Put a guitar solo of '80 years "on time" with metronome is possible?

[giant ll]

Hi all. I have a question.

I'm trying to approach the guitar solo of a song "Beat It" Michael Jackson.

The solo is from Van Halen. 

I would like to quantize the solo and i'm not sure if is necessary also for backing track with a metronome speed.

I would like to ear all "perfectly on time".

It would be necessary to study well some "licks" because they are rhytmically complex.. and withouth a metronome sincronization make it a bit more difficult.

How could i work on it, on Bandlab or Sonar? at the moment i have both.

Could anybody help me?

I have separate tracks

1)drum

2)bass

3)voice

4)guitar backing track and solo together

 

I also tried to separate backing for solo in guitar.. but moises withouth paying doesn't permit me. So .. i have all guitars in one track.

Edited Friday at 11:40 AM by giant ll

[Bass Guitar]

This works on most songs that have a steady beat. 

Separate song into stems using Next or Audacity. 

Now drag the drum track to the timeline of Sonar and the Melodyne dialogue will open. 
Choose auto or percussive 

This will automatically create a tempo map. 
You can also do this directly in Melodyne stand alone and export the tempo map as a midi file. 

To have measures line up

Turn on Ripple edit and turn off snap to grid. 
Drag all the tracks until the downbeat is on the start of  measure 2 or 3. 
 

I have done this dozens of times with rock cover songs. 
The metronome should now follow the song. 
 

Stem separation AI has not really gotten sophisticated enough to extract individual parts. 

The solo you are after probably has easily available tab or notation available. Possibly even videos of how to play it. I’d tend to start there first. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:37 PM by Bass Guitar

[giant ll]

20 hours ago, Bass Guitar said:

 

Now drag the drum track to the timeline of Sonar and the Melodyne dialogue will open. 
Choose auto or percussive 

This will automatically create a tempo map. 
You can also do this directly in Melodyne stand alone and export the tempo map as a midi file. 
 

 

Hi. I have only the free version of Sonar and Melodyne. Can i make this or it ask me to activate Melodyne?

[giant ll]

20 hours ago, Bass Guitar said:

Stem separation AI has not really gotten sophisticated enough to extract individual parts. 
 

 

Yes. I've separated all except rhythm from solo guitar at the moment.

[giant ll]

21 hours ago, Bass Guitar said:

The solo you are after probably has easily available tab or notation available. Possibly even videos of how to play it. I’d tend to start there first. 

 

The problem is this:

1)there is a part with harmonycs and whammy bar and yes.. i've found it by ear.

2)there is a second part with tapping, here starts.. the problems. I've found different Youtube video tutorial.. but they don't satisfy me, in the sense:

They don't play the part slowly and after put the speed up. I've analyzed different tabs.

 

Everyone write the part in a different way! Lol! Who write quintuplets--- who write sextuplets.. who write seven-- plets... in the same part.

I think there is lot of counfusion in who try to approach this solo.

 

One point for example is the first tapping.
It give perception of " out" because he plays movements(geometrically) of 5 notes.. 15(T) 14 12 10 14 with 6 or more notes per "beat" in a point (beat immaginary i mean). The "tapped" accent moves continuosly...

 

Who try to approach often loose the accent. I think it's a reason because some of them can't play it slowly. They make the easier work.. just tell the notes.. Slowly they play notes in 4.. everytime with same accent... on 1... and after make the cover fastly. I think it's not the better way.

 

The next part.. same problem.

I would like to approach this solo understanding before what he make, and making slowly. After put up the metronome..

 

That's one of the reasons because i'm trying to quantize a bit the song.

 

They just show the notes.. the picking positions.. the licks..

I can find the notes by myself. Is the "timing" part of the secret of this solo i think.. nobody of Youtube Video Lessons i've found analyze it.

That's what  i think.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by giant ll

[mettelus]

2 hours ago, giant ll said:

They don't play the part slowly and after put the speed up. I've analyzed different tabs.

A different approach to what you are doing (learning the solo):

1. You can download videos (or extract the audio from one) with 4K Video Downloader (FREE version, or similar).
2. Using a video player like VLC Media Player (also free), you can adjust playback speed (Playback->Speed->Option of your choice). While this doesn't allow for fine-tune dialing in of a speed, it is usable.
3. With audio only, RiffStation can still be downloaded (link is in the OP, that was unlocked for everyone when they discontinued development), and it not only has fine tuning with speed, but also an audio microscope on the one tab to allow you to zero in on the frequencies you want to hear (so separating stems is rarely necessary).

A couple additional notes... tabs are not always accurate... I had someone playing Def Leppard's "Rocket" once and asked what they were doing... "The tab has pulloffs in it!"... "Um, those notes ring, so they are not pulloffs... adjust those first two notes up a string and try it." Lightbulb moment for them. Especially on slow speed you can hear nuances in performances... let your ears and fingers guide you.

Also... a video of the performance is prefered for slowing down... Orianthi has a nice one done adhoc in a radio station that shows her playing well. She was slated to play guitar for Michael Jackson's final tour (but didn't because he died), and he always commented on her playing that particular solo.

Edited 3 hours ago by mettelus

[Bass Guitar]

3 hours ago, giant ll said:

Hi. I have only the free version of Sonar and Melodyne. Can i make this or it ask me to activate Melodyne?

Melodyne basic version always worked to extract a tempo in Sonar going way back to X3 I think. 

Melodyne has always require you create an account even for the free version that is included with most Daw's these days. Small inconvenience. 

That will get your foot in the door and upgrades are dirt cheap, especially on black Friday. 

Melodyne is possibly one of the most important tools you'll ever own. People think it's just for vocal pitch correction. It does WAY more than that.