Sonar 2025.09 Feedback

[George D]

Exactly like yours template. The same time/same settings, older Cakewalk shows 0%.

[Wookiee]

17 minutes ago, George D said:

Exactly like yours template. The same time/same settings, older Cakewalk shows 0%.

Can you share your system specs, I am using a tablet and Android doesn't share the signature. 

[George D]

50 minutes ago, Wookiee said:

Can you share your system specs, I am using a tablet and Android doesn't share the signature. 

AMD 3950x, 32gb ram, 2X NvME

[Wookiee]

2 hours ago, George D said:

AMD 3950x, 32gb ram, 2X NvME

And the audio device? 

[George D]

20 hours ago, Wookiee said:

And the audio device? 

Usb - Antelope Discrete 8

[David Baay]

On 11/9/2025 at 10:27 AM, George D said:

The same time/same settings, older Cakewalk shows 0%.

In Sonar the plug-in-powered audio metronome causes a 3-4% Engine Load on my laptop. SONAR Platinum, which used a less 'critical' load-measurement algorithm, shows only a tenth of a percent. I don't have CbB on this machine to check. I believe it used the same performance measurement algorithm as Sonar so should show the same idle load with the audio metronome enabled. If not, this might be something the Bakers should invetigate. I'll check my other machines that do have CbB.

EDIT: I verified Sonar and CbB show roughly the same numbers on my desktop DAW:

Audio Processing: 0.1 to 0.2%

Engine Load : 1.5-2.5%

And Platinum only shows the Audio Processing measurement at about the same level. 

Switching the  Metronome to MIDI zeros the load in all of them.

Edited November 11 by David Baay

[George D]

19 hours ago, David Baay said:

In Sonar the plug-in-powered audio metronome causes a 3-4% Engine Load on my laptop. SONAR Platinum, which used a less 'critical' load-measurement algorithm, shows only a tenth of a percent. I don't have CbB on this machine to check. I believe it used the same performance measurement algorithm as Sonar so should show the same idle load with the audio metronome enabled. If not, this might be something the Bakers should invetigate. I'll check my other machines that do have CbB.

EDIT: I verified Sonar and CbB show roughly the same numbers on my desktop DAW:

Audio Processing: 0.1 to 0.2%

Engine Load : 1.5-2.5%

And Platinum only shows the Audio Processing measurement at about the same level. 

Switching the  Metronome to MIDI zeros the load in all of them.

In my case nothing is on.

[David Baay]

2 minutes ago, George D said:

In my case nothing is on.

You have Metronone set to Use MIDI? If it's set to Use Audio, the plugin that drives it will be active and using CPU.

[George D]

No. It's audio.

[David Baay]

7 hours ago, George D said:

No. It's audio.

So are you still questioning why you see a slight load? As I said, I see no difference in Audio Processing or Engine Load between CbB and Sonar, and Platinum only showed the lower Audio Processing number that you might be used to. It was never zero with the Audio Metronome enabled in any release.

[George D]

20 hours ago, David Baay said:

So are you still questioning why you see a slight load? As I said, I see no difference in Audio Processing or Engine Load between CbB and Sonar, and Platinum only showed the lower Audio Processing number that you might be used to. It was never zero with the Audio Metronome enabled in any release.

You didn't read my first post. Everything off. Zero meter on windows 10 but in windows 11 there is big activity.

At the same time Bandlab showed 0%  in win10 and now in win 11.

[Wookiee]

21 hours ago, George D said:

You didn't read my first post. Everything off. Zero meter on windows 10 but in windows 11 there is big activity.

At the same time Bandlab showed 0%  in win10 and now in win 11.

Would I be correct in saying you comparing two different machines?

Question have you checked what the Performance Module is showing, it can show three different types of activity.

See page 590 of the reference guide for more information about what the Performance Module is showing.

1. Audio Processing 

2. System performance, (that is global, not just the app)

3. Overall App Performance. 

[Jerry Gerber]

I'm having an issue with this release.  I am not 100% sure it's a bug but I've never seen this behavior before.  While composing and sequencing, one of the MIDI tracks, #14 out of 14 tracks, suddenly gets hidden.   I've never made a shortcut key to hide a track, if that's even possible.  

Is any one else seeing a track suddenly get hidden in track view?

I haven't yet become aware of the steps that have to happen before this occurs, however I'm paying attention to it.

Thanks,

Jerry

www.jerrygerber.com

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 08:08 AM by Jerry Gerber

[msmcleod]

6 hours ago, Jerry Gerber said:

I'm having an issue with this release.  I am not 100% sure it's a bug but I've never seen this behavior before.  While composing and sequencing, one of the MIDI tracks, #14 out of 14 tracks, suddenly gets hidden.   I've never made a shortcut key to hide a track, if that's even possible.  

Is any one else seeing a track suddenly get hidden in track view?

I haven't yet become aware of the steps that have to happen before this occurs, however I'm paying attention to it.

Thanks,

Jerry

www.jerrygerber.com

 

 

 

Open the Track Manager and check you've not got any hidden tracks.

It might be that you've saved a template with hidden tracks, and one a track with that trackId is created, its hidden status kicks in.

[David Baay]

On 11/13/2025 at 1:23 PM, George D said:

You didn't read my first post. Everything off. Zero meter on windows 10 but in windows 11 there is big activity.

At the same time Bandlab showed 0%  in win10 and now in win 11.

I did read it. I've now checked CbB on my  old laptop and my main desktop DAW. Both are Win11 but the desktop was only recently migrated from Win10 . CbB and Sonar's Performance Meters behave identically with a new Basic project on both machines with the Audio Metronome enabled - Audio Processing: 1-3%, Engine Load: 0.1-0.2%.  The only way to get 0% is to set the Metronome to MIDI

Bottom line: Pretty clearly something is configured differently in Sonar on your machine, possibly something not obvious like the ThreadSchedulingModel in Config File (AUDINI). There have been a couple other cases of CbB tweaks not working well in Sonar. If you made any changes the default config in Sonar as a matter of course without checking before and after results, you should start reverting them one by one and watch for changes.

[David Rubenstein]

Until recently, Cakewalk Sonar was able to import expression maps and translate them into articulation maps. I downloaded expression maps from this site:

https://o.steinberg.net/en/support/content_and_accessories/expression_maps_for_vst_expression.html

and put them into the Articulation Maps folder. 

But now, the import and translation into articulation maps no longer works. The "Import Articulation Maps" window comes up, I choose an expression map, the program "thinks" for a second, and then the same "Import Articulation Maps" window comes up again.

[Wookiee]

10 minutes ago, David Rubenstein said:

Until recently, Cakewalk Sonar was able to import expression maps and translate them into articulation maps. I downloaded expression maps from this site:

https://o.steinberg.net/en/support/content_and_accessories/expression_maps_for_vst_expression.html

and put them into the Articulation Maps folder. 

But now, the import and translation into articulation maps no longer works. The "Import Articulation Maps" window comes up, I choose an expression map, the program "thinks" for a second, and then the same "Import Articulation Maps" window comes up again.

Have you reported it? Have you tried a different expression map, to test to see if it just one affected? 

[David Rubenstein]

31 minutes ago, Wookiee said:

Have you reported it? Have you tried a different expression map, to test to see if it just one affected? 

I have tried a number of expression maps. I cannot import any of them.

I do not know how to "report" this problem, other than to mention it here in this forum.

[Promidi]

1 hour ago, David Rubenstein said:

Until recently, Cakewalk Sonar was able to import expression maps

I just tried the Garritan expression maps from the link you provided and these imported fine.

I also ust tried theEWQL Hollywood Brass,  these also imported fine.

Not long ago, I have also imported others from that web site and they have also imported fine.

So, on a properly configured Sonar and Windows, the import expression map functions is working.

I am going to assume that you have extracted the *.expressionmap files and not just tried to import the zip files.

Can you list an exact step by step list of how you are going about importing Cubase expression maps.

[Jerry Gerber]

On 11/16/2025 at 6:35 AM, msmcleod said:

Open the Track Manager and check you've not got any hidden tracks.

It might be that you've saved a template with hidden tracks, and one a track with that trackId is created, its hidden status kicks in.

Yep, thanks, you're right, there was a template with the hidden track.  I assumed because the workspace I saved had no hidden tracks, that the file itself wouldn't be hiding any...