enough not to get crashed by a DAW.

Does anyone have recommendations for similar interfaces that are good but more reliable?  I'd prefer not to have to get an RME since I feel like it is way more than I should spend, but I do want something that won't crash all the time.

I'm on CBB version 2023.09 build 062, Windows 11, i9-12900K   3.19 GHz, 32 gb ram.

EDIT:  It appears the problem is reduced but not completely solved by plugging the M4 into a USB 2.0 rather than a USB 3.0 port.

 

Its not the interface. Test it on a windows 10 pc. There could be some compatibility issues with OS11 and Motu Drivers | or try a 3.0 Bus Port. 

11 minutes ago, norfolkmastering said:

Is there any way to set the Cakewalk default so that when you create a track send it defaults to pre fader rather than post fader?

Create a template with your desired settings and features. 

On 9/18/2023 at 9:24 PM, RexRed said:

Cakewalk will play correctly but the graphics vertical play line will hitch and stutter across the timeline.

I too experience this every now and then and i dont even have a graphics card installed. I run on the onboard graphics of an MSI MPG B550 board. 

4 minutes ago, InstrEd said:

  Hopefully the new features will make us all want to pony up \\

No-no-no! Pony must stay down. ?

26 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Of course, it could easily be both, but no doubt some will still find something to whinge about

Your words are not even cold yet. ? 

On 9/18/2023 at 12:21 AM, JohnnyV said:

 After and forever

I'm pitching this to Spielberg or Michael Bay. ? This sounds like a movie title.

ET: After and Forever ?

Transformers: After and Forever. ? Sounds more like a love story of the robots. 

I cant anymore! Oh! My poor stomach! ?? 

Is this the end for Cakewalk by Bandlab? What new adventures lies ahead for Sonar and Next? Its a love and hate user entanglement! Stay tuned for CbB: The After and Forever movie. ?? Out in cinemas worldwide. 

Let me go make some coffee! ?