Thanks for the responses, Now I have some numbers to compare in my search now i'm pretty sure of what I'm gonna go with depending on current availability,there's a few to choose from I'll figure it out on payday lol.My needs are pretty simple most of the time just a vocal mic and my harmonica bullet mic,to record with forked tracks on bandlab,and lately adding a guitar and another mic for rehearsing and recording originals we have both written we've got tons of material to go thru and neither Myself or my Guitarist are tech savvy so imagine the frustration when one of us has got a new melody or riff In our heads and forget it because we couldn't get the daw to work on the laptop haha I'm getting a reel to reel for backup lol but I'm going to learn and get proficient using cakewalk and pro tools but ATM tech is busting my brain when I've got music I'm trying to work with it sucks the life out of me like the suck cut on Wayne's World so I'm figuring the more of my setup that is accomplished before it goes into the PC like effects and eq'settings the more dummy friendly the daw should be so in my mind is how I see it and I'll be gigging soon and want to keep it simple so I'm ordering a Mackie fxv3 12channel usb mixer after trying to record with 2vocal mics my bullet mic and an electric guitar and not enough input channels and preamps had to just mic the amps I don't wanna go thru that again,im gonna make sure ive got enough channels for everyone drums n base too when it comes time but also keep it consistent from rehearsal to gig using the same setups as we practice with just plug our mains into their PA, Originally I was trying to do that with the laptop and cakewalk and bandlab editor and ik pro dual that was a pipedream so I'll be happy just to have a standalone that's sufficient to record our raw multi channel audio no secondary effects from the DAW Mackie comes with 24 onboard effects all I care about is reverb delay and overdrive Frankie has pedals for His guitar. Less tech ,I think is best for Me. ,anybody want to buy an iKmulti media irig pro dual interface comes with amplitube lol the latency is barely noticeable HAHHaaa ptttthhh comes with a slightly melted Toshiba laptop