John Vere

I tend to only visit this sub forum.  I don't really have the time to look at them all. 

I have this weird PCI sound card made by a company called  a Card Deluxe --  http://www.pcrecording.com/carddlux.htm  

They were made for Radio stations I think. Anyhow I installed it to a W7 computer and it works real good. I use it to watch movies.  

I should try and see if the driver works with W10. It might, the download page is still there but it only supports up to W7 64 bit. 

I did used it a few years ago with Sonar and it had super low latency and never had any issues.  

It is a shame they stopped making these cards.  The jacks are all balanced TRS... The RCA jacks are SPDIF,, but only clocked to 48Hz. 

Well from what the OP said this was what I was assuming.  They said there's nothing there and that's more or less what you get until you load a project.  I'm assuming they load up , get the start screen but then choose nothing and close it.  We won't know until the OP responds,, been a day. 

I have a 6i6 1st gen and it's not a good performer RTL wise.   Sure if I crank  the clock rate to 96hz and lower the buffers into the danger zone I can do around 7ms. But I use 44.1 and a safe mid zone buffer so I'm at 16ms.  Don't matter to me as I never use real time monitoring or Guitar sims in real time. 

The new models are reported a  little better but still.... You are looking at interfaces over $500 like RME if you want real low figures under 4 ms.     

Actually when you open Cakewalk it looks like this until you open a project.  Should see the start screen however but I have that disabled. . 

Generally bundle files are not recommended as they have a long history of becoming corrupt.

First, Midi is never a problem and the data and VST info will be stored within the CWP file itself. 

It's the audio that you need to deal with.  

Compress the whole thing with Win ZIp or Win Rar or ? . Now you can email of share in One Drive or ?  

This has been a common complaint and sorry to say the only solution I've seen offered is to just keep trying. 

I think the server times out and because the install is not handled by a download manager you seem to loose the file and so have to start again. 

Seems to work best with Chrome too. 

Not to push the point further, I'm actually on the side of folks who are happy using older versions as I myself was exactly that person and stayed with 8.5 through the whole X series debacle. So I'm just saying this to be supportive and also encourage people to take the actual small amount of time it will take to learn how the new versions differ.  It's a lot easier than you think if you just take certain steps. 

As I said I stayed with 8.5 and so when I finally ended up with X3e I fired it up and nothing was right! It was all very wrong and simple things I had done were all now evasive. I quickly bolted back to my comfort zone and good ol' 8.5 and got some work done. I sat on x3 for a while but because I follow this forum I started to read about new features that I really needed and so fired up x3e again. What I did was NOT TRY and record a serious project but just explore and experiment. It didn't take long and I all of a sudden "got it". It's only the GUI interface that they changed. I learned I DON'T have to use Take Lanes etc. I'd say it was only a rainy afternoon and I was working 100% without issues in X3e. It's all how you set your preferences and with a few minor changes to your workflow after a week you'll soon forget 8.5 existed. 

I'm working on some tutorial videos for a few friends that are total first time computer DAW users so the they are dead simple to follow. They are border line boring if you already know these things.  I start with what I believe is super important.. First learn your way around the GUI. I think the big mistake Newbies make is they try and jump right in and record and edit and they have no clue about what the softwares layout and features are. See my signature for links, 

It's sort of like being a Classic car owner. They have to sort any issue they have out for them selves as you certainly can't expect to take a 56 Chevy back to a GM dealer for a tune up and expect them to have the correct parts! What's a carburetor buddy, doesn't come up on the computer?    

I still have 8.5  ( 64 bit) installed, haven't opened it but it's still there. I think I installed it to get True Piano's and the guitar tuner. 

You could do this. Keep using your old version on the old computer, but then have a second set up, up to date, and start messing with it. Eventually you'll get over the culture shock and all will be better. It just takes time to adjust. I still like using Word 2008 and hate the newer versions. But at work I've had to adjust and now it' doesn't matter I use both the old version and the new one. And the other day I went to do something on the old version and found out the new version does work better.. 

I stayed with 8.5 up until X3e came out and I was offered an upgrade cheap.  At first I hated it and stayed with 8.5. But after a few months I took a shine to it and have never gone backwards since.  For me it's the big improvements in the PVR a place I spend a lot of time. 

Hey,, I'm the one with a USB footswitch programed for R-W and spacebar...  I love hotkeys! But I always seem to misplace that list I printed off..

You find out soon enough when you think your typing in Track name and it looses focus and you now have just hit the v-o-c-a & l  keys by mistake. 

As said, you use the PVR and it takes a split second to move any note, groups of notes anywhere you like. Why would you want to open menus??

 you don't like using a mouse ??? it's all about the mouse and the smart tool if you want to get any work done and  gt it done fast.  I guess a touch screen might also work. 

I live in the PVR. And as you probably figured out I mostly make backing tracks just like you for my solo and duo acts. I also write original songs and use midi for lots of the parts. I don't have a good drummer available anymore so have to use VST. . 

I've never been a good keyboard player so editing midi notes goes back to1984  Dr T KCS sequencer for me. That was all done in a event list environment. 

It's unbelievable what you can do in PVR with my shoddy keyboard performances. 

Manipulating the timing, the duration, the velocity and then adding more notes to create big chords from my 3 fingered ones. 

Lininging up the placement of notes on multiple midi tracks is a big one for me.  Example making sure your Bass and Kick are tight. 

Last night I used a new trick where I'm adding new parts to an old bed track ( backing track) that I only have a stereo wave copy of. It's real drums, bass, rhythm guitar and a little bit of Korg Poly 800 I played live. It was originally recorded to a Yamaha MD8 track. 

I set the tempo as close as possible and layed down a hi hat on the 1/4 notes. This gives me a guide track to set all new parts in time to. 

I replayed the Poly 800 part ( I found a free VST)  added a piano part and a zither kind of thing on the bridge. So now the track sounds HUGE. The new midi parts mixed in with the old audio recording works well for this song. I always wanted more FAT synth and now I have it. 

I will now re sing and add a lead guitar part. But this all involved about 5 hours inside PVR editing. I played a simple piano part then I added extra notes manually. When done it's almost convincing that I can play a piano! And the bonus is I now have a much improved backing track to use live. 

I can say with confidence that if I can use PVR,,,, anybody can... Ayy sound I have in my head I can usually create with midi if I work at it. . 

You use drum replacer to create the midi data then drag the data to an empty midi track and treat it like any other drum data.  You don't want to use the supplied drum samples they are pretty bad.

Then you and get rid of the drum replacer track and the Regional crap.  point the track(s)  at  you favourite VST drummer and move on. 

1 hour ago, Pathfinder said:

This file was a type 0 midi file to start with. first thing I did was save it as a type 1. Maybe that screwed it up. Although it shouldn't. CW auto explodes type 0 midis upon opening.

Thanks for the help

Yes this might have caused an issue. As I remember a Type 0 file is the whole song in a combined track all channels mixed together,, very old sequence files...,, but you say when you open a type 0 file Cakewalk separates it into 1 channel per track??  

Type 1 files will open with each channel in it's own track which is more or less 99% of the files out there. 

I'm not sure that opening a type 0 and saving it as a type1 would  make a difference to editing however. 

But midi is midi and the Yamaha files should be 100% editable but be warned, Yamaha was the hold out and refused to use GM which was a Roland thing. So Yamaha sequences will use the Yamaha drum map. 

Once midi data is inside Cakewalk it should all be the same,, there can be no copy protection of the data. 

And no you do not drag the notes up using the piano keys. You do as you say, use the piano to highlight the whole row. Once a note is highlighted it can be moved. If it's not highlighted it won't move. 

When you click a piano key to the left in PRV that selects all of that note though the whole song. This is desirable for moving notes from a downloaded file that is triggering the wrong sound in a kit. 

Individual Notes are moved by selecting them one at a time with the smart tool and drag whereevr,,, up down sideways. 

Groups of notes you can lasso with the smart tool and right click drag. 

Do you mean just re install the program or start over with a new system drive? 

Re installing software "clean" to a old system requires removing a lot of stuff and takes a bit of doing. All those nasty little registry entries and hidden folders and whatnot.

Starting fresh on a nice shiny brand new SSD C drive is sort of easier. 

I used to do this every 2 years in the old days but things seems to work better for longer now.  

Are you using the smart tool? 

My tutorial part II shows you how to edit in PVR

Wow that was my first official studio recorder. I actually made a lot of money with one. But that was because it was new, and I kept it very clean, demagnetized and all that stuff. I also used only one type of tape which I guess was TDK but not chrome. Chrome tape was known to trash the heads. 

The DBX noise reduction was the big issue, It made vocals sound phazy. I certainly would not every use that again. If for some weird reason you think it will sound better forget that myth. Sure a 1/2 tape running at 15ips sounds cool, but  anything done on a cassette?? waist of time. Now A Yamaha MD8 that sounds good!  

I recommend you try using a Wave editor for this sort of work. Wave editors are optimized for workflow when working with a stereo file. 

I have been using Wave Lab for going on 14 years. Elements is only around $100 and is all you need. 

There are also a few good freebies. The best I've used is Acoustica Basic.  https://acondigital.com/products/acoustica-audio-editor/

I also use Gold Wave a lot especially for batch converting WAVE to MP3 files. Free to try, cheap to buy lifetime updates too. http://www.goldwave.ca/

With wave lab your task is as simple as drag the mouse across the dead space and hit delete. Done. It will automatically use zero crossing to join the material. 

You can also quickly do gain and normalizing or even apply a hi pass filter to a POPPed P

Best of all is for workflow is that all tools stay open while you work. Drag mouse, click,,, done. Way faster. 

I just finished a video tutorial I made for a friend so I'm just uploading to Youtube now. Will be here when finished  http://www.cactusmusic.ca/tutorial-videos

I get something like this too. I can log on on my iPhone,,  but not my iPad. It dead ends with a unresponsive page 

On my iPhone clicking the green bar opens the forum with me logged in,, On the iPad nothing happens. Tried 6 or so times. 

On 12/29/2018 at 6:01 PM, Starship Krupa said:

However, by the time he's finished with tracking, I come over to see how it's going and hit the spacebar to start the transport and it takes about 3 full seconds to start playback. Then once it gets going, it gets to the end of the loop and the playback engine drops out. I hit the spacebar again, and again 3 full seconds. Then at the end of the loop, down we go again. Every time. He has to mix the song restarting playback at the end of every loop.

This has me pondering how you were recording. Did you insert a dozen audio tracks and overdub new parts to each track, I don't follow this "looping" and mixing from the end of a clip at all?? Reason I mention this is possibly your doing something  weird that is making Cakewalk think too hard. 

Running 12 audio tracks side by side should not put a strain on any system for the last 10 years. 

Now if your trying to add 200 VST effects that's another story.  

If you are, what happens when you bypass the effects? 

Yes if you had said CbB was crashing I would not have answered the way I did.  I can only assume when someone say's Sonar that they are using Sonar. And yes it hard to get used to calling it Cakewalk after typing the word Sonar for the last 12 years or so.  That is why most of us have adopted using CbB as it's quicker to type. We used to always use Splat so people would see we were using Platinum and not Pro or Artist. Life is easier now with just having the one version. 

That is a common issue with controllers sending CC events. I had a old Roland that the joystick kinda crapped out and did that. VST's would play out of tune all the time. 

When people post with that issue first thing I say is unplug your controller and see if it goes away. 

Low Pass would be closer to the truth not Low Shelf.   A Low Shelf filter would actually reduce the amount of low end going to the sub. 

The EQ term shelf is when you reduce  all frequencies below or above a set threshold to a certain amount.  They are still there to what ever amount you have chosen but sitting  on a "shelf"  at a set level.  See diagram for a clear explaination.   

Pass filters   Low or Hi Pass which will totaly cut off with a sharp curve all frequancies below or above the threshold.  They are what would be used in a Crossover system And for a sub they would be lo passed  meaning only the low frequencies would PASS the crossover all hi frequencies are filtered out.  The Main speakers would then have the High Passed fequencies. 

It's very important if you work with audio and plan on using EQ to get this sorted out... 

The term Crossover is what is correct to use.   

The obvious solution is to update to CbB which for me stopped the random crashes I used to get with Splat. 

It is the #1 reason I was more than happy thet CbB came along when it did.  

Up until this time last year you could upgrade by using this 

From a Windows 7 or 8.1 device, go to the webpage entitled "Windows 10 free upgrade for customers who use assistive technologies." Click on theUpgrade now button. Run the executable file to install the upgrade.  But I tried it in Febuary and it didn't work. 

You can always ask by using the Chat feature. 

I was thinking about it for this Laptop someone gave me which originally had W8.0. I had to install my crack of W7 to get it working again,, original OS drive was pooched.   It certainly sucks to have to pay for something everyone else got free.