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3 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

I hope they don't expect me to "Always" be up to date with Microsoft Windows updates.... cause the latest updates have caused massive problems with other computers.  Currently the latest update does this "Windows 10 KB5017308 causing issues with Group Policy settings".  Why would I want to install bugs?

EDIT: I'll be up to date, only after the Windows update doesn't have any issues for 90 days.

You are probably OK to skip the latest Windows updates, but do be thorough about updating the Windows Redistributables. The redistributables always contains code that Windows applications (and plugins) are dependent on to run correctly. I have heard of other problems being fixed by updating them. That can't hurt in any case.

And a clean refresh of Waves can't hurt either, but may very well help. I have also heard that this fixed other plugin issues with Waves that some have had.

I would focus on those two things, and see how it goes!

This suggestion from Waves support makes sense! Verify that Windows has everything up to date, and then clean re-install your Waves environment.

See how that goes...

51 minutes ago, stony said:

I may be wrong, but AFAIK the Free U-He Plugin is just available, if you upgrade to Bitwig STUDIO. - The big toy...

Aha! OK, I saw this and assumed the free plugin was for any version, apparently that's just for the 25% off deal:

"From September 22nd until September 29th, existing u-he customers can claim a 25% discount coupon applicable to Bitwig Studio, Bitwig Studio EDU, Upgrade From 16-Track, and Upgrade From 8-Track."

Don't really need another DAW... so nevermind the BIG toy, LOL!!!

I've got Bitwig 8-Track. The 2 VST limit is a bit annoying...

Was thinking about upgrading it to 16-Track, and getting u-he Bazille for free (normally 129 €). Already have Bazille CM, and quite like it!

With the u-he/Bitwig 25% discount, it looks like that upgrade to 16-Track  would be $75. Not a bad price for Bazille, with a less crippled version of Bitwig tossed in!

It is my opinion in general that plug-in makers need to test their plug-ins in all DAWs. Cakewalk is sometimes overlooked... ?

So it follows that logic that it's not the responsibility of the DAW maker to adjust to the shortcomings of a plug-in maker. Let Waves hear about it!

26 minutes ago, Christian Jones said:

What about Cakewalk Bandlab's strategy? What money's even being made there? Different thread/topic I know but I don't even know what their strategy is to keep this daw around

If you go back and read Meng's (BandLab CEO) posts in the old forum, he wanted to give the BandLab web community a full desktop DAW to "graduate" to. That is why he was happy to buy the Cakewalk IP off of Gibson's hands, and he committed to this community that the Cakewalk DAW would always be free.

He is a musician himself, and heads up a large Asian music conglomerate that includes BandLab, Cakewalk by BandLab, Guitar.com, Harmony Company, Heritage Guitars, lab.fm, MONO, MusicTech, NME, Swee Lee, Teisco, The Guitar Magazine, Uncut. So CbB is sort of a sideline that he invested in for his other 50 million users...

BandLab Technologies is now Caldecott Music Group. https://caldecottmusic.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BandLab_Technologies

Business model: "BandLab Technologies doesn't charge for its software or digital musical content, but instead focuses on retail, manufacturing and media advertising sales."

https://www.bandlab.com/

17 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

I can definitely understand wanting to find a new tool, but QUICK in that kind of situation.

Not a Sonar user at that point, but when I read the bad news I had a "great disturbance in the Force" moment of empathy with the userbase. You know how much I participate here (including upstairs), a DAW isn't just the program, it comes with a community of users, a history, a culture.

That was Ed? Beyondcakewalk.com? I just tried going there and I guess he finally let the domain registration lapse.

Yes that was Ed/Bapu. And he finally shut that domain down after Cakewalk by BandLab looked like it was going to survive, thrive, and get a shiny new forum!

Good luck! ?

Just now, Peter Woods said:

Don't take it that way. It's just business strategy 101 talk. I like XLN. I want them to succeed.  I'm just stating some very basic things about business strategy and branding. It's part of my professional background, so I naturally think about this stuff when looking at the situation. The outlook for XLN doesn't look promising basing on the long term inactivity with regard to new releases.  AD2 came out like decade ago, right? That's an incredibly long time for one of their flagship products to go without a major update. 

You are the marketing expert. My background is 30+ years in IT.

Agree to disagree, OK?

Ride around and eat ice cream?

5 minutes ago, RSMcGuitar said:

I got it today. I'm not in the beta program.

So you are a seeker on the bleeding edge?

1 minute ago, Peter Woods said:

I won't belabor my point, but XLN is a well established player in a very healthy and growing market (I just read an analysis on the market several weeks ago and it's doing very well) . A cash cow strategy in software in a growing market doesn't make a lot of sense if you plan on keeping a company around; by definition,  a cash cow strategy is not a strategy used for a brand with future growth plans.

The majority of your customers have nothing more to buy and you're not paying for new customer acquisition (the case with XLN). A cash cow strategy is one that a company takes when it has plans to not grow the brand long term, but to get as much money out of it as possible, eventually leading to the close of the brand.  You wouldn't go with a cash cow strategy, because a cash cow strategy is not one used by a relevant thriving brand.  Anyho,  back to deals. 

Whatever... ?

11 hours ago, jesse g said:

Post here and let us know if you took advantage of the deal! ?

I didn't do the deal, because I am happy with my Scarlett 2i2 3rd gen, a flawless unit with great ASIO latency. Don't need the extra audio ins and outs.

But comparing the overall specs on the 18i20 2nd and 3rd gen units, the improvements on the 3rd gen seem marginally better. I would go for the 2nd gen if I needed the extra capacity today!

5 minutes ago, Peter Woods said:

I wouldn't make a correlation between the co-owner's success in his career with the future of XLN. If XLN isn't thriving,  it's a real possibility it could be sold off or shut down and the lack of activity for so long is not a positive sign. 

On the contrary, XLN could be sitting on a cash cow with the existing products, and a cost benefit analysis may show that continuing to milk the cow could produce more revenue than expensive investments in new product development would.

Just look at the market saturation for plugins these days, products that used to sell for $100+ now going for $29, or $10, or even for free! It's a big business risk to bring new products out in a market like this. Just look at Soundwide, and the consolidation in the music software industry, i.e., Native Instruments, iZotope, etc. https://www.soundwide.com/

I have heard that only the insider editions of 22H2 have been released to date, and that MS has committed to the 4th qtr for a public release.

Probably anytime now, so I have my computer locked down to 21H2. Have no desire to be a public beta tester for new Windows feature releases, and will wait to see how the general release goes first!

4 minutes ago, Peter Woods said:

It does make me wonder how XLN is doing as a company, if they're healthy or not. I own all of their keyboard sample libraries, which are good, and RC-20, which is excellent, and I've found their customer support is excellent and very friendly and personable. But XLN don't appear to be a thriving company.  I would love to see them release AD3 and new libraries. They've proven they're a solid developer. I want to give them more money. Please help us do that XLN!

Agreed that it would be cool to see some new XLN developments, as their products are solid.

But I really wouldn't worry about their status as a thriving company. They are backed by co-owner, Max Martin, who is one of the most successful songwriters and music producers in history. This is probably just a hobby for him!  https://www.xlnaudio.com/about

Max Martin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin

"Martin is the songwriter with the third-most number-one singles on the chart, behind only Paul McCartney (32) and John Lennon (26)."

54 minutes ago, Vernon Barnes said:

Thanks

The real thanks goes to @User 905133for giving me the heads-up on the VM Plug-in Host feature!

This turns VM into an almost self-contained host. I have also been able to load complete external FX chains via plugins like IK MixBox, Kilohearts Snap Heap, IK AmpliTube 5, and NI Guitar Rig 6.

FYI: Some plugins don't always display correctly when first inserted, but I have found that by clicking the "View Editor" button on the module twice, usually closes/re-opens the plugin and then it renders correctly in the UI.

6 minutes ago, Vernon Barnes said:

Thanks

Just don't try to load the Vital VST2 plug-in into the VM Plug-in Host module. VM went POOF, crash on me! VST3 seems to work fine though.

1 hour ago, Reid Rosefelt said:

Yes, it's not abandonware.  They are committed to keeping it working. 

Yes, and Addictive Drums is a great MIDI drum machine!

3 hours ago, Reid Rosefelt said:

I truly don't understand this company.   Particularly when you look at Toontrack, which constantly releasing new stuff.  The legendary @Bapu  buys practically all of it.

XLN's loss...

But they haven't abandoned ship. Still pushing out maintenance updates to their software.

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

I get the idea that most of us who follow this forum closely are more toward the "hobby studio" side? Things that I buy to do hobbies are different from things I buy to do my job, although I have enough of a frugal nature that I grub for the best deals possible on everything I buy.

I think most studio pros around here moved on when Sonar Platinum Lifetime was shutdown. If their livelihood was based on their DAW, they probably wouldn't want to deal with the uncertain future of Sonar, which really looked dark before BandLab came along.

There were many threads in the old forums during those dark days discussing the best DAW to migrate to. Even Bapu set up a external forum for ex-Cakewalkers in case the forum was going to be completely shut down.

So yes, I think that Cakewalk is mostly used by musicians and hobbyists these days. There may be a few exceptions, but I haven't seen anything around here lately to make me think otherwise. It's possible that the "Deals" forum is unique, in that it's not exclusively for Cakewalk users, so I am including the forums "upstairs" as well in my observation.

The developer of Abyss and Novum, Peter V (Dawesome Music) is a very creative guy! https://www.dawesomemusic.com/who-i-am/

Tracktion is just the distribution partner for Dawesome Music, aka "the label", but this is exclusively the work of Peter V.

2 hours ago, abacab said:

More memory won't make the PC perform any faster.

And just to clarify this statement...

Having less memory than you need will definitely slow your computer down. Best to observe the Windows Task Manager to see what is using your memory and how much. If it appears low when you are using the PC heavily, add memory! Otherwise, relax!