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I had plugin years ago.  Not sure of I need yet another version of this, but always curious.

8 hours ago, bitflipper said:

I'd suggest installing the VST2 version for simplicity.

When I installed the VST3 version, it scanned OK, showed up in the vst inventory in the registry, and was listed in the Cakewalk Plugin Manager as enabled. However, it would not show up in the Insert Synth menu until I subsequently also installed the VST2 version, after which both versions were listed. I haven't installed a VST3 instrument in awhile, so I don't know if this is a Sonar issue or not.

When copying the presets for the VST3 version, the actual path is %userprofile%\Documents\VST3 Presets\gunnar ekornaas\MinimogueVA. You will need to create the "gunnar ekornaas" and "MinimogueVA" folders before copying the files. If this is your first VST3 instrument, you'll probably have to also create the "VST3 Presets" folder.

I have noticed that some newer  VST3 plugins install weirdly on my Windows 10 machine but perfectly on Windows 11

8 hours ago, Zo said:

The biggest mistake people do is to compare curves , the key is in pahse imho , curves are eazy to quit match ...be sure to check the pahse 

I realize the curve is not the end all, but it has some use even if it is only a start point. If the curve was completely different, we already know they are vastly different without having to get into more detailed factors.  Again, I am far from a pro. I just thought it was fun and interesting. Also, remember that this started with me noticing that they didn't sound that different. I wanted to peek to see if my ears were completely off.

1 minute ago, Pat Osterday said:

I have the T-RackS EQ P1A and Logic's Vintage Tube EQ along with the UAD one - all pretty good.  I snagged the freebie to get iLok Machine auth.  I really like using the UAD HLF-3C that the other two don't have.  I do wish UAD made a wrapper to load all three together.

Same. The Nomad Factory version does have them all together

Maybe I should by a second license to never use?

I found the Ruletec was almost identical too except for an analog emulation of instability that can be turned off. Ik has something similar

4 hours ago, pwal²³ said:

If only we all had the hardware to compare

The way my bank account is set up. ...

Paul Third  did do a hardware comparison and determined UAD  was damn close.

20 minutes ago, MusicMan said:

I always like seeing stuff like this and find Plugin Doctor quite an interesting tool.

Pulse-Tec Nomad Factory V2 gets very close to the curves. It seems they use a HP filter on their V2 plug regardless of it not being enabled on the plugin for the HLF-3 section.

Both UA and Pulse-Tec V1 use a sharp LP filter at around 20KHz which I imagine might be for aliasing, whereas V2 of Pulse-Tec doesn't.

There is quite a bit of difference between all three when it comes to Harmonic Analysis though.

I'm not one of those youtube guys like Paul or Dan lol. I did the quick and dirty. I'm sure much deeper analysis is to be had.  Thanks for the added info ?

One of the things that drives me crazy with plugins (particularly the emulations) is wondering if they are worth it.  Like many of you, I bit on the UAD Pultec offer. It's a great sounding plugin...just like all the rest of my Pultec emulations. If I had to rank them, I suppose it has an edge on some, but I found some surprises.   Although UAD version is conditionally free for now, it typically not.  I recently remembered I have the Nomad Factory updated version , which, like UAD has multiple Pultec EQs. I started there and then added a couple. Surprisingly, the Nomad Retro version was not far from the UAD soundwise. There was a slight difference, but this sounded more like the difference between hardware units than a drastic change. I am attaching plugin doctor screen shots that show that each module in Nomad matched up well with UAD using almost identical settings.  For comparison, I also compared IK EQ P1A, Melda TurboEQ and for kicks i attempted a super quick attempt to match using MAutodynamic EQ.  Melda was harder to match up due to massive GUI differences, but it took less than a minute to come close. Attached are screenshots.

Conclusions: Melda offers best overall value, but has bigger learning curve to use as a Pultec alternative. Experienced audio engineers with better ears than me can save by going that route.  For those looking for a cheaper alternative Pultec to UAD that has same interface/workflow to dial in similar results, Nomad Factory is a hidden gem.

53 minutes ago, Paul Young said:

I practically majored theory in college.  I have these type of apps and I don't use them that much or my education.

I tend to buy loops with midi and use those to make adjustments.

BTW don't most DAWs have these built in?  

It wouldn't hurt to have it.

Some have small subsets of what Scaler has. Ableton comes to mind.  I think a good free subset of scaler option is the free ripchord plugin.  I think more and more DAWs will eventually incorporate more of this, including AI options, since they are running out of features that can justify the upgrade and subscription prices.  The absolute ONLY reason i upgraded Studio one from 5 is my waves plugins broke during that foolish update they did when they tried to force subscription.

Yes, if you bother to use it.  Even at the lowest commitment level, it will enable all but the most skilled keyboard players to play chords they would likely have not played otherwise. I can conceptualize playing an 11th chord, but it's not happening in practice.  Granted, the need for me to ever do so is rare.  It is a great tool for figuring modal interchange as well. In any case, I have spent more on things that were absolutely useless

Didn't this used to be free?

Worth it if you like gritty 90s Boom Bap drums 

This has been given away too many times

I think this was posted a couple if days ago

3 hours ago, Milan said:

I never understood the fascination with Ableton and FL, but it could be just me.

FL , for starters has lifetime free updates.  In a software world that is shifting from periodically charging for what are sometimes minor upgrades to endless subscriptions, this is huge.  In a pop world that relies more and more on computer based production, having what is often said to be the best piano roll among DAWs is also huge .  

Ableton simply has a workflow that works better with EDM than most.  Ableton also has very usable sounds and stock plugins.  It has a more modern workflow that does not assume user is coming from analog world. Pro tools and other products that have a similar workflow that emulates working with tape, are in some ways less efficient, particularly for younger users who were not raised on consoles and tape.

Both have very tight sampler/ DAW integration. Something Sonar/Cakewalk has always lacked.  Studio one does a decent job at this, but nowhere near as well as these two. 

It's totally safe but i can understand the concern. Good product. 

Harrison is in that category of companies  whose response to criticism totally turned me off to buying their products.

15 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

Absolutely understood by everyone who has a problem with WUP. When everything is working fine, WUP is a non-issue. 

However, let's ay that your OS or DAW has an update -- which happens regularly -- and it causes your version of Waves plugins to stop working. If Waves has fixed the issue for the plugins you purchased in 2018, you're going to have to pay $240 US (that's the latest ceiling price for WUP) to get your plugins working again. This is a problem plenty of Apple users have faced, BTW.  And, of course, that $240 US only covers one year. If your OS or DAW have updates during the next year that result in issues with your Waves plugin, that's going to be an additional $240 US. 

Do you think if you were faced with having to pay $240 US to get your plugins on projects working again that you would still have good feelings for Waves and their WUP practices or might that impact your perspective a little?  

The moment my waves plugins no longer work, I will easily stop using them. There are maybe 2-3 Waves plugins that I don't have equivalents to. 

23 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

Interesting.  If you are a linear tracking DAW user FL will drive you crazy unless you are doing dance genres. One of the best piano rolls out there. While it may come across as a simple to use DAW it's very complex when you go deeper.

Live - seems like it was designed for a laptop.  You resize windows a lot.  Session view is underrated. 

I'm a fanboy of both but if I want to do some orchestra that is more advanced (rare for me) a staff view is needed.

This guy manages to do well with classical in FL, but even he admits it poses challenges:

Had to refresh a few times, but eventually worked. Good bank!

1 hour ago, Grem said:

Well, all the users of Bandlab will eventually want a better DAW. Guess which on they will choose.

I'm guessing Ableton or FL Studio. 

2 hours ago, aidan o driscoll said:

@Xel Ohh Are you still using this???

 

I don't think he was ever a fan.  I have seen him mention this on his videos. 

3 hours ago, aidan o driscoll said:

Thought I would dredge this one up again. I had come across some old project files for this today. I installed it, didnt last long on my system, uninstalled again.

They STILL dont have support for VST3 which is what most of my plugins are now, so no thanks

Bet ye forgot this DAW. I played around with it a while back as I have an AKAI MPK Mini 2 Keyboard which ties in well with it. It really does need a bit of work especially on layout and vst3 and the like.

But HEY, its still FREE

https://www.akaipro.com/mpc-beats

Still not sure WHY its there though, whats the point 

 

Doubt the layout changes. Too many hit song producers use it as is. There have been rumblings of MPC 3.0 which I hope will address VST 3.  I think the interface and workflow are annoying to people not used to MPC, but even Roger Linn seems to like the current state of MPC.  People who I know use MPC tend to be more worried about handling their own samples than adding synths.

On 6/14/2024 at 7:11 AM, tunedeaf said:

I'm not really familiar with these plugins. I have Pigments and some freebies; would this be a recommended buy at $99?

Highly recommended if you don't have.  They are not as extensive as other collections, but they have a high percentage of plugins you will actually use regularly. They have replaced other versions of similar plugins in my mixing templates.  I would be shocked if you didn't find at least 10 that you find highly useful for day to day use.