Where should the plug-in for automatic pitch calibration be placed?

[happen135]

In order to deal with singers with poor intonation, I bought a low latency auto correction plug-in, so the problem is, I should put it in plug-in FX? Or in the new effect chain of prochannal? In order to reduce the workload of Melodyne, how can I get a relatively accurate audio waveform?

[OutrageProductions]

When that happens in my facility, I just hire different singers. 😁

[msmcleod]

Personally, I'd put it in the vocal track's FX bin, as the first effect - however that does depend on (a) what I'm using in the Pro Channel, and (b) whether I'm using the Pro Channel pre or post FX bin.

Typically I set my Pro Channel to be post (default is pre), as I tend to use the FX Bin for sound design and the Pro Channel for mixing.  

But basically, you want the pitch correction to come first in the chain, as you don't want it pitch-correcting any effects on top.

It sounds like you want to use this as a real-time effect while recording though...  real-time pitch based effects can be really off-putting for the singer, and may actually turn out worse.  By all means try it, but I suspect you'll get a better vocal take from an emotional/expression point of view than recording through pitch correction - i.e. disable the plugin during recording, then enable it for playback.  You may be able to tweak it using automation to bring it in/out at various points.

 

[happen135]

3 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Personally, I'd put it in the vocal track's FX bin, as the first effect - however that does depend on (a) what I'm using in the Pro Channel, and (b) whether I'm using the Pro Channel pre or post FX bin.

Typically I set my Pro Channel to be post (default is pre), as I tend to use the FX Bin for sound design and the Pro Channel for mixing.  

But basically, you want the pitch correction to come first in the chain, as you don't want it pitch-correcting any effects on top.

It sounds like you want to use this as a real-time effect while recording though...  real-time pitch based effects can be really off-putting for the singer, and may actually turn out worse.  By all means try it, but I suspect you'll get a better vocal take from an emotional/expression point of view than recording through pitch correction - i.e. disable the plugin during recording, then enable it for playback.  You may be able to tweak it using automation to bring it in/out at various points.

 

Thank you, Mr. MSMCLeod. That's right, I am trying to place the automatic pitch correction effect between the recording sound card input and Sonar, without considering the singer's feelings. I just want to reduce the workload of manual pitch correction in the later stage. As you said, the feasibility is not high，I rarely hear of anyone doing this。

[mettelus]

56 minutes ago, happen135 said:

I just want to reduce the workload of manual pitch correction in the later stage

I have rarely seen this effective unless the correction is minuscule. The "real-time" versions tend to add CPU overhead and miss the mark with corrections farily readily. If you need to do significant changes, this is better to do in post-production with Melodyne, either the whole track in one go with its macros, or surgically for specific issues.

Also bear in mind that if this is in an FX rack, it doesn't alter what was saved to disc (is simply processing that). You would need to bounce that FX to get the file corrected, unless you plan to run the FX forever (not recommended either).

Edited 4 hours ago by mettelus