garybrun Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) I am working on a recording off my daughter and son who played at a wedding. (proud dad) But I can not seem to get the de-ess correct without taking away from the vocal. Here are two versions... a little dryer mix. http://www.garybrun.com/wedding/dry.wav Http://www.garybrun.com/wedding/remember.wav more ambiance. Thanks in advance people. New mix with peoples suggestions. Gary Edited December 9, 2019 by garybrun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sprouse Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 This was live? wow! proud dad fersure. Amazing voice. The mix sounds really good on my woofdales. Who wrote the song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martsave martin s Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 simply amazing......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornpdx Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Gary Well the vocal sounded pretty good to me. I have a couple of de-essers and I can never get them to work well for me. Sometimes I just split the waveform around the ess and reduce the volume. Kind of hit and miss though. Craig Anderton has written about vocal techniques. Here's one of them:https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/how-make-your-vocals-twice-good-part-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Bjorn, Martin and Gary have said it all. Really beautiful! If the "dry" version is not de-essed; Leave It Alone! If it is; Leave It Alone! Take a listen to some Carrie Underwood, there's plenty of "harsh esses" there. Again, simply gorgeous. Tom BTW, I get decent results with FAbFilter ProDS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, DeeringAmps said: Bjorn, Martin and Gary have said it all. Really beautiful! If the "dry" version is not de-essed; Leave It Alone! If it is; Leave It Alone! Take a listen to some Carrie Underwood, there's plenty of "harsh esses" there. Again, simply gorgeous. Tom BTW, I get decent results with FAbFilter ProDS. Thanks for that... I have de-essed both of the files the best I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhonoBrainer Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Welp, I don't think you have a deess problem, I think you have a midrange piano problem. You might volume automate the piano mids down when she is singing. That is a show stopping vocal. On the piano solo, you can hear the midrange problem, and is the piano compressed a fair bit? You might back off on that to keep the piano more dynamic. Killer diller!!! Great performance, and the sparse mix is a great choice here. cheers, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gswitz Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Loved it. Heard no issues. Well... During the piano only section in the middle it seemed a little hot to me. Maybe a touch of distortion? Edited December 9, 2019 by Gswitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Joad Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 sorry I'm on my wife's computer, wont open wav files.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 hours ago, emeraldsoul said: Welp, I don't think you have a deess problem, I think you have a midrange piano problem. You might volume automate the piano mids down when she is singing. That is a show stopping vocal. On the piano solo, you can hear the midrange problem, and is the piano compressed a fair bit? You might back off on that to keep the piano more dynamic. Killer diller!!! Great performance, and the sparse mix is a great choice here. cheers, -Tom Thanks a lot Tom. Will look at it again and check compression and post another for you evaluation. I must say I really appreciate this site and learn a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, emeraldsoul said: Welp, I don't think you have a deess problem, I think you have a midrange piano problem. You might volume automate the piano mids down when she is singing. That is a show stopping vocal. On the piano solo, you can hear the midrange problem, and is the piano compressed a fair bit? You might back off on that to keep the piano more dynamic. Killer diller!!! Great performance, and the sparse mix is a great choice here. cheers, -Tom I have tried to implement your suggestion Tom. Thoughts please? http://www.garybrun.com/wedding/em_modified.wav If anybody would like to have ago here are the original tracks with nothing added. http://www.garybrun.com/wedding/tracks.zip I find piano really hard to mix. Edited December 9, 2019 by garybrun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynn Wilson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Gary, you produce some of the most professional recordings around, and this is no exception. Not surprisingly, any of those 3 versions would stand and its own. If you hear a de-essing problem, you have better ears than me, however, reverb might tend to exaggerate a de-essing problem (if you can hear it). The good news is that talent apparently runs in your family, congratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Lynn said: Gary, you produce some of the most professional recordings around, and this is no exception. Not surprisingly, any of those 3 versions would stand and its own. If you hear a de-essing problem, you have better ears than me, however, reverb might tend to exaggerate a de-essing problem (if you can hear it). The good news is that talent apparently runs in your family, congratulations! HI Lynn. Thanks for taking the time to listen and for the extremely kind comments. If you look back on my work a few years ago the improvement has come with feedback from the good members of this forum, so those comments are high praise indeed. Most of my work has been in "live sound" so the crossover has not been that difficult. Once again thank you. For those who are just starting... there is a lot of information on here from good and talented people. Whom mean well and are willing to help you hone this amazing craft. I myself take all the criticism and suggestions I can take as too get better. I look forward to watching and hearing how we all develop. God Bless, Gary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl1968 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 wowzer Gary - you should be proud - lovely voice and playing. I agree with Tom, the piano is too hot (listening to dry mix). The mids are actually painful to listen to and completely eat up all the eq space. Try a big eq scoop and automating the volume on the louder sections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 hours ago, daryl1968 said: wowzer Gary - you should be proud - lovely voice and playing. I agree with Tom, the piano is too hot (listening to dry mix). The mids are actually painful to listen to and completely eat up all the eq space. Try a big eq scoop and automating the volume on the louder sections Thanks Daryl. How does it sound on the Soundcloud update at the bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl1968 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, garybrun said: Thanks Daryl. How does it sound on the Soundcloud update at the bottom? sorry mate, I missed the updated version - much better. I'll say it again, great vocal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB01 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Oh man, this is hairs on the back of the neck stuff. Gary that is a drop-dead gorgeous performance - I should think #ProudDad doesn't even come close to the emotions you must feel seeing your kids perform that live - I know I would be in pieces. I loved it: hot, cold, dry or wet - you can serve that to me any way you choose and you'll get no crits from me. However, do listen to the folks one here who - unlike me - actually know what they're talking about when it comes to mixing. FWIW I listened to the dry and the modified mix and the modd'ed one was definitely a little more balanced to my ears in terms of the ratio of piano to vocal. Beautiful stuff Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Andrew Ball said: Oh man, this is hairs on the back of the neck stuff. Gary that is a drop-dead gorgeous performance - I should think #ProudDad doesn't even come close to the emotions you must feel seeing your kids perform that live - I know I would be in pieces. I loved it: hot, cold, dry or wet - you can serve that to me any way you choose and you'll get no crits from me. However, do listen to the folks one here who - unlike me - actually know what they're talking about when it comes to mixing. FWIW I listened to the dry and the modified mix and the modd'ed one was definitely a little more balanced to my ears in terms of the ratio of piano to vocal. Beautiful stuff Andy Thanks Andy for the listen. I always take all of the advice on board and I am very appreciative of it too. I have learnt so much here over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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