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Best wishes to you you Noel and the rest of the Cakewalk/Bandlab team in 2019. The future looks bright!

I have been around Cakewalk products for a long time and mostly used SoundCloud and YouTube as my main online exposure /storage mediums. I am posting this thread as a way to bring us new players in Bandlab up to speed. Also please send me links to the Cakewalk crowd on BL. I recently uploaded my first tune to Bandlab here- A Man I Cannot Be though I was involved with a stem kind of thing a few months back. Since then I've never really figured it all out completely. Almost seems too simple on the surface, but when you get into the stems it then gets a bit confusing. One thing you might want to know that I have found out is BL only allows 12 individual tracks to be uploaded. My song was 15 tracks so no go. My intention was to export the individual tracks and see where it went. A few annoyances I encountered while using BandLab, Within 5 minutes of my upload I had a post from someone who wanted to sell me loops. It was the only post I had. Secondly- When I launch the BL app it ALWAYS tells me there is an update for the app. I have clicked my win 10 setup to download. Launched again and get the same message. Same thing is happening with CbB in the BL app. I am up to date, however I get a reminder to try the latest version of CbB. Are you using BL for finished tunes or as a way to collaborate? BL seems to be both things, however my initial hunch is it's more about open uncontrolled collaboration which leads to the next question. Can I control who collaborates with me? When I was involved in the my BL experiments a few months back I didn't know what it was and I unknowingly put a tune up. That tune came back with someone's ideas ion it which frankly were horrible. I mean, I don't expect perfection from a work in progress. I get there will be rough tracks and all of that. This was really bad, like someone took a child's tape recorder and sang off key into it, then added it to my track. This didn't give me a very favorable impression of the BL experience overall. What have your experiences been? Is there anything you could share which would make the BL experience better for those who are at least intermediate at mixing and playing?

I bought this. I think it will fill the void in my sound libraries. I played with it for maybe an hour and so far I am impressed at the realistic articulations. I wasn't ready to invest heavily in expensive sound libraries since I don't compose a lot of those larger productions. Having said that, this library combined with the libraries I already won covers many of those bases. I have a question though. Maybe I falsely assumed you could load Armadeus on two computers using one license. Unfortunately I found out the hard way it won't register through NI on my laptop. Ironic that NI Kontakt CAN be used on two computers under one license but some 3rd party libraries can't. I'm not buying another copy of Armadeus and I hope they will reconsider letting the user have it on two machines. Did I miss something? Can I somehow use it on two computers. This would make a killer lightweight thing to take out in the laptop.

Thanks for this info. I see the sale is still on.

@Todskins, @Starship Krupa Thanks for your thoughts on Sibleus. I will be sure to stay away from that one. Lots of composers are using it so I figured it might be ok. When making notation I use midi played in with few corrections. No piano roll input. This is easiest for the way I like to work. I still find myself going back to CbB in almost every project I make. I had time off over the holiday so I decided to familiarize myself better with Ableton. I am impressed with the way you can put things together in it so fast and they all lock together in perfect time. It's more like two DAWs really. Arranger view makes it easy to navigate to the sounds you need or make loops with a midi keyboard on the fly. Arrangement is drag and drop. One you have an arrangement arm all tracks and hit record. This is where the magic happens. You then record everything to the tracks view all ready to be mixed like a more standard DAW. This part of it really impressed me. What didn't impress me was the work it takes to try and round up all of my plugins. Ableton defaults to one folder for plugins. You may select another folder. This is very limiting. This all resulted in me only getting maybe 25% of my plugins and instruments scanned including a big one for me ...Kontakt. That's really the only thing about the program that bothered me. I comped a mix in it with no problem and sent the individual tracks to CbB so I could use all my plugins and mix it a little better. If I'm building tracks I won't hesitate to use Ableton again for that. Studio One 4 has nothing over Ableton concerning arranging IMO. On the notation front, if I can get deeper into the connections in Rewire I should be able to hook Notion to any rewire equipped DAW. Many possible ideas for this including Mixing midi in CbB, exporting to SO4 and making my notation. My preference would be SO for that since it is so much easier to do. I have Mixcraft 8. Didn't realize it also supports some form of notation. I plan to check that out.

Understood. I didn't like it either. I made a bunch of changes to it. I made some major changes to it. In hindsight I released it much too early. I thought I was finished but wasn't. Nowhere near.

I had an old version of Biab. Maybe I should have played with it a bit more. TBH having Ableton probably already made my choice for me. Not that CbB wouldn't do it. I kind of had this notion about Biab that was likely all wrong as a program for someone who doesn't play instruments and needs backing tracks. I know that probably isn't completely true. You use it @Notes_Norton and you are quite the musician. It can be difficult trying to play some music with only two people, or to try and round up band members who will commit.

Well I can see you don't need any *ahem* coaching on this one ? I would love to know what you do to get such a clean sounding recording. Are you running through some kind of high end gear? I guess I just need to learn how to mix. The mix on my end is pristine. No mud to be found anywhere.

Nothing like a recorded live performance recorded well and made by a good player such as yourself!

Very nice clear mix. Makes me want to begin playing with video too.

Good to see you back in the studio Lynn. This is a very catchy and nostalgic sounding track. Takes me back to the 80's with the lead singer of Van Halen at the helm! You really sound like him a lot to me.

Holy cow. He must be on Red Bull like 24/7.

Thanks Wookie. I plan to go over it again. My voice isn't that good on this. The reverb is covering some of that up. I'm sick of it right now. Hopefully I'll mix it some more when I can stand to listen to it again lol. I've heard it like 500 times. I tried just about every trick I know on the vox and I just couldn't get it to pop the way I wanted.

Thank you Peter. I listened to Jordan back when he first started demoing Korg keyboards. He could probably play a killer bassoon on keys. Faster than a real one. :)..or anything else for that matter.

This is a pop song about a man who can't show his true feelings for a woman he likes. A Man I Cannot Be words- I acted the fool, really wasn't me I really love you, didn't want you to see I pretended to be a man who wasn't me. I pretended to be difficult I needed to believe I didn't love you I need you to see a man that isn't me. I pretended I don't care, you are unaware My lying eyes can't hide what I feel inside. A man you cannot see Can't hide those lying eyes x4 I pretended I don't care, you are unaware My lying eyes can't hide what I feel inside. A man I cannot be. Can't hide those lying eyes x 4

If it sounds anything like the hardware version it's killer. Maybe in more ways than one.

Can't wait to listen to the other parts. Will we have a review of the orchestral sounds?

Thank you.

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