David Baay

What does "won't load" mean? Is there an error? Possibly VB-Audio overwrote the MS VC++ Redistributable with something that's incompatible with CbB.

4 hours ago, Emanu3le85 said:

I wonder if the Prochannel is really a channel strip or if it is an insert,

In DAW world there is no meaningful difference between a Strip FX and an Insert FX they are both "in line"  such that everything at the track input is forced to go through them (notwithstanding that some module might have a parallel path built into it).  The Prochannel is effectively just a second FX bin that can be placed before or after the track FX bin, just as a 3rd-party channel strip plugin can be placed before or after other plugins in the FX bin.  And then there's the Clip FX rack which gives you a place to put a plugin ahead of everything once the live input's been recorded.

In some sense it's a moot question because by the time any plugin anywhere in the DAW sees the signal it's already been amplified to line level before it was digitized whether by the mic pre built in to the interface or by an external mic pre into the interface's line in or by the amp in a hardware instrument that outputs line level.

28 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

a well dressed lie

That's totally uncalled for, and the exact opposite of "please don’t read too much into this". I trust you'll be back here with your half-eaten hat in hand if and when it turns out there is in fact a perpetual license option...?

You haven't seen any of my 3000 posts about using Set Measure/Beat At Now to match MIDI/Audio tempos? ;^)   It's way more precise.

As noted in the older thread you bumped, if you want to change the project tempo and have the audio follow the change, you can enable Follow Project in the Audiosnap section of the Clip Properties tab in the Track Inspector. You'll probably want to set the Follow Option to Autostretch first to have it stretch uniformly without regard to where transients are.

Or you can Slip-stretch the clip by holding Ctrl+Shift and dragging the clip start/end to have it play slower/faster without changing the project tempo. This will also enable Audiosnap and you can see and adjust the Stretch Amount (percentage) in Clip Properties and change the algorithm that's used to render the stretching.

Hold Ctrl+Shift and hover over the clip start/end to get the Slip-Stretching tool.

You can lasso clips in lanes (or select an entire track)and execute Bounce to Clip(s) (from the Clips menu in the Track View or the clip context menu  to combine them, and then delete the empty take lane. CbB keeps recorded takes separate by default and does not have the oft-requested option to automatically merge new input into an existing clip while recording. You can always split clips within a lane or selectively cut/paste/drag some notes to a different lane after the fact to facilitate arranging.

The Project menu was introduced with Skylight in X1. Not sure why exactly except possibly just to keep the Insert menu from getting overloaded.  All the "Insert items" in the Project menu are related to the timeline where the Insert menu is more about adding content. Works for me.

Thanks, Mark. With that in mind I'm giving it a whirl on my I7 11800H laptop with Win11. It certainly didn't bring Sonar to its knees like it did on the older machine, but I did get one late buffer (heard the pop) about 30 seconds into a very light project that was hardly moving the performance meter. Will run with it for a while and see how it goes with different projects.

On 5/4/2023 at 11:36 PM, Tom B said:

Changing the "ThreadSchedulingModel = 3" fixed the issues.

I realize this comment is a year old, but for the benefit of anyone stumbling on this now that it's been bumped, ThreadSchedulingModel = 3 is an experimental "aggressive" thread- scheduling model that I think has been proven to be statistically more likely to cause glitches than to resolve them for most users. SONAR became severely disfunctional on my i7 6700k desktop machine when I tried this non-default setting when it was first introduced. Others reported similar problems, and I know of few who have benefitted long-term. Feel free to try it, but keep an eye out for issues that may not manifest immediately or in all projects, and don't forget that you did it as many did at the time, claiming they hadn't changed anything and that problems were due to the update itself. The default ThreadSchedulingModel = 2 is best for the majority of machines.

You can use the Arranger (see the Ref. Guide), but if it's going to be the primary version of the song, I would do it the old-fashioned way:

0. Save the project as it is now.

1. Enable Ripple All in the upper right corner of the Track View next to the Auto-Crossfade setting. Ripple All ensures everything in the project (all tracks, tempos, track/bus automation, etc) are moved/copied/pasted/deleted when you move/copy/paste/insert/delete even a small part of one track.

2. Set the Now time to the place where the repeats will start, and Project > Insert Time/Measures.

3. Insert the number of Measure needed to acommodate the three repeats.

4. Select in the timeline or a maybe a clip in some track that conveniently emcompasses the full length of the chorus.

5.  Ctrl+C to copy, and then Ctrl+Alt+V to Paste Special with 3 repeats.

6. Add volume automation to the Master bus, with a nodes at 0dB where the fade starts and -Inf where it will end, and choose an the desired curve. I usually like Fast Out over about the last 8-16 measures, depending on the tempo and song structure.

6. Save As the new version with a suffix added to the name like " - Added Chorus Repeats and Fade Out".

No, MIDI content is saved directly in the project and can be lost if too many levels of Undo are accumulated between saves, or if you save after it's deleted without changing the project name. This is one of many reasons to use Save As with a suffix added to the name after major edits (like deleting a track that's not empty) so you have backups of earlier versions. You might also consider increasing the number of levels of Undo.

I'm guessing you need to right-click the resolution and uncheck Smart Grid. Smart Grid auto-adjusts the resolution based on the timeline zoom level.

16 hours ago, Cobus Prinsloo said:

the use of controllers is a very cumbersome process. Why is it so hard to get rid of them?

You can swipe in the Controller Pane with the Erase Tool or right-click and drag to lasso and hit the Delete key. The Erase tool doesn't care where you drag in the controller pane vertically, but Lasso requires 'capturing' the top of the controller 'tail'. For controllers with values of 0 or 127 (e.g. Pedal Up/Down), this is most easily accomplished by dragging outward from the center of the lane up to the top or down to the bottom. To get both, drag one way first, then hold Ctrl and drag the other way to add the selection.

Like Promidi, I'm a big fan of Select By Filter, but some people really prefer doing everything graphically with the mouse.

To get a project to open in Safe mode you should have CbB already open. and then hold Shift while double-clicking the project file in Windows Explorer. If CbB isn't already open, the Shift is intercepted by the application launch process and causes it to 're-personalize'.

The Bitbridge error is going to be due to some 32-bit plugin in the project that needs to be stopped from loading in Safe mode.

The crash dialog and/or dump text identified Session Drummer as the faulting module, explicitly? I have never seen that, and I've run quite a few old projects in Sonar that used it.

I agree Bandab should provide a  method to upload large dump files directly, but I don't get too aggro about having to use my own share (OneDrive).

The motion of the Now cursor in the Track View has been recently improved in Sonar. The PRV Now cursor does not seem to have benefitted, but I don't think it's any worse than either of them were in CbB, just more noticeable compared to the new Track View cursor.

2 hours ago, jack c. said:

i 'm still working on project in x1 with kontakt .i have  an instrument on my windows 10 in the house i want to use midi data from x1  to sound that instrument in bandlab cakewalk kontakt then export new sound and bring it into x1 project.

Not sure why this isn't working or what the error is, but why don't you just open the X1 project in CbB and finish it there? Even if you really want to stay in X1 for some reason, you can transfer it back after freezing the track in CbB. X1 will warn that the project is from a newer release, but shouldn't have any problem opening and re-saving it.

I installed the trial and did a quick test using a project I developed to measure PDC. The test is sample-accurate and measured 9,984 samples (208 milliseconds at 48kHz) of delay. I didn't see any option to lower it by reducing the quality/precision of the processing, and no mention in the documentation of a delay. For good measure, I tried playing my RD-700NX through an input-monitored track with PDC Bypass disabled and the delay was horrendous and unplayable as expected. Notwithstanding that the web page claims "Real-time Processing", this plugin is only suited for post-processing of previously recorded audio at the mixing stage.

I was incidentally comparing Youlean and Sonar's numeric peaks recently and was actually surprised to see them reading identically because I'm pretty sure CW meters are not "true peak" (i.e. processing the samples as though converting to analog to find intersample peaks rather than just reporting the raw sample level). It's more likely the material I was metering just didn't have significant intersample peaks. I suspect calculating true peak on every track in a big project might add significant CPU load and would not be worth the overhead - maybe useful if it could just be selectively enabled on the Master bus which would usually be the only place it matters. 

In any case, I agree 1dB is a lot, and would make me suspect there might be some additional gain somewhere. Youlean is in the FX bin so any make-up gain, volume automation or post-FX Prochannel plugins could alter the track peak after Youlean sees it.

13 minutes ago, Mark Shackelford said:

It was as simple as panning left or right on a mixing board.

If the input to the external mixer is to separate mono channels, make sure they're panned hard left and right.

55 minutes ago, jack c. said:

sonar x1 i   hi-lited all midi info and saved as

Did you change file Type to MIDI in the Save As dialog? Type 'Normal' is a Cakewalk project file with a CWP extension that other apps won't recognize.

In my view you can't go wrong using the free CbB until it will no longer activate because it's been fully superceded by Sonar. There should be plenty of warning about that to give you time to decide whether to subscribe to Bandlab, buy Sonar outright (if that ends up being an option) or port the (presumably  few) projects you will have created in the mean time over to a different DAW. I'll also wager that even when activation is discontinued, you'll still be able to launch CbB and open projects to extract/export audio and MIDI, save plugin presets, etc. for some time to come; you just won't be able to save changes to the project file as is currently the case when not activated.

CbB and Sonar have a good complement of VST FX already included, and I'm sure the bundled synth content will grow over time as the product is re-monitized. But, as has been suggested, few users restrict themselves to bundled VSTs for long, and that shouldn't be a major consideration in my view, given the vast number of free and inexpensive options available. The most important thing is that the DAW has a workflow that fits your compositional style and feels intuitive and inspiring.

8 hours ago, Terry Kelley said:

Remember OS/2

Now there's a blast from the past... I had totally forgotten about that interlude.

A quick Google says EastWest instruments do not respond to CC7 by default (although I'm guessing it can be MIDI Learned). It uses CC11 Expression or possibly CC1 in some cases.