El Diablo

I understand I might be able to edit the title and write in it Solved, but I want to know before doing that if there's a feature that does this for you?

14 minutes ago, Antre said:

And, apparently, my son computer setup...

 

no blame to son... neither of you know how picky cakewalk is and nobody wanted to admit it.

Like I promised...

My test video:

Cakewalk 50, 100, 150, 200. 400 Track Speed Test

https://youtu.be/wnVLcP-rEkU

I don't know how to embed it.

6 minutes ago, Antre said:

Yes, on every configuration, with any driver.

 

Then it's your computer setup.  I've heard 15 years ago that Cakewalk runs much better on Intel processors than AMD.   Cakewalk just runs better on certain processors and graphic cards like NVIDIA.  I've been running Cakewalk since the 90s.

Calkwalk tends to like certain aspects of computers and is picky on what you are using.

If you buy the exact laptop I have, set it up just like I have, you'll have no issues.

 

3 minutes ago, Antre said:

Are you guys understand the TEST i did, because if you UNDERSTAND you will understand the LOGIC in it. I will post both PC specs but that doesn't matter.

Again:

130 tracks, fresh_first install on other PC Win10 in CbB - delay

130 tracks on MY LAPTOP Win8.1 in OTHER DAWS - no delay

both in WASAPI, onboard audio

everybody can replicate this, maybe someone will get the same results

 

If you use ASIO, does it delay?

 

15 minutes ago, Antre said:

Read the test I did with my laptop and w10 gaming Pc

I'm going to have to agree with hockeyjx.   Any PC can be considered gaming PC.  You need to tell us SPECS.   What kind of CHIP is in your PC, GHZ your PC is running, RAM, what kind of Storage are you running ??  Hard drive is SATA HDD, SSD, M.2 SSD, or  NVMe ??  ETC

To find your system specs...

Windows 7, 8, or 10: Use the Run Box

Hit Windows+R to open the Run box. Type “msinfo32” into the “Open” field, and then hit Enter. You should immediately see the System Information panel.

you can ctrl + c to copy from them and ctrl + v to past them in your response.

we need Processor, System Manufacture, System Model, OS Name, Installed Physical Memory (RAM), Available Physical Memory to better understand if your situation.

Computer: ASUS Gaming Laptop - G752VL,  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz, 2592 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s), 32 GB RAM, M.2 2TB

At 400 tracks, only 10% of the CPU used and about 7 GB of RAM.

400 tracks with no delay and I'm going to post a video to prove it.   I bet cakewalk to easily handle 1000 tracks with no delay.

 

3 minutes ago, Antre said:

thats unchecked already

Hold on a minute... I'll create a video of me duplicating 50 audio only tracks, no plugins or anything and i'll upload it to my Youtube channel and repost here.

7 minutes ago, Antre said:

here's the TEST:

I instaled fresh and first ever CbB on my son super mighty PC configured for all new games (regardles possible graphic issue witch I also considered for possible reson).

1.

I started to add tracks (audio files, no plugins, no VST, no VST3, no VSTi, no DX, no...)  - 50 tracks - no delay.

100 tracks - maybe a little bit...

130 tracks - little delay on PLAY and big delay/meter freeze on STOP

130 tracks/pro channels ON - little delay on PLAY and HUGE delay on STOP

2.

I added  same 130 audio tracks to Reaper and Soundbridge on MY LAPTOP 

Reaper plays and stops INSTANTLY

Soundbridge plays and stop INSTANTLY (but with pops and glitches)

If your serious,

I have an idea you can do.

Go to your preferences > Sync and Caching > File System > and uncheck Enable Read Caching and Enable Write Caching so that you don't use your hard drive to play read and write to... This should force Cakewalk to use RAM only.

In Preferences > Midi > Playback and Recording > Playback ... please tell us what your Buffers are set to for Millisecond Buffers.

4 minutes ago, Antre said:

Thanks, but I did a test with NO plugins

I know this sounds stupid, but I've been zoomed out so far that I didn't place the tracks right at 01:01:000 and there was a delay. Did you double check to make sure all the music starts at 01:01:000 M:B:T?   AND you not showing the picture of your tracks, I could replicate that issue just by doing that.

I'm curious, are you running any VST2 and VST3 plugins mixed?   If I run VST2 and VST3 plugins mixed together I end up getting delays and crashes.  I started only using VST3 .... I'll only use VST2 plugins in my projects IF I Freeze them right after as long as they are not the original cakewalk plugins.   The only plugins I can't freeze without crashing cakewalk is Dimension Pro, Beatscape, and Rapture Pro which are old VST2 software from Sonar Producer 8.5.3.  SSOOOOO... Try NOT to mix VST2 and VST3 ... then see if that fixes your delay issues.  Try not to use ANY old Sonar bundled plugins.

Dimension Pro, Beatscape, and Rapture Pro has no issues running in Sonar Producer 8.5.3 and will freeze just fine, but if they run in Cakewalk 2022.06 build 34, they will crash Cakewalk on freeze.  So maybe Cakewalk has a memory leak in the Freeze area of the software?

On 9/24/2022 at 2:36 AM, Max Arwood said:

I have been using WLM+ for years. I have auto save enabled and I do not have the problem you are talking about. I use it on every project. That is strange to me. I’m pretty sure it is the VST3 version. Which waves version do you have 12? 13?

 

Waves Version 14.  VST3.  Windows Version 10.0.19044 Build 19044 / Cakewalk by Bandlabs 2022.06 (Build 034, 64 bit)

Another plug that has this issue is F6 Floating-Band Dynamic EQ while you move your mouse around the graph area where the EQ and line adjustments are located.

On 9/22/2022 at 8:36 PM, Starship Krupa said:

This issue is probably caused by having File/Advanced/Auto-save set to save after every X changes.

^^ That was my problem.  I had auto-save every X changes.

I know there is TWO auto save options.   Save every X minutes AND Save every X changes.

I had it set save every 5 minutes and save every 5 changes.  When I set it to save every 5 minutes and save every 0 changes, the plugin stopped freezing the DAW.

 

12 hours ago, abacab said:

There is a free version of Youlean Loudness Meter 2 available at PluginBoutique.

https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/4960-Youlean-Loudness-Meter

 

I have heard about "Youlean" but when I go to his original website, he uses Let's Encrypt for his HTTPS and that makes me worry a bit.  A lot of scammers and bad actors use Let's Encrypt because it's free SSL.

 

3 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

This issue is probably caused by having File/Advanced/Auto-save set to save after every X changes.

What happens is that some plug-ins constantly report to Cakewalk that something has changed, even multiple times per second, so if you have Cakewalk set to auto-save after every 5 changes and this plug-in is reporting a change 5X per second, Cakewalk will save every second. I just made those numbers up to illustrate it, it seems that this Waves plug-in is reporting changes even more often.

So as a workaround, you can turn off the auto-save every X changes on projects that use the plug-in, or, since it's a metering plug-in, bypass it when you're not reading the meter. Whatever, an analysis plug-in shouldn't be reporting ANY changes to Cakewalk, so if turning off save every X changes makes the problem go away, Waves need to be informed about it. I don't know if there's anything that can be done on Cakewalk's side; they're probably at the mercy of the plug-in reporting accurately that it has changed something.

Sweet! That fixed it!

I will however email Waves Audio about this plugin and F6 Floating-Band Dynamic EQ does this.

 

4 minutes ago, abacab said:

Now all you need to do is find someone that has this particular plugin working in CbB. Then that will be all the proof you need to go back and go over your system with a fine tooth comb!

Good luck!

Yeah... it's more likely I'm just going to try out another company's plugin even though it doesn't have it's own limiter like "WLM Plus Loudness Meter".  I was really hoping for "WLM Plus Loudness Meter"  to work, but Time is Money and I don't have much of that to waste.

 

I personally think nobody uses that plugin and it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack and I don't think Waves Audio is going to pay to fix that bug just for one customer.

 

Any other company's plugin suggestions for watching LUFs and might have a limiter on it?

 

Thanks for the luck and luck back at you too!

 

 

1 minute ago, abacab said:

That's the question you should have been asking from the beginning. 😉

I don't know, because I don't have that plugin. My 37+ Waves plugins all work fine here in the latest Cakewalk version, but I believe I had to clean install my Waves setup a few years ago when it got glitchy. I don't recall the details, but I am of the opinion that Waves way over complicates things that should be simpler.

If you go back and read what Waves support sent you, they included this statement: "Make sure to load WLM (and any other Waves plugin) as VST3, which is the only format tested and qualified with our plugins in Cakewalk."

Cakewalk has it in BLUE on the right side of the plugin says VST3 for all of the Waves Audio plugins.

https://www.waves.com/plugins/wlm-loudness-meter#how-to-set-loudness-levels-for-streaming-wlm

2 minutes ago, abacab said:

That really doesn't make them all the same. Just one little bit affecting that plugin in your environment could be corrupted, making it YOUR problem only, and if so you are the only person that can fix it.

These suggestions, or hoops as you call them, are the only way to logically rule things out at your end. If you want Waves support (or anyone for that matter) to work with you, you WILL need to do as they ask!

We are just users like you, and have been in your shoes before...

Does this plugin work on your Cakewalk version?

None of the other Waves Audio plugins aren't causing any issues and I will not completely uninstall Waves Central and install it again using up my BANDWIDTH just for one plugin that I can find elsewhere.  I think Waves Audio is about to lose a customer.

 

13 minutes ago, abacab said:

You are probably OK to skip the latest Windows updates, but do be thorough about updating the Windows Redistributables. The redistributables always contains code that Windows applications (and plugins) are dependent on to run correctly. I have heard of other problems being fixed by updating them. That can't hurt in any case.

And a clean refresh of Waves can't hurt either, but may very well help. I have also heard that this fixed other plugin issues with Waves that some have had.

I would focus on those two things, and see how it goes!

At this point, I think they should TEST their plugin on Cakewalk 2022.06 ... the latest version, because I'm going thru hoops and I truly think it's the plugin.  I have 18 other Waves Audio plugins in my DAW and they ALL work Fine!

 

5 minutes ago, abacab said:

You are probably OK to skip the latest Windows updates, but do be thorough about updating the Windows Redistributables. The redistributables always contains code that Windows applications (and plugins) are dependent on to run correctly. I have heard of other problems being fixed by updating them. That can't hurt in any case.

And a clean refresh of Waves can't hurt either, but may very well help. I have also heard that this fixed other plugin issues with Waves that some have had.

I would focus on those two things, and see how it goes!

Here's what happened with the redistribution:

 

vcredist_x86_2005.sp1.MFC.EXE

vcredist_x86_2008_sp1.exe (repair)

vcredist_x64_2012.exe (repair) (restart)

vcredist_x86_2012.exe (repair)

vcredist_x64_2013.exe (repair)

VC_redist.x64.exe (Setup Failed)
[29FC:287C][2022-09-22T13:17:00]e000: Error 0x80070666: Cannot install a product when a newer version is installed.  -- In order to install that version of Microsoft Visual c++ 2015-2019 I would have to uninstall the other version installed.

 

Log file:

 

[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i001: Burn v3.10.4.4718, Windows v10.0 (Build 19044: Service Pack 0), path: C:\Users\ELDIAB~1\AppData\Local\Temp\{36F841ED-E658-4094-BE9A-4E283E48FA4D}\.cr\VC_redist.x64.exe
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i009: Command Line: '"-burn.clean.room=C:\Program Files\Waves Central\resources\res\external\Redistributables\2015andUp\VC_redist.x64.exe" -burn.filehandle.attached=576 -burn.filehandle.self=588'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting string variable 'WixBundleOriginalSource' to value 'C:\Program Files\Waves Central\resources\res\external\Redistributables\2015andUp\VC_redist.x64.exe'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting string variable 'WixBundleOriginalSourceFolder' to value 'C:\Program Files\Waves Central\resources\res\external\Redistributables\2015andUp\'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting string variable 'WixBundleLog' to value 'C:\Users\ELDIAB~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dd_vcredist_amd64_20220922132240.log'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting string variable 'WixBundleName' to value 'Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2019 Redistributable (x64) - 14.23.27820'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting string variable 'WixBundleManufacturer' to value 'Microsoft Corporation'
[4250:14D4][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting version variable 'WixBundleFileVersion' to value '14.23.27820.0'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i100: Detect begin, 10 packages
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting version variable 'windows_uCRT_DetectKey' to value '10.0.19041.789'
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i000: Setting numeric variable 'windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists' to value 1
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i102: Detected related bundle: {57a73df6-4ba9-4c1d-bbbb-517289ff6c13}, type: Upgrade, scope: PerMachine, version: 14.30.30704.0, operation: Downgrade
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.3 AND NOT VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.3 AND VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.2 AND NOT VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.2 AND VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.1 AND NOT VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.1 AND VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.0 AND NOT VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition '(VersionNT = v6.0 AND VersionNT64) AND (windows_uCRT_DetectKeyExists AND windows_uCRT_DetectKey >= v10.0.10240.0)' evaluates to false.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i103: Detected related package: {662A0088-6FCD-45DD-9EA7-68674058AED5}, scope: PerMachine, version: 14.30.30704.0, language: 0 operation: Downgrade
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i103: Detected related package: {6DB765A8-05AF-49A1-A71D-6F645EE3CE41}, scope: PerMachine, version: 14.30.30704.0, language: 0 operation: Downgrade
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows81_x86, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows81_x64, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows8_x86, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows8_x64, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows7_MSU_x86, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: Windows7_MSU_x64, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: WindowsVista_MSU_x86, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: WindowsVista_MSU_x64, state: Absent, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: vcRuntimeMinimum_x64, state: Obsolete, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i101: Detected package: vcRuntimeAdditional_x64, state: Obsolete, cached: None
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i052: Condition 'VersionNT64 >= v6.0 OR (VersionNT64 = v5.2 AND ServicePackLevel >= 1)' evaluates to true.
[4250:464C][2022-09-22T13:22:40]i199: Detect complete, result: 0x0
[4250:14D4][2022-09-22T13:22:42]i000: Setting numeric variable 'EulaAcceptCheckbox' to value 1
[4250:14D4][2022-09-22T13:22:42]e000: Error 0x80070666: Cannot install a product when a newer version is installed.

 

So, the redistribution is a older file.  That isn't being up to date.

 

I hope they don't expect me to "Always" be up to date with Microsoft Windows updates.... cause the latest updates have caused massive problems with other computers.  Currently the latest update does this "Windows 10 KB5017308 causing issues with Group Policy settings".  Why would I want to install bugs?

EDIT: I'll be up to date, only after the Windows update doesn't have any issues for 90 days.

15 hours ago, abacab said:

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15 hours ago, abacab said:

It is my opinion in general that plug-in makers need to test their plug-ins in all DAWs. Cakewalk is sometimes overlooked... 😢

So it follows that logic that it's not the responsibility of the DAW maker to adjust to the shortcomings of a plug-in maker. Let Waves hear about it!

I must have gotten a Generic Reply from Waves Audio.... They didn't even bother telling me if they tested it on their side or not.  They just choose to believe the plugin works and it's my fault for the plugin not working.

 

Here's what they wrote back:

 

Thank you for contacting Waves Tech Support.
 

Make sure to load WLM (and any other Waves plugin) as VST3, which is the only format tested and qualified with our plugins in Cakewalk.

Make sure that Windows is fully updated, and if any updates are available in Windows' Check for Updates program - install them and reboot the computer.

Once Windows is fully updated, follow these steps to repair Windows' Redistributables -

 Quit all applications.

 Make sure all the latest windows updates are installed.

 Go to C:\Program Files\Waves Central\resources\res\external\Redistributables.

 Now, go through each folder and run all the Application files, one by one ( Let me know if you're getting any errors). Select the 'Repair' option to repair all of them.

If prompted to restart, you can skip that until you finish all the files.

If the issue still persists, follow these steps for a complete removal of all Waves files, followed by a clean installation - 

Uninstall:

Launch Waves Central.

Go to the Settings page in the bottom left corner.

Under Maintenance, look for Uninstall and click the drop-down menu.

Checkmark all the available version entries and click Uninstall.

Quit Waves Central.

Go to C:\Program Files (x86) and delete the Waves folder.

Press [Win key]+R, type %AppData% and hit Enter.

In the Roaming folder that shows, drag the Waves Audio folder to your desktop.

Press [Win key]+R, type %LocalAppData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.

Press [Win key]+R, type %ProgramData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.

Go to C:\Program Files\Waves Central - run the Uninstall Waves Central.exe file.

Delete the Waves Central folder in C:\Program Files

Delete any WaveShell files you find in the following locations (if exist):

C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Avid\Audio\Plug-ins

C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3

C:\Program Files (x86)\VSTPlugins

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\ DigiDesign\DAE\Plug-Ins

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\VST3

C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\WPAPI

Now to re-install:

Download and install Central.

Run Central and log in.

Go to the Install Products page in the top left corner.

Under My Products, check mark the products you wish to install.

Click Install on the bottom right.

Rescan in Cakewalk as per this article.

Let me know how it goes.

 

Hi,

I am using Windows Version 10.0.19044 Build 19044 / Cakewalk by Bandlabs 2022.06 (Build 034, 64 bit).

WHAT DOES IT DO?  When you load it into a large project, and it is in foreground (in focus), it causes Cakewalk to think it needs to save the project every other second.  When you load it into a very small project (1 audio track), it will just constantly flicker every other second.  You basically can hardly do anything other than try to hide the plug-in to regain control of Cakewalk.

WHAT DID I DO TO TRY TO FIX THIS?  I tried to use Waves Audio Studio Rack plugin to host it, but that does not solve the issue.  I tried googling a issue.  I couldn't find any information on this issue.

WHAT DO I KNOW?  I have a 18 fully licensed Waves Audio plug-ins with no issues.  It's odd that this one plugin would cause Cakewalk by Bandlabs such a major issue to cause Cakewalk unusable!

Does anyone know of any work around?  I have emailed Waves Audio tech support, but I'm not sure how long it will take them to get back with me.