This is why I despise key bindings…HELP

[David Rossi]

So I majorly effed up one of my projects and I’m looking for some solid suggestions on how to fix this efficiently.  

I somehow “inserted” what amounts to be about 72 ms of silence in the middle of my song.  It was definitely a fat finger on my keyboard.  It split then nudged all my existing audio over by that amount and there is a big empty gap where there used to be audio .  The issue is it falls around the time of a lot of fall stops so it isn’t very apparent until you turn on the click and realize everything after that point is skewed.  To make matters worse it has been there for at least the last few save iterations that span a few weeks. 
 

To make matters worse, I recorded quote few vocal tracks with said time slip that exists.  Not over this part mind you, but definitely after it.  
 

If anyone has any workflow suggestions, I’d take them, as this seems like it’s going to be a complete mess to fix.  

Project has 53 active tracks with many take lanes active in each one, using the newest version of Sonar.

Edited Wednesday at 01:30 PM by David Rossi

[msmcleod]

Have you got ripple edit on?  If you'd shown more of your screen we'd be able to tell!

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

Hmmm..... I mean several ideas spring to mind.  Make a copy of the project is the first thing I would do so you can experiment.

1. Turn off snap and Nudge or Drag the tracks back to where they should be manually ( use the 1 key on the key pad for the smallest nudge )

2. Delete the track to the right of the the split, then select all the remaining tracks and grab the right hand edge of the clips. Slide the mouse over to extend the clips back to their original length 

3. Right click each clip that's in the wrong spot and use " Revert to original Time Stamp"

Those are three approaches that spring to mind, I'm sure there are other ways someone will chime in with.

Edited Wednesday at 01:52 PM by Mark Morgon-Shaw

[David Rossi]

I’m not even sure what ripple edit is but here’s a screen shot…

30 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

Have you got ripple edit on?  If you'd shown more of your screen we'd be able to tell!

 

[msmcleod]

OK - ripple edit is off.

There are four things I can think of that would do this:

1. You created an arranger section and moved it.
2. You made a selection and nudged it using keypad 5.
3. Somehow you invoked Project->Insert Time.
4. Assuming the clips were separate before,  and they were set to absolute time, the tempo changed.

[EDIT] - ahh... just re-read... you say there's a gap where there used to be audio... that would imply you made a selection and pressed delete or Del, or CTRL + X

[David Baay]

38 minutes ago, David Rossi said:

I’m not even sure what ripple edit is

It's the control at the upper right corner of the Track View that currently says "Off", so that's probably not the cause, and might actully be the solution.

If you enable Ripple Edit - All, closing the gap on any clip/track will automatically close the others, keeping all automation, tempo changes, etc in sync with the move.

But do it on a copy of the project as suggested, and be sure to disable it after the project is fixed so you don't get in more trouble!

[David Rossi]

36 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

OK - ripple edit is off.

There are four things I can think of that would do this:

1. You created an arranger section and moved it.
2. You made a selection and nudged it using keypad 5.
3. Somehow you invoked Project->Insert Time.
4. Assuming the clips were separate before,  and they were set to absolute time, the tempo changed.

[EDIT] - ahh... just re-read... you say there's a gap where there used to be audio... that would imply you made a selection and pressed delete or Del, or CTRL + X

Ok, so the reason I don’t think I just deleted audio is because the click track is now off after this point.  Deleting the audio would be fine because then I could just slip edit the portion needed back.  This actually moved the timing of it all…😩

[David Rossi]

37 minutes ago, David Baay said:

It's the control at the upper right corner of the Track View that currently says "Off", so that's probably not the cause, and might actully be the solution.

If you enable Ripple Edit - All, closing the gap on any clip/track will automatically close the others, keeping all automation, tempo changes, etc in sync with the move.

But do it on a copy of the project as suggested, and be sure to disable it after the project is fixed so you don't get in more trouble!

Ok, gonna read up on ripple edit and see if this could be a solution.  Thanks so much …

[David Rossi]

1 hour ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

Hmmm..... I mean several ideas spring to mind.  Make a copy of the project is the first thing I would do so you can experiment.

1. Turn off snap and Nudge or Drag the tracks back to where they should be manually ( use the 1 key on the key pad for the smallest nudge )

2. Delete the track to the right of the the split, then select all the remaining tracks and grab the right hand edge of the clips. Slide the mouse over to extend the clips back to their original length 

3. Right click each clip that's in the wrong spot and use " Revert to original Time Stamp"

Those are three approaches that spring to mind, I'm sure there are other ways someone will chime in with.

Number 2 actually sounds like a really good option and not one I thought of!!!

[sjoens]

Won't work in this case, but for future reference when you see something went wrong:

Start hitting Ctrl+Z until it's reversed.

If you made changes/edits after noticing it, save a copy of the project to retain those changes and then start hitting Ctrl+Z.  Then you can migrate things like recorded tracks from the copied project back into the fixed one.

Edited 13 hours ago by sjoens