BUGS! Not retaining my preferences

[Michael Heavner]

V 2025.08 (Build 035, X64)

 

Not retaining my preferences.

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Edited Sunday at 09:00 PM by Michael Heavner
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[Noel Borthwick]

@Michael Heavner Its clearly noted that the record settings are per project settings. Changing it in the preferences will have no permanent effect unless you save your project. In your video you cancelled the save so of course it will not retain any changes you made.
This is not a bug - its how the application is designed to work. 

[Michael Heavner]

45 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Its clearly noted that the record settings are per project settings. Changing it in the preferences will have no permanent effect unless you save your project. In your video you cancelled the save so of course it will not retain any changes you made.
This is not a bug - its how the application is designed to work. 

Cakewalk, Sonar, Sonar Platinum, and Cakewalk by Bandlab have always saved those preference settings. If your save theory were true, then my saved template you saw in the video would reflect the saved preferences, yes? I  appreciate your reply and help. And my apologies for cross-posting, Sir. Your topic was titled" Sonar 2025.08 Feedback," and that would be me. Respectfully, ~Michael Heavner

 

Edited Sunday at 11:53 PM by Michael Heavner

[Noel Borthwick]

It's not a theory , all our applications work identically with project settings. You have to save the project file for the setting to be saved as part of the project or template. This is why its listed in preferences under "Project".
You can read this in the help here.
 

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Note: Sonar saves the recording options you choose with each project, so you can save a different recording mode with each of your projects.

[Michael Heavner]

Then look at the video I just uploaded. I am only trying to help and receive help. I just wanted to let you know that I am not looking to argue. I have used Cakewalk since 1989. I believe I know a thing or two about your DAW.

[Greg Wynn]

2 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

@Michael Heavner Its clearly noted that the record settings are per project settings. Changing it in the preferences will have no permanent effect unless you save your project. In your video you cancelled the save so of course it will not retain any changes you made.
This is not a bug - its how the application is designed to work. 

Yep. And it’s been like that forever.  How do I know ? Because it used to drive me crazy until it became muscle memory to change it early in the project or use one of my templates that I’ve made. 
 

 

 

 

[Michael Heavner]

@Greg Wynn then a saved template would reflect the preferences, which I have done.

[Greg Wynn]

34 minutes ago, Michael Heavner said:

@Greg Wynn then a saved template would reflect the preferences, which I have done.

Pretty sure that is true.  Let me verify later on my own system and I’ll report here.

[David Baay]

20 hours ago, Michael Heavner said:

If your save theory were true, then my saved template you saw in the video would reflect the saved preferences, yes?

No, because you're trying save from a project file to an existing template.

Starting a new project from a template and attempting to save over an existing template file will not save the changes; you have to save it as a new template with a new name.

If you want to modify an existing template, you need to open the .CWT file directly by browsing to it, make the change and save it.

Quirky, yes, but it's always worked this way.

 

 

[Noel Borthwick]

I had no problems saving a template with modified record settings. On starting a project from the template the modified record settings were intact. 

[David Baay]

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

I had no problems saving a template with modified record settings.

But did you open the .CWT file directly to edit it or did you create a new project from the template then try to Save as type: Template with the original template name?

The latter approach will not work unless you use a new template name.

[Noel Borthwick]

I created a project from a template, then changed record mode and then saved as the identical template name.
On creating a project from that the record mode is retained just fine.

[David Baay]

33 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

I created a project from a template, then changed record mode and then saved as the identical template name.

Hmmm... I have verified that it doesn't work for me, and it came up not too long ago in another thread where I recall at least one other long-term user confirming you need to open the template file directly to have changes over-write successfully (unfortunately I can't immediately find that thread or others I recall coming up in the past). Could it be an O/S-specific issue with file permissions or paths?  I'll do some more testing on different machines and post exact steps and conditions to reproduce it unless I find I'm mistaken somehow... always a possibility.  

 

 

[Xoo]

There is a bug where a saved template file gets saved in the wrong location so re-opening the template from the template folder (or File->New) doesn't work, but you can save over an existing template by forcing Sonar to do so.

[Will.]

21 minutes ago, Xoo said:

There is a bug where a saved template file gets saved in the wrong location so re-opening the template from the template folder (or File->New) doesn't work, but you can save over an existing template by forcing Sonar to do so.

There's no bug.

You need to choose "Template" in both the SAVE AS TYPE and in the one below that reads GO TO FOLDER path location. 

[David Baay]

47 minutes ago, Xoo said:

There is a bug where a saved template file gets saved in the wrong location

@Noel Borthwick This reminded me what the underlying problem is. The key to reproducing this issue is changing Save as type: to Template while the Save As dialog has the Projects directory open before navigating to the Project Templates directory.

When you change the file type, the Projects directory somehow gets invisibly set as the target path for the save, and that path persists even when you subsequently navigate to the Project Templates directory and select the existing file. The giveaway is that you won't be prompted to confirm replacing the existing file unless you've already done it once so there's already a copy of the template file in the Projects directory.

I'm pretty sure I reported this issue formally at some point.

[Canopus]

53 minutes ago, Xoo said:

This reminded me what the underlying problem is. There is a bug where a saved template file gets saved in the wrong location so re-opening the template from the template folder (or File->New) doesn't work, but you can save over an existing template by forcing Sonar to do so.

When you change the file type, the Projects directory somehow gets invisibly set as the target path for the save, and that path persists even when you subsequently navigate to the Project Templates directory and select the existing file. The giveaway is that you won't be prompted to confirm replacing the existing file unless you've already done it once so there's already a copy of the template file in the Projects directory.

I'm pretty sure I reported this issue formally at some point.

I can confirm that. I have also written a formal bug report concerning this issue, in the beginning of June if I'm not mistaken. 

 

[David Baay]

One way to avoid this issue is simply to specify your Projects directory as the path for Project Templates so you're already in the right directory when you Save As from a project. I might actually just do that going forward to save the extra browsing; I don't use a lot of different templates so clutter is not an issue.

[Xoo]

You can also click the template file explicitly to save.

[Michael Heavner]

Thank you, everyone! I appreciate your looking. I did, of course, overwrite the Basic template, which did solve almost all the "new" issues I was having.

@David Baay, 100% to saving in the correct folder;-) Which I did...

@Noel Borthwick, my apologies if I offended you in any way 🫱. I RARELY get on the forums and did not mean to cross-post. Or question your experience, no disrespect was intended.

There are only two things that are not saving (so far) in my template, which have to do with: All, Custom, Mix, FX, and the IO dialogue box, which comes up blank, regardless of the settings. However, you can still click to reveal my favorite "All".  I always need to see my MIDI track options: input and output, channel, bank, and patches.

And, the ruler: I seldom use the H:M:S:F: ruler. I removed the H:M:S:F ruler from my saved template, but it reappears every time.

Lastly, if you guys see a thread regarding the Contour's Shuttle Pro V2, I have resolved that issue. It was not a Cakewalk issue at all. The Contour Shuttle Pro V2 is a 100%  must-have for me. I am happy to share the Contour Shuttle Pro V2 configuration, along with the two additional files required, or provide help in getting it to work as intended.

Thanks again to all.

Most Respectfully,

~Michael Heavner